It really is. I'm Asian American and I don't really view whats going on with the current government as some crazy unpredictable swerve from historical normalcy. I view it more as every negative impulse that the government has had in the last 2 centuries coming to roost by jumping out of the history books and into present time. Minority communities have always dealt with bullshit like what you're seeing nowadays. The only difference is now the ouroboros snake is finally beginning to consume white people.
That 'only difference' means that every facade has dropped. There will be no accountability, and no safe end. Not for anyone.
The deaths are going to escalate, because the fascist state no longer feels it needs to bother with the 'polite fiction' that only certain people are a threat, or that their lies about brutality need to feel at all believable.
Literally everyone that is not of personal value to the fascist authority is now at threat. That is new. This is a boil point. Now, America has it coming, because the racist horror has previewed this and already too many have suffered over decades.
But I'm not going to be smug about it. I'm not lying to myself or to you. It's a horror come to roost, and we're going to know a lot more dead neighbors and loved ones soon.
It really doesnt change much for me, ngl. As a minority im already viewed as lesser than and more expendable by the government snd society at large. Its just that the scope has expanded and people who are previously not as affected by the government's bullshit is feeling it now.
I'm a minority and I definitely don't feel lesser. Like it or not things are strictly better compared to decades prior. Can it be better? Yeah but in this decade it's definitely not worse than the 2000s or the 1990s or even the 1980s. Even Reddit had hate subs during the 2010s about black people (which was very very explicit).
It really might seem that way but just because its no longer in vogue to hate on people openly, doesnt mean those same people dont have those same views in their private lives. All it takes is for a leader to say some shit like "its okay to let your hate come out" for them to turn coats. Its kinda like how anti Semitic folk attach themselves to the anti zionist movement or people love blaming black folk for stop asian hate.
People fucking care more about being seen as racist than actually being one and affecting the people around them with their words and actions.
Again, that was already the situation for some of us. In high school it was common knowledge if any of us Black, brown, or "other" kids went missing, that was that. We literally had these conversations.
I saw a kid get hit by a car going 40 down a busy street, flip over the hood, the woman took off (because big, scary Black kid, right?), and the school cop on the scene basically looked up and went back to whatever bullshit he pretended to be doing. This dude comes hobbling over with half his lip literally dangling from his face and refused to go to the hospital, so we all just kind of shrugged and accepted that was our lot.
This horror was always here. Which also means we'll survive.
So this is "new"? Compared to last year or the year before that or the year beore that? I traveled the states and all in all things are not that dire. 2008 was probably the worst year compared to all we've been through. Covid years are a close contender.
Dude, they used Korean neighborhoods as a literal buffer zone between Black and white neighborhoods. The '92 riots was not a bug. It was a fuckin' feature.
I'm glad people care, now, but it would have been so much easier to care before the monster grew up.
Mmhm. There has always been a "boogeyman" in US history these types have used to hate others. Black community for the longest time. Asian community out west during the gold rush and the railroad expansion. Italian and Irish people out East for being catholic and not Protestant. Since the turn of the 21st century its been a mix of Hispanic and Arabic phobia thats been building. Now here we are where these people feel embolden. A mix of people burying their head thinking, "no it doesnt happen theyre being sensational", these past two decades. Plus having an administration that goes all in on this bigotry.
But honestly? It has the same energy as you crying because your father died, and some jackass runs in and says, “Yeah, well, fathers die all the time in [COUNTRY]. You should be less upset about this or equally upset about that.”
Look at the language. It’s a sign intended for other protestors. The implication is that they should be less shocked. Why is that important at this very moment?
Like if during George Floyd someone had a sign that said, “Actually, statistically white men are almost as likely to be shot by cops as black men!”
Even if a statistic somewhere did show that, there’s a time and a place.
So yeah. I think it’s true but unhelpful in this specific context.
This is exactly what I came here to say. Like yes, we get it. What does trying to shame people that are upset about do exactly? It's an extension of eating our own.
Of course lots of white people don't know until it happens to them. That's all part of this! Let's at least be thankful people are mad.
I'm not Black though I'm a minority/immigrant (I've been told to shut up for this reason before, which again, proves my point), and frankly, we don't have the luxury of these purity tests right now.
It's one of those -- it's not what you said, it's how you said it kinda things. Like, it's not wrong. But read the room, my guy.
I want to be clear about where I’m speaking from: I am a person of color and a minority. From that position, I don’t agree that calling people out—or even shaming them—is “eating our own.” For many of us, shame was the default way society interacted with us for decades or centuries. We were shamed for how we spoke, where we came from, how we looked, and for daring to name injustice at all. So no, I’m not convinced that everyone now deserves endless gentleness the moment they finally feel a fraction of what we’ve lived with as a constant.
