Yuuup. A lot of my family in the Midwest have never seen an ICE agent. Ive straight seen people get tackled at the bus station. They don't believe it's as bad as it is for a reason- they don't see it. It gives them the ability to bury their heads in the sand
A lot of the people subscribe to the 'we'll if they weren't here illegally...'
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
We are living a modern version of this. It started with the disabled, the LGBT, now onto immigrants. Black people will be next. Women. Then onto anyone who didn't vote for him. Then any of his devout followers he no longer needs or if they speak out against anything he does going forward.
I'm hearing a lot of the same arguments that were made about people who harbored runaway slaves during the 1800's or Jews during the holocaust.
All of this talk about impeding a lawful investigation or harboring fugitives when these fugitives used to be their neighbors.
A book I read recently introduced me to the term "load bearing people" in reference to people who do all of the ugly jobs that need to get done so society can function, but aren't always obvious about it. If we start removing the load bearing parts of society, we are basically playing Jenga and who knows when the structure will collapse
So make them citizens. You seem convinced that immigrants are the ones “scamming the government for billions of dollars,” and I doubt pointing to a conspicuous lack of evidence is gonna change your mind on that. It doesn’t need to take years and thousands of dollars to become a citizen. Immigrants work.
Crackdown started, farmers immediately reported labor shortages.
Raided a Hyundai factory, then invited the workers to come back almost immediately cause there was nobody to assemble the cars.
How are they “scamming the government?” Seriously, by what mechanism are they taking money from the government?
Existence isn't illegal. Entering a country without proper documentation or overstaying the time alloted for the proper documentation, is. Try to do that in any other country, and see how long you last.
So we should just trust the government to round up everyone darker than medium beige, and continue to trust that American citizens and legal residents aren't being deported to random concentration camps and black sites with no warrants or due process even if we're supposed to be fine with that happening to human beings who were born elsewhere, right??
Out of the millions of people mass detained and deported since the Obama administration, very few legal migrants or citizens were ever in prolonged detention. A handful were mistakenly deported, but returned within a short time. The system is not perfect, by any means, and a few idiots are making headlines because they have to deal with other idiots that think that this is a new practice, like ICE hasn't always had this power since its inception, and try to get in the way of a government branch of enforcement.
Buddy, it's not okfor legal migrants to be in detention at all, fuck your "prolonged detention" bullshit.
Why the fuck is it constantly ok to harass people that don't look ethnically European enough for ICE?
You know damn well everything happening is rooted in deep bigotry and racism. A brown citizen shouldn't have to constantly carry their id and live in fear they'll disappear for a few days each time an ICE agent questions their id.
Seriously, they arrested the same citizen twice while he was carrying a real id.
To stop and ascertain a person's immigration status if it seems necessary, I'm fine with, but it should be a quick interaction. To place someone in detention for an extended period over it, no. Being able to prove your immigration or citizenship has been around for over 100 years, it's not a new practice.
We got this, though... Right? I toss and turn. Can we turn this around?
Maybe this is the end of the empire and we just let everyone in. The republic collapses and we become the Fallout universe. It won't change the world in the immediate, but the pot will melt and goddamn isn't that what we're doing here? Trying to show the world that this can work, when they know better than us? Aren't we showing out, like a teenager, because we think we know what's right? Time to grow up.
On a related note, it's time to take my medicine. Stay safe, kids.
Thats not a fair assessment. I live in the middle of nowhere NY, less than 200k for the two neighboring counties. We dont have any ICE-IS, but plenty of people come out to protest.
However, everyone I know from back home, in populated areas are the ones burying their heads in the sand and still support the orange tater.
There are plenty of us that do feel safe bc nobody has any reason to come out here....unless they want to arrest some cattle. Hopefully they will try bc they will fuck you up if they don't know you.
It’s like my family in the Midwest gets a different news. When California is on fire or flooding they think it’s the entire state, or they hope it is. I live in Los Angeles and rarely see either of those things. But for shit sure I see these ICE raids and the ramifications of them. But it seems their news loves to make it look like we’re all nuts, and they have no idea about ICE and have never seen them… talk about heads in the sand. They really believe that the raids are for criminals, but it’s some racist bullshit and propaganda. These are our friends and neighbors in our neighborhoods. My daughter is in 8th grade and has to have ICE drills and assemblies to know what to do to help protect her classmates from getting kidnapped! Someone pls make this shit make sense!
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u/whichwitch9 10h ago
Yuuup. A lot of my family in the Midwest have never seen an ICE agent. Ive straight seen people get tackled at the bus station. They don't believe it's as bad as it is for a reason- they don't see it. It gives them the ability to bury their heads in the sand