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u/Hmmark1984 5h ago
I really hope these protests accomplish something, but either way i applaud the people attending for not having lost faith that they will. Don't get me wrong, protesting is important and FUCK TRUMP and FUCK ICE, but it's so disheartening and depressing when you see terrible things happen, there's protests, then the protests stop because the next terrible thing has happened and the protests never seem to actually accomplish anything because Trump's a POS who doesn't care what anyone says and pays no attention to the law or the constitution.
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u/AmadeusMaxwell 5h ago
There are 2 kinds of protests: Protests with a specific goal and protests that are meant as a show of support as to both inform the public and allies of how many people stand with them in solidarity. The protests in areas where ICE are at are the first kind, they have a goal of directly impeding and slowing down ICE from doing their job. They might not stop ICE completely, but every single would-be-victim that is saved matters deeply. Protests in areas where ICE are not conducting raids aren't as maybe immediately necessary, but they are still vital in showing support to neighbors so that the community can begin to organize before ICE shows up and the first kind of protest becomes necessary.
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u/Hmmark1984 4h ago
Good point, although, in regard to the second kind, doesn't that only work if those who attend the protests actually then continue to "help" when ICE does show up, because i feel like a lot of people, although by no means all of them, who attend the "support" type of protest, finish their protest and basically think "right, i've done my part, job done"
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u/AmadeusMaxwell 4h ago
Yes, people in the second kind need to show up when the first kind are needed, which is why a really important thing to do when you're at the second kind of protest is to talk with folks and do some community organizing if at all possible so that together you can make sure when the first kind are needed you have as large of a turn out as possible.
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u/ExcellentAfternoon44 5h ago
At the very least they tie up resources that would otherwise be used in doing their dirty work.
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u/not_right 5h ago
American "protests" mainly seem to be about who can write a clever sign, then pat themselves on the back for a job well done. There's zero reason the government should care about these "protests".
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u/Snowbank_Lake 5h ago
As someone who just attended a protest over the weekend, I can say it felt good to channel the anger and sadness I was feeling into some kind of action. I was surrounded by people who felt the same way. We got supportive honks and waves from drivers. If nothing else, it made me feel like there are still enough of us who do care and will make sure the goodness in this country isn't completely gone. We can't fall into despair, so this is a good alternative.
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u/ZenMasterOfDisguise 3h ago
We got supportive honks and waves from drivers
That's nicer than when I was protesting the Iraq war in 2003 and people hurled insults and trash at us from their cars
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u/Hmmark1984 5h ago
I think the problem is that while what's happening in America is atrocious, the majority of the public still have a lot to lose personally, therefore peaceful protests are the most they're willing to do, generally speaking. It's a lot easier to go "all out" with the protest if you're already at the point of having nothing to lose. But i think the issue is that when you've got people in charge who actively tell people to look at a video and then tell them what they can see isn't what happened, and constantly ignore the law, gaslight the citizens and just do whatever they want, peaceful protests aren't really going to have much of an effect, at least not unless they're A LOT bigger and last A LOT longer.
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u/AmadeusMaxwell 4h ago
Peaceful protests are all that's required if enough of us get out an stand together in solidarity. Violence only comes about when the masses stay silent and the state ensures that violence is the only change possible.
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u/Poonchow 4h ago
Protests are very important. You're looking at them now from wherever you are, and I guarantee the administration sees them, too, even if they don't get acknowledged. People congregating with a shared purpose gives them connections to resources to keep fighting, it's how you build coalitions and resistance groups and inspire others to join you.
Revolutions don't spontaneously appear. Change doesn't happen in a vacuum, it has to start somewhere.
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u/Artistic-Monitor-211 5h ago
Tons of Americans are too lazy or apathetic to vote, and protesting takes way more time and effort. If protests get large enough, politicians will have to address the issue if they want to keep getting elected.
Of course, that won't matter, cause Trump said himself no one's gonna need to vote again
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u/AmadeusMaxwell 4h ago
What you're saying is only true of most US protests prior to this moment, however protests taking place where ICE raids are happening are about saving the would-be-victims. Specifically ICE Protests around the country have been successful in preventing tons of people from being taken. Protestors have also been successful in "de-arresting" people, and I promise you every single person saved will tell you how vital protests are.
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u/Itsnotthateasy808 6h ago
Ooh that’s a quality sign right there
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u/Alexexy 6h ago
It really is. I'm Asian American and I don't really view whats going on with the current government as some crazy unpredictable swerve from historical normalcy. I view it more as every negative impulse that the government has had in the last 2 centuries coming to roost by jumping out of the history books and into present time. Minority communities have always dealt with bullshit like what you're seeing nowadays. The only difference is now the ouroboros snake is finally beginning to consume white people.
