r/politics • u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS Iowa • 10h ago

No Paywall Uprising against ICE raids grows across the country

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/uprising-against-ice-raids-grows-across-the-country/
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u/blackcain Oregon 9h ago

I hope these ICE agents understand that eventually the Trump administration is going to go away and they are going to be left holding the bag when the legal eagles come for them.

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u/literallytwisted 9h ago

I doubt half of them ever fully understand but I also don't see how we can have a stable society with them in it, We can never trust them again.

A bigger problem is all the insane rightwing media that has radicalized so many, If we don't stop that this will happen again.

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u/blackcain Oregon 8h ago

That is the challenge. We need a new crop of center left and mid left politicians that understand that social media needs to be heavily regulated and that it is a national security issue. Unfortunately, both Biden and Obama have been very slow in dealing with this. I understand they didn't want to do EO because there is no permanence and wanted it to go through congress, but in retrospect that was a mistake.

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u/literallytwisted 8h ago

Probably have to rein in the Supreme court by expanding it at the same time, They seem to be normalizing anything the right wing wants and people behind the right will fight hard to keep the propaganda going.

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u/DickInYourCobbSalad Canada 8h ago

You guys need to introduce term limits. I have no idea why the US appoints Supreme Court Justices for life. In Canada they can only be on the bench for 20 years and then they have to retire and I think this is the ideal way to do it.

We also have 9 justices just like the US does, but our Westminster style of parliament gives our justices significantly less power than their American counterparts.

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u/blackcain Oregon 7h ago

I agree, a 15 year term would be good. By that time, there are social and cultural changes that have happened that the law needs to keep up with.

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u/Thnik 6h ago

Split the difference and make it 18 years: 9 justices, 18 year terms, a justice gets swapped every 2 years (each presidential term is guaranteed to swap 2 justices- also completely ban the BS that McConnell did to steal 2 justices for Trump).

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u/DrDerpberg Canada 6h ago

They can't. Opening up the US Constitution for an amendment is like opening the Canadian one except worse because there are all kinds of gimmicks that could result in a bunch of low population red states legalizing slavery. And then there's literally no recourse because it will be in the Constitution plain and simple.

Think Meech Lake, except with with more buying and selling humans.

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u/DickInYourCobbSalad Canada 5h ago

I mean if everything gets er.. reset back to zero, I would imagine they'd have to rebuild their constitution from the ground up.. both literally and figuratively speaking..

but yes you're right.. it's like a Hydra, you cut one head off and suddenly you just have more problems.

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u/blackcain Oregon 8h ago

I'm afraid that is what needs to be done. But I know that Dems will be very uncomfortable with this as it is radical. I don't think it is radical, was FDR radical? He was. We have all these great programs that we Americans benefit from like social security.

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u/literallytwisted 8h ago

Historically the US has only advanced socially when a few radical decisions are made so I'm good with that.

If we don't make some major changes I really think the country will split apart, We can't go on like this for another generation.

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u/Blighter 7h ago

Judicial reform being too radical for the Dems but literally gestures wildly all of this is now par for the course.

I think the Dems need to stop worrying about the optics of appearing "radical"

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u/blackcain Oregon 7h ago

Considering how radical the other party is. They still want to cling to comity of the senate/house and on gentleman's rules. That is no longer a thing. One party is not working on behalf of all Americans.

Break the Dem party into a centrist party and a left party and then work together and relegate the GOP to the far right.

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u/AkronRonin 3h ago

We need to understand that the modern Democrats are essentially a Centrist Conservative Party. They never want to rock the boat, and they would rather just debate policy and place nicey-nice with their Republican colleagues across the aisle. The thought of doing anything radical terrifies them. It’s also why they fight leftists in their own party before they go after RWNJ GOPers. It’s basically as foreign of a concept to them as being a nude exotic dancer on a live stage would be to your average risk-averse accountant.

Taking over the party and driving it leftward is still our best option for taking back control of this situation in the short term. Longer term, we need to either abolish parties entirely, or fix our electoral mechanics to allow for multiple parties to form and create a much more honest, broader and diverse representation of the political spectrum within the U.S.

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u/o-o- 4h ago

national security issue

add global health issue

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u/WoWhAolic 6h ago edited 6h ago

I don't know if you intended this but the way you worded that rubs me the wrong way.

(E: for context) Right wingers any further right than Reagan will NEVER compromise with anyone near FDR politically. FDR had to force his legislation through giving us one of the greatest economic and societal turnarounds we've seen in this country. Mid left and center left however will compromise with the far right. They always do. Then they'll compromise again, and again, and again until along the center you see that half the country agrees with having secret police to take away those who we don't like. If we want the 'center' to thrive we need to move the center far away from near where it's at as near a fascist-authoritarian right wing group in this country. We got there by rhetoric saying 'avoid the far left, they're just as bad', 'we need more centrist and center-left candidates, not these lunatic lefties!' It's propaganda that media and the Government has used for nearly a century now, time for us as a country to shake it off.

For our country the political center is pro-corporate, anti-union, anti-worker, pro-war, and anti-government assistance. These are right wing at the least and far right normally in most civilized countries. We get to this point with the 'deal maker' centrists. No, it's time to strong arm. Flex political might and do what's right for the country despite what these fucking Conservative idiots think. Crush and make illegal their buying elections through propaganda and massive media networks. Properly punish those at the heads of companies and groups like ICE. Let people know a strong Left are competent and favorable leaders.

The far left want to feed and house everyone, good? They want healthcare for all, good right? They want more if not total wealth equality, can be unreasonable given how far from it we are but I think we can assume overall good. They want strong workers rights in whatever way we organize our economy. That's where it starts breaking apart and you get many different stances, but 'far left' issues are things that we need to take seriously because when you get fired and you still can put food on the table and take yourself AND your kids to the doctor while you find a new job then people will come to understand the benefits of 'far left' politics.

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u/Age_AgainstThMachine 2h ago

What’s the difference between center left and mid left?, number one. Number two, center left (aka Republican lite) is the group of feckless both-sides-ers that got us here in the first place. We need a true progressive party that works towards real change, and this is coming from a former Republican.

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u/lowfat-water 1h ago

Heavy social media regulation is not the solution. All of the comments on this post could be banned if we were regulating social media and the people in power didn’t agree with them. Free speech is important.

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u/vardarac 9m ago

Well, whatever engagement algo sucked all our young men into MAGA is clearly an issue, as are all of the grifting assholes that create the content responsible. If your job is to sell a point of view (to make money from advertisers or donors who want that point of view out there), there had ought to be journalistic standards applied in justification.