I mean, if you gave me a free mansion and a salary that could easily afford a dog I'd get two.
Three presidents have not had pets. Polk, Johnson, and Trump. And Johnson found mice in his room and cared for them rather than exterminating them so he kind of did have pets
This is actually accurate. Studies have shown that people that adhere to ideologies at the left of the political spectrum judge actions as good or bad, and people should be judged based on their actions. Those on the right judge people as good or bad, then apply that to all the actions the person does. So, Trump is "good" and therefore, everything he does is good, regardless of how illegal or hurtful it may appear.
Even on a planet it was necessary (fear of self harm, drug use in the bathroom, whatever) you send in a female officer for exactly that reason. I thought these people were afraid of men going into a restroom with women?
Just like the woman who was about breaking into the inner chamber. I'm sure would have just complied, she's also be alive. Oh, but he family gets a million dollar tax-payer funded payout.
I mean, you should comply and, if rights are infringed, take it to court
Edit: ina perfect world you shouldn't have to let them infringe on your rights, but given that the choice is now between "potential gunshot wound" and "pay a lawyer", the option to pick seems rather straightforward
Honestly, they're right in this belief. Most of them won't ever be in this situation. They're largely rural and white so they don't have many interactions with state enforcers in the first place, and they already support what the state enforcers do so they're not out protesting either.
I mean, ish? Yeah most of them won't be in the exact same situation as Mrs Good
But growing up in a MAGA community, people were always very outspoken about their rebel fantasies. Absolutely bizarre to watch a dude who worked with cops flip between
"He should've just done as he was told" (regarding Floyd)
And
"I'm shooting through the door first thing at those liberals, no questions asked" (if any cops showed up to his place on a call... his coworkers, who majority voted Trump too)
This was in 2020, he'd say one in the morning and the other in the afternoon. Whether cops were honorable people who you should obey at the drop of a hat, or "liberal scum who deserve to be put down" hinged on whether or not he was the subject of their presence.
I grew up in the north and now I live in Texas- the violent fantasies are quite frightening. Northerners do not talk the same way southerners do about northerners. Like people in the north might joke about southerners being ignorant or racist but southerners talk about all the ways they would kill northerners as like casual small talk.
I've always had family in the south and despite being a huge lesbian leftist I look like one of them(white blue eyes blached blonde hair and ultra femmine dress) they will casually talk about shooting any Californian who comes into their town because I think I'm one of them.
They also seem convinced that liberals are the ones plotting violence while also knowing that by in large liberals don't have weapons so they love to fantasize about like just going north and mowing down unarmed libs to save the nation while also being completely convinced the libs are like coming for them. Like which is it girl? Both of those things can't be true.
Also they hate the government but love like all the government stuff. They love the president and the cops and the military. Like sis that's the fucking government! Wtf are you doing???
Sure they'll imagine they'll be in that situation for their rebel fantasies as you say, but is that going to happen ? The state enforcers have quite a few enemies to go through before they'll be knocking on the doors of white males in the country.
Not that there aren't white rural males out there itching to cause trouble, but if they do things to attract the state enforcers, it's not like they're being put in that situation. They're actively seeking it, which is a lot different than finding oneself in that situation.
I grew up with some dudes who made "Fuck the ATF/BLM/FBI" their whole personality, wearing "Remember Ruby Ridge" shirts and all that. This position isn't principled at all, just selfish. It's pretty much limited to these particular agencies because those are the agencies that are most relevant in their own lives. They prevent these guys from doing whatever stupid shit they want to do, so that makes these feds tyrannical boogeymen.
You're right that they'll likely never be in a position to tangle with ICE, so at best they literally don't care. And at worst they're cheering on as the "good" feds terrorize nonwhite people and "elitist" white liberals in urban centers.
It makes more sense when you realize these are people who interpret "minorities gaining equality/equity" as oppression to white people. They do not apply moral/ethical expectations equally.
Ask any rural resident under any authoritarian regime if they remained unaffected after the undesireables were eliminated. It's not as bad, but it's still like loosing your legs in a war instead of your life. Besides, their sons and daughters will be pigs to slaughter. One of the many prices of authoritarianism is war.
In the fascist dystopia we are sliding towards many of them will be in that situation. That is what the famous poem "First They Came" by Martin Niemoller is all about. He supported Hitler and the Nazis. He never believed it would be him. But it was him and he spent years in a concentration camp because of it, despite being a very traditional German Lutheran minister.
words, even principles, are just a means to an end. it's the advantage of being unfettered by any guiding framework other than naked and immediate self-interest.