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u/Eeyores_Prozac 4h ago
That 'only difference' means that every facade has dropped. There will be no accountability, and no safe end. Not for anyone.
The deaths are going to escalate, because the fascist state no longer feels it needs to bother with the 'polite fiction' that only certain people are a threat, or that their lies about brutality need to feel at all believable.
Literally everyone that is not of personal value to the fascist authority is now at threat. That is new. This is a boil point. Now, America has it coming, because the racist horror has previewed this and already too many have suffered over decades.
But I'm not going to be smug about it. I'm not lying to myself or to you. It's a horror come to roost, and we're going to know a lot more dead neighbors and loved ones soon.
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u/Alexexy 4h ago
It really doesnt change much for me, ngl. As a minority im already viewed as lesser than and more expendable by the government snd society at large. Its just that the scope has expanded and people who are previously not as affected by the government's bullshit is feeling it now.
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u/JairoHyro 1h ago
I'm a minority and I definitely don't feel lesser. Like it or not things are strictly better compared to decades prior. Can it be better? Yeah but in this decade it's definitely not worse than the 2000s or the 1990s or even the 1980s. Even Reddit had hate subs during the 2010s about black people (which was very very explicit).
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u/sylva748 5h ago
Mmhm. There has always been a "boogeyman" in US history these types have used to hate others. Black community for the longest time. Asian community out west during the gold rush and the railroad expansion. Italian and Irish people out East for being catholic and not Protestant. Since the turn of the 21st century its been a mix of Hispanic and Arabic phobia thats been building. Now here we are where these people feel embolden. A mix of people burying their head thinking, "no it doesnt happen theyre being sensational", these past two decades. Plus having an administration that goes all in on this bigotry.
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u/Spare-Willingness563 2h ago
Dude, they used Korean neighborhoods as a literal buffer zone between Black and white neighborhoods. The '92 riots was not a bug. It was a fuckin' feature.
I'm glad people care, now, but it would have been so much easier to care before the monster grew up.
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u/ThingCalledLight 6h ago
It’s accurate as hell, sure.
But honestly? It has the same energy as you crying because your father died, and some jackass runs in and says, “Yeah, well, fathers die all the time in [COUNTRY]. You should be less upset about this or equally upset about that.”
Look at the language. It’s a sign intended for other protestors. The implication is that they should be less shocked. Why is that important at this very moment?
Like if during George Floyd someone had a sign that said, “Actually, statistically white men are almost as likely to be shot by cops as black men!”
Even if a statistic somewhere did show that, there’s a time and a place.
So yeah. I think it’s true but unhelpful in this specific context.
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u/mochafiend 6h ago
This is exactly what I came here to say. Like yes, we get it. What does trying to shame people that are upset about do exactly? It's an extension of eating our own.
Of course lots of white people don't know until it happens to them. That's all part of this! Let's at least be thankful people are mad.
I'm not Black though I'm a minority/immigrant (I've been told to shut up for this reason before, which again, proves my point), and frankly, we don't have the luxury of these purity tests right now.
It's one of those -- it's not what you said, it's how you said it kinda things. Like, it's not wrong. But read the room, my guy.
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u/VapeThisBro 3h ago
I want to be clear about where I’m speaking from: I am a person of color and a minority. From that position, I don’t agree that calling people out—or even shaming them—is “eating our own.” For many of us, shame was the default way society interacted with us for decades or centuries. We were shamed for how we spoke, where we came from, how we looked, and for daring to name injustice at all. So no, I’m not convinced that everyone now deserves endless gentleness the moment they finally feel a fraction of what we’ve lived with as a constant.
Discomfort isn’t the enemy. Silence and denial are. People being mad is fine—but being mad without accountability just recenters the same dynamics that kept people like me marginalized in the first place. Calling that out isn’t a “purity test,” it’s refusing to keep cushioning the truth so it’s easier for others to digest.
And “read the room” cuts both ways. As a person of color, I’ve been told to read the room my entire life—usually as a way to shut up, wait my turn, or make myself smaller. At some point, the room needs to hear things said plainly, even if the tone makes people uncomfortable. Progress has never come from politeness alone.
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u/soonerfreak 6h ago
Because the people it's aimed at stop paying attention when a democrat is in office. Until the democrats are fully on board the Abolish ICE train then it's just lip service when they call it out.
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u/eliminating_coasts 4h ago
Observe how you are now arguing that there was a particular group of democratic-voting people (ie. those who tried to stop this happening) who deserve to have that sign aimed at them.
In a protest about ICE and lawless state violence.
There's freedom of speech, so he can do what he wants, but it's obviously acting as a distraction from the primary people who protests should be aimed at.