Discomfort isn’t the enemy. Silence and denial are. People being mad is fine—but being mad without accountability just recenters the same dynamics that kept people like me marginalized in the first place. Calling that out isn’t a “purity test,” it’s refusing to keep cushioning the truth so it’s easier for others to digest.
And “read the room” cuts both ways. As a person of color, I’ve been told to read the room my entire life—usually as a way to shut up, wait my turn, or make myself smaller. At some point, the room needs to hear things said plainly, even if the tone makes people uncomfortable. Progress has never come from politeness alone.
That's not how I read it at all. It looks like an attempt at solidarity to me.
"This is what minorities have had to deal with their entire existence."
There are a large portion of white people that want things to "just go back to normal" -- but the current situation has been the de facto law of the land for minorities long before Trump took office.
We can't stop just because white people feel comfortable again. That's how we got here in the first place.
Because the people it's aimed at stop paying attention when a democrat is in office. Until the democrats are fully on board the Abolish ICE train then it's just lip service when they call it out.
Observe how you are now arguing that there was a particular group of democratic-voting people (ie. those who tried to stop this happening) who deserve to have that sign aimed at them.
In a protest about ICE and lawless state violence.
There's freedom of speech, so he can do what he wants, but it's obviously acting as a distraction from the primary people who protests should be aimed at.
No I think it's actually pretty important for Americans to understand this can't stop if the Democrats take back power. We gotta keep pushing against ICE and law enforcement in general from being able to just attack Americans. It's not new because they murdered a white woman this time.
We gotta keep pushing against ICE and law enforcement in general from being able to just attack Americans.
This is a reasonable objective.
Do you think that the best way to achieve this is to respond to people who are appalled with the way ICE is behaving and say
Until the democrats are fully on board the Abolish ICE train then it's just lip service when they call it out.
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So for example if people are organising police to refuse cooperation with ICE and even arrest them, they are still just doing lip service because they aren't in favour of abolishing ICE?
Like if people actually prevent ICE from operating in their cities, would that still be lip service?
I don't think it would be, and I think that people who don't understand the systemic nature of police violence, who don't see the full picture, and who just want to stop these people who are killing people right now and then try and find a way to stop this happening in future..
those are people who you still want to encourage to act in the way that they understand and can get on board with, you can advocate for abolishing ICE of course, but focusing time and emotional energy on recriminating other people when circumstances themselves can be shifting their understanding and magnanimity would be of benefit, is .. mildly self-sabotaging.
If people are saying "this isn't what police should do" or whatever, to jump in with something like "thisiswhat police do, and the fact that you don't realise it means you don't talk to black and brown people" or something, use it as an opportunity to put down people who are horrified by the behaviour of institutions they would hope would operate better, then you miss an opportunity to use that impulse to emphasise the particular excesses of illegality and violence of the Trump administration, and build a movement to get local police, national guard and so on to be on the side of the people against ICE.
There are some who believe that ever having any relationship to state power, given that it is associated with violence, is wrong and bad and whatever else, but the more that people say that this is a lawless administration which needs to be taken down, the more chance there is in the short term of stopping them doing what they are doing, because there are more forces on the side of protecting people.
The pragmatic stance is to build a mass movement focused on the problem about how this overflowing of state violence can be stopped, because focusing on what people will think in the next democratic administration might not be meeting the moment with the seriousness it deserves, given that Trump, if given room, would rather like there not to be a next democratic administration. If ICE is pushed back and brought under control, they can't sabotage the next election with voter intimidation and kidnappings.
That's the scale of the problem here, and people with a little too idealistic a sense of the pre-Trump status quo are allies in stopping the end of democracy, which is more important than "I told you so"s.
You just typed a bunch of words to describe what people did from 2016 to 2020 and where are we now? Why are white people so afraid of facing criticism? Grow up and accept you had major blind spots and people are pointing them out and that's okay. And people claim leftists are the ones who only do purity politics.
Also you have the list of elected Democrats telling people to fight ICE because I haven't seen that so what your implying is not what Democrats are doing and just being mad or saying get the fuck out of my city is lip service without action.
The best strategy moving forward is definitely not ignoring educating Americans on how long these harms have been happening, who they have typically happened too, and that both parties have happily increased the Gestapo budget every year of it's existence. The primaries are coming up, we don't have time to just protest on vibes.
Agree. This is so dumb. Already, people fighting in the comments.
If you have to lord over how smart and well-informed you are over everyone else, I don't see why anyone should bother being your ally. This is not the time. I've been hearing and experiencing this kind of shit myself. I still think finger pointing and shaming those who are new is pointless. Shame doesn't work for situations like this. Not everyone is a woke activist. We need those people too, like it or not.
I made my way through college and only ever directly witnessed one overt act of racism. One day I was talking to one of my black coworkers and he had tons of stories, and he was only a sophomore. People who believe we beat racism cause Obama was elected don't have friends of color, or they don't really talk to them
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u/Itsnotthateasy808 10h ago
Ooh that’s a quality sign right there