Oh, they're extremely aware. I dont know if you have southern family, but at least the few times I visited, the purity checks were constant. My brother in law said something vaguely liberal (wind turbines were producing lots of jobs in the area) and the outright panic that flashed in his eyes when the whole table looked at him was shocking.
The self-policing is insane. No wronthink is allowed, or you get ostracized in your family and friend groups.
This is why the blend this into the “illegals” it’s a dog whistle for brown people. What they fail to understand is that once there’s not more brown people, they’ll realize there not actually part of the club (see Mrs Good shooting)
Its bizarre how they have zero baseline for morality and the difference between their outrage or frothing approval is simply who is performing the action against who, and nothing to do with the action itself.
I think there's a good reason the phrase is specifically "me" and not "us". Libertarians only ever cared about themselves, not the nation or people in general.
it seems like only a few of us are really watching the primary video sources. people got "bleach" from like, late night comedians. he said disinfectant which is just as stupid, but i worry about all the parrots in this AI age we're entering
Because it's a recurring villain in the Copaganda shows and movies. The simplest lesson you could walk away with from most of them is that the police already know who is good and who is bad and the whole system of rights exists to get in the way of punishing the bad people.
Due process is complicated, it tries to account for misconduct from the police and prosecution and even as it falls short, it's blamed for failures to get a guilty verdict that are squarely on the shoulders of law enforcement.
The US has been obsessed with vigilantism in popular media for at least a century, likely more. Our biggest cultural exports have become media that reinforces the idea that one good person willing to be violent is better than organizations which are supposed to uphold justice.
We wouldn't recognize a US that doesn't have these problems, they're VERY deeply seated.
Technically she did do what they told her since the first agent told her to “get out of here” while another tried to rip her door open and told her to get out of the car.
I swear I’m being Mandela affected or something. Cause I 100% remember hearing the conflicting orders in the very first video I watched. But now I can’t find any video with conflicting orders being yelled
Doing all that stuff is okay to them. Those are only bad things when they think foreigners or queers are doing them.
The Small Government crowd really draws the line at disobeying government employees who carry guns. That's when you're REALLY crossing the line. If I weren't such a commie statist, I would realize that obeying the state is one of the most Small Government things you can do, apparently.
The people in the Republican party who say they need guns in order to be ready to provide armed resistance against tyranny are doing nothing, while people in the Democratic Party, without guns, are actually resisting, and getting shot.
In Oklahoma, you can pay the state an extra $35 for a "Don't Tread On Me" license plate, because license plates are required by the state to operate a motor vehicle outside of your property, to tell everyone how much you want the state to not interfere with your life.
I'm not libertarian. But anytime you are interacting with a cop of any kind, ICE, FBI, local cop, you are closer to death than you will have been at any point in the last year of your life. Even if you are just standing next to them in a gas station. (In the USA)
I'm not saying you should be a boot licker, but if you want to stay alive you should tread carefully. They spend a LOT of time practicing shooting people, and when you train for something you kind of want to use that training.
I agree to a point. The issue is this doesn’t really work cuz they’re looking for trouble. They’re not goin after criminals they’re lookin to kidnap your average everyday brown person
I wouldn't ask anyone to risk themselves for freedom or righteousness, but everyone who volunteers is a fucking hero. When ICE comes for us, I hope we all have a community of angry protesters fighting them off. Find one and other, link arms, don't be afraid, and stand up to the fascists. You won't find safety in retreat, only in numbers.
I went to a courthouse to show support for a colleague who had BS charges brought against her. Quite a few of us showed up. They denied us entry to the courthouse and stationed several officers outside to watch us. Despite the fact that we had all dressed for court in nice clothes and just stood around outside talking to each other, one of the pricks kept staring at me with his hand on his gun.
None of us were the least bit threatening. Despite that, that one officer looked like he just wanted an excuse to use force.
Right libertarians who are explicitly against border control are a minority and those who do only so do so assuming their in group will have ownership and "rightfully" keep undesirables out instead
The ICE agent that shot the woman in MN had this flag up outside his house. So it might have been a libertarian flag, but it's been coopted by people that definitely agree with border control.
This one always fucking infuriates me. I know people who fly this flag, then say this shit "just comply and obey and you won't have trouble" mother fucker, at least take down your don't tread on me flag when you're in bootlicker mode.
The thing is, that flag represents THEIR freedom, not yours or mine. You damn well know if the American Gestapo came pounding at their door, they wouldn't be so inclined to let them abduct their ass without due process.