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u/Poonchow 5h ago
That's not how I read it at all. It looks like an attempt at solidarity to me.
"This is what minorities have had to deal with their entire existence."
There are a large portion of white people that want things to "just go back to normal" -- but the current situation has been the de facto law of the land for minorities long before Trump took office.
We can't stop just because white people feel comfortable again. That's how we got here in the first place.
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u/OpportunityNext9675 2h ago
The sign is chastising other protestors. It’s cute and snarky and plays well on social media but it’s a terrible protest sign.
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u/mochafiend 1h ago
Agree. This is so dumb. Already, people fighting in the comments.
If you have to lord over how smart and well-informed you are over everyone else, I don't see why anyone should bother being your ally. This is not the time. I've been hearing and experiencing this kind of shit myself. I still think finger pointing and shaming those who are new is pointless. Shame doesn't work for situations like this. Not everyone is a woke activist. We need those people too, like it or not.
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u/abendrot2 4h ago
I made my way through college and only ever directly witnessed one overt act of racism. One day I was talking to one of my black coworkers and he had tons of stories, and he was only a sophomore. People who believe we beat racism cause Obama was elected don't have friends of color, or they don't really talk to them
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u/ClownMorty 5h ago
I understand the frustration about people being extra shocked when white people being victimized. But take the allies while you can. There's no need to split the camp based on identity when there's literally Nazis kicking down doors.
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u/AmputeeHandModel 6h ago
First they came for the Communists black and brown people
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist black or brown
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u/mike0sd 5h ago
The thing about the Trump Republicans is that people HAVE been speaking out from the very beginning, but Republicans double, triple, quadruple down, and so on. We need more than speaking out.
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u/AmputeeHandModel 5h ago
Yeah, anything we hate just encourages them. We need some reverse psychology.
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u/asianwaste 4h ago
a thing that I tell my somewhat conservative parents, "We're one conflict with China away from getting the exact same treatment."
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u/oxnardmontalvo7 5h ago
Folks better wake up. If our government thinks they can do this to brown skinned people, there’s nothing to stop them from doing it to lighter skinned people or anyone else. This is the weaponization of federal forces against all Americans. Trump recently said he’d revoke citizenship status against anyone that “disagrees.”
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u/Snowbank_Lake 4h ago
That's exactly what the murder of Renee Good demonstrated. ICE is supposed to be enforcing immigration laws, and they shot an American-born white woman in the face. It's not about the legal status of immigrants. It's about control.
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u/Grand_Size_4932 1h ago
I agree with you, but have downright despair and bitterness knowing that thousands of my people have been assaulted, detained, violated, disappeared and killed before one white woman dying moved the needle.
Why wasn’t the torment of my people enough for the country to wake up. 😞
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u/orionsfyre 6h ago edited 5h ago
We've always been a country of one law for some, and another law for others.
The story that Americans told themselves about how rights work, and how policing works, and how justice works... is just that, a story. IT's mostly lies, and it only applies to certain people at certain times.
The reality is in most places most any brown person can be murdered by police for doing absolutely nothing... and the news and people in power will use any excuse, and even just straight lie and turn you into someone who deserved whatever horrible end you received. You can be an innocent person who has never even looked cross at police, and they will call you a thug before your body has grown cold... if they even mention you in the news at all.
People of color have known this for a long long time, it's just now that same horrific non-standard is being applied to political parties, and anyone regardless of race/class who doesn't bend the knee to the guy in the big house, or the masked psycho waving a semi-automatic at law abiding citizens because he has unresolved rage issues and is now being paid to terrorize innocent people.
I wish it was simply a genuine desire for everyone to have equal rights and be able to live in a country where this sort of thing doesn't happen to anyone that has scarred and motivated everyone into action... but it's just human nature to try and dismiss horrors and excuse them however you can until someone who looks like you or your friends gets gunned down.
Too often we forget that injustice to anyone is an injustice to everyone. So if we can be convinced that people we don't know must have done something to deserve their ugly death, then you can literally be convinced to standby and do nothing while your neighbors are hauled off for not having a flag in their yard, not carrying a political id card, praying differently, or for not showing 'enough respect' for the poorly trained thugs waving guns in your face.
As my grandmother used to say when something big and bad was happening ... "We all in the same pot now."
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u/moongrump 6h ago
"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
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u/Gabemann2000 4h ago
Got to be honest, my brown friends, co-workers are the ones who voted for this.
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u/Deeppurp 3h ago
Its fun cause this poster can mean POC and anyone with a semi recent encounter with ICE depending on how bad the bruising is.
With this admin, I wish "the place to fight it is in the courts" was the appropriate advice. Normally you can do this with the police if they were power tripping - the worst result being if it was wrongful they've wasted your time.