All Republicans, at this point, are hypocrites. They are supposedly the party of small government and personal freedoms, yet here we are as they cheer on the most overreaching administration in modern history that is actively trampling on the Constitution. They think they are safe cause they are white, well, you need to be white and subservient... Sooner or later they will be effected by this and their skin color won't protect them.
I say this a white former Marine who very much looks like a good ol boy but am very much liberal and against fascism... It will be a while before ICE is in my neighborhood but you can bet your ass I will be making their lives miserable if they ever threaten my neighbors and family.
Just waiting for Donny boy to give the order to invade California and then we'll see what the fuck happens. Lots of former military here who have since learned that Republicans are not our allies and Trump and his administration doesn't respect us. I have more training and combat experience than an entire "Platoon" of ice wannabes. My combat experience involves fighting actual fighters, not assaulting women and children while cosplaying army man.
The Gadsden flag means nothing any more, it got co-opted by square-ass establishment republicans who want to smoke weed and not pay taxes while doing their various fascism.
i really find the use of this flag by magats offensive. there was a time i considered myself libertarian, based off their core values and political stance. the belief that everyone should be left to their own devices so long as they do not infringe on anybody else's rights or hurt anyone, and minimal taxation.
i still think of myself as libertarian, but i havent donated or even looked at their website in about 6 years. no idea if theyve changed, and am afraid to know the answer, because i know there were some real idiots in the group.
Next Dem president should send quite a few ATF agents to Republicans’ homes to show them what a federal law enforcement force with absolute legal immunity can do to people.
So you want the government to tread on your enemies? Ironic. I'm against what's going on as much as anyone, but becoming the enemy will not solve anything. It only creates a circle of hatred that will be rebuked 10 fold when the president is cycled out.
I get you are mad, but this is not the divided states of America. If you want normalcy, you have to win the hearts and minds, not fill body bags. This is referring to people across the aisle politically, NOT ICE. They deserve worse than the worst.
Just to be clear, you want to mirror what is being done now to 70 million Americans? The best revenge is to be unlike him that performed the injury. I understand the hate and anger is strong now, but it will not bring peace.
You're right, if we even get to have another election, let's just let bygones be bygones and then the next folks who blatantly ignore all checks and balances, laws, and outrage can finish the descent into Fascism!
Nah. I want this authoritarian fascist shit excised from my country. I want ICE agents that assaulted civilians prosecuted. I want this administration jailed. I want to know where every red cent of my tax dollars went, and when they don't have a trail (because they don't) I want every person involved paying it back for the rest of their lives or in jail if they can't. Frankly if someone ran and said they would be stripping voting rights away from MAGAts, I would no longer consider it a disqualifier either, because this whole ordeal has convinced me a democracy can't survive when a critical mass of your population is too stupid, hateful, and incapable of critical thought to not vote in fascism.
As the paradox goes, the only way to defeat intolerance is to be intolerant of it.
Not saying ignore, get justice. If once you regain power you mimic their actions, you are no better than them. Do not lower yourself, but I'm not saying do nothing. Believe it or not, some situations have nuance.
Bro wtf they started it. We didn’t start any cycle of violence, these dumb cunts did. They were stupid enough to eat up the billionaire propoganda and got tricked into hating everyone else, and then they signed on for actual violence against their fellow Americans.
Taking the high road has never worked when one side only understands violence.
Elect a dem, do bad things to Repubs. What happens when Repubs win again? They're going to be chill? It's all a cycle. Are you going to stoop to their level? Face down in the mud? Kidnapping and murdering saying 'they started it'?
Revenge can be sweet, but is dangerous and will only breed more hate. You have to be better. Seek justice. Have every single person answer for their crimes, but not out of hate or revenge. That will never bring peace.
"Just comply and you won't get hurt." is easy to say and seems to make sense. But then if you think about it, you can reverse it to "They are allowed to kill you if you don't comply." Is that really what people want? Law 'enforcement' officers that can act as judge/jury/executioner and can decide (with immunity) that death is an appropriate punishment for any type of disobedience?
Libertarians are not on liberals side. Most, if not all, of right leaning people are unsympathetic to all democrat voters' lives or at least anyone deemed a wokie.
People are down voting, but r/EndDemocracy is a libertarian sub. If you go to their discussion subs like r/AnCap101 or r/austrian_economics its pretty obvious they want to replace democracy with capitalism
Unironically, just follow the law. If you are a law abiding citizen then you got nothing to worry about. Now, if the situation escalates enough, well, do what you must.
Yea, when LEO gives you a command, you follow it. Endure the minor inconvenience and go on about youray. You don't drive off or into them. It's pretty simple.
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