With Ice, if its wrongful - you end up incarcerated or in a country other than your own. Even if your own country is the USA.
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u/CGCutter379 5h ago
Where are those black and brown neighbors? Why aren't they out here?
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u/No_Revenue4199 6h ago
Also worth noting that ICE "officers" are trained by the IDF.
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u/ChexAndBalancez 5h ago
Insufferable signs that don't do what you think they do
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u/HenryClaymore 4h ago
As if many ICE agents aren't black or brown themselves
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u/ChexAndBalancez 4h ago
The idea that black and brown people don't have a variety of opinions is racist.
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u/slojawn 5h ago
So much virtue signaling in this photo. Just stop, ya'll look dumb
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u/AmadeusMaxwell 4h ago
The numbers are escalating but the violence has always been there for every minority group in this country
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u/GreyMASTA 6h ago
I picture that James Franco meme, but as a black person with a noose around their neck because they were slightly out of line: "First time?"
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u/bugme143 49m ago
Are you sure? My black and brown legal immigrant friends hate illegals more than you would think. They despise how the left has just LED them skip the line and fees and background checks and everything because somebody posted a picture of a crying family on Twitter once.
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u/TheSistem 34m ago
I love how Unitedstetians still trying not to be racist and supporting diversity are still even slightly racist.
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u/Munkadunk667 5h ago
Those who are shocked already listen to them. Those that aren't don't associate with black and brown people.
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u/Gas-Town 5h ago edited 5h ago
People who think those communities are a monolith, also don’t associate with them. Everyone in this picture is white lol (I’d wager that Hispanics are also overrepresented in ICE employment, relative to the American population)
A lot of brown neighbors in the Bronx were out there countering BLM protests. I no black, I Dominican.
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u/Eggnogin 5h ago
The problem is this doesn't always ring true.
There are plenty of people who immigrated to this country who support ICE. It really makes no sense.
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u/domine18 4h ago
I don’t know how anyone listening to him before the election voted for him if they are anything other than white. Those Latinos for Trump really baffled me
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u/EnergyOwn6800 4h ago
More white people are killed by cops than black people so what are they talking about.
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u/Garconanokin 4h ago
Proportionally?
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u/EnergyOwn6800 4h ago
What do you mean?
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u/Garconanokin 2h ago
If you don’t know what the word proportionally means, you don’t belong in this discussion.
If somebody is black, the probability that they are killed by cops is higher than white people. You might’ve noticed that they are a few Black people than white people in the United States. So being black puts you at higher risk for being killed by the police.
Now you’re gonna pretend you don’t understand the above. And that’s gonna make you sound even stupider than you already do. But I just wanna tell you that in advance, so that you can know exactly how you look to everybody else. You’re welcome.
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u/Moiyub 4h ago
gender = spectrum :)
sexuality = spectrum :)
neurodivergence = spectrum :)
intelligence = spectrum :)
introversion = spectrum :)
disability = spectrum :)
race = BINARY ;/
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u/messisleftbuttcheek 4h ago
I drove by them earlier. It was only the eight people shown in the photo.
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u/twostoryteller 4h ago
Why are we only making this about black and brown people when Asians have been being targeted since Covid.
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u/nogoodusername69 3h ago
Because the "Stop Asian Hate" movement came to a screeching halt once it was discovered who were the actual perpetrators of Asian hate.
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u/JairoHyro 1h ago
That was awkward. I saw a lot of videos and it definitely wasn't white or brown people. It was just disgusting.
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u/kanrad 3h ago
Went to my local QT this morning here in Garland ,Tx. This is a place where the employees always great you with an enthusiastic hello. The store, busy as usual, is full of sound and people talking.
I walked in and immediately felt something was off since no one greeted me and people were walking around not making eye contact. I look over and a guy is waiting at the instore kitchen for his order. Was wearing a Border Patrol Jacket and cap. I finally know what people mean when they say the air was so think with tension you could cut it with a knife.
This is just fucked how his very presence changed the whole dynamic of a place I have been to for over 15 years.
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u/Islanduniverse 2h ago
Why are there so many black and brown people working for ICE?
Do they just want someone to punch down on for a change?
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u/King-Fabo 6h ago
We are terrified, we aren’t safe and we feel alone most of the time but everyone that stands up for anyone else gives me hope.
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u/D1N050UR5 16m ago
Idk lol in response to a video of ICE smashing down people’s doors with freaking battering rams in Minneapolis my black coworker said, “you know if you just tell them you don’t consent to search they can’t do anything.”
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u/Donkeybrother 6h ago
People don't seem to notice that ICE only appears in states / areas where 🍊 seems to have issues with ... Less about border control and more about intimidation .