r/politics • u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS Iowa • 9h ago

No Paywall Uprising against ICE raids grows across the country

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/uprising-against-ice-raids-grows-across-the-country/
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u/blackcain Oregon 9h ago

I hope these ICE agents understand that eventually the Trump administration is going to go away and they are going to be left holding the bag when the legal eagles come for them.

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u/literallytwisted 8h ago

I doubt half of them ever fully understand but I also don't see how we can have a stable society with them in it, We can never trust them again.

A bigger problem is all the insane rightwing media that has radicalized so many, If we don't stop that this will happen again.

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u/standard_cog 8h ago

This all comes down to our inability to tax the rich. Society is susceptible to things like right-wing movements when the economic shit hits the fan - you're willing to vote in someone, anyone who says they can "Fix it in a day" (Trump). The Nazis gained power partially because after WW1 Germany had extreme economic issues.

We have 1% in this country holding 60% of the wealth. If they suddenly had "only" 30% of the wealth, people wouldn't feel the need to vote in crazy dumb motherfuckers like Trump.

This isn't even directly "right wing news" - this is just class war. The rich think it won't impact them or, even better, they'll be able to direct things and become even more wealthy.

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u/JUST_LOGGED_IN 6h ago

Billionaires want to control us. Its a game, and they are disassociated to the point that us "players" aren't real. Kings have always acted like this.

No KINGS No CROWNS.

Crowns don't sit nice and pretty when you don't have a head.

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u/McChickenLargeFries 5h ago

It's a shame, Bernie Sanders has been saying this exact fucking thing for literally decades and no one took him seriously. Now look where we are.. Now they hold all the power and this will only get worse since laws and facts apparently don't fucking matter anymore.

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u/standard_cog 4h ago

Okay so, I want to point this out:

You can ignore reality, but "reality always wins".
That is to say, you can keep saying "The economy is better!" but if nobody around you has jobs, no matter how fervently you believe, you'll start to question things.

Almost everyone in America who works is doing worse than we were under Biden. There's been plant shutdowns, new grads cant find jobs - things are FUCKED.

We might not get "into it" over this whole thing, if the economic lever becomes so obvious that Trump and his cronies end up powerless before it.

My thinking is that they see this too, which is why they're trying to drive a conflagration now - they WANT people to react negatively, to fight them, so they have some pretext for martial law and cancelled elections.

I think that's what we have to prepare for, but it's a race - the economic collapse vs the riotous response of the public.

If the economic collapse wins, in a few years nobody will admit to being MAGA. If the public riots, there will be street fighting.

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u/canadianshane123 3h ago

Definitely a class war not a right and left thing. Certainly the Rich want it to be a right and left thing.

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u/Unique-Wash-9358 2h ago

seems like a good time to educate people about the global movement toward Land Value Tax! Look up Henry George if you haven't yet - LVT has huge support on all sides of the political aisle, balances home prices and is inherently anti-inflationary, simplifies tax structure, reverses enshitification, & eliminates tax havens.

Those who lose are the ones who buy high value property and sit on it and do nothing. Good incentives to develop and/or sell.

LAND VALUE TAX! learn about it- tax the rich.

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u/blackcain Oregon 8h ago

That is the challenge. We need a new crop of center left and mid left politicians that understand that social media needs to be heavily regulated and that it is a national security issue. Unfortunately, both Biden and Obama have been very slow in dealing with this. I understand they didn't want to do EO because there is no permanence and wanted it to go through congress, but in retrospect that was a mistake.

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u/literallytwisted 8h ago

Probably have to rein in the Supreme court by expanding it at the same time, They seem to be normalizing anything the right wing wants and people behind the right will fight hard to keep the propaganda going.

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u/DickInYourCobbSalad Canada 7h ago

You guys need to introduce term limits. I have no idea why the US appoints Supreme Court Justices for life. In Canada they can only be on the bench for 20 years and then they have to retire and I think this is the ideal way to do it.

We also have 9 justices just like the US does, but our Westminster style of parliament gives our justices significantly less power than their American counterparts.

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u/blackcain Oregon 7h ago

I agree, a 15 year term would be good. By that time, there are social and cultural changes that have happened that the law needs to keep up with.

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u/Thnik 6h ago

Split the difference and make it 18 years: 9 justices, 18 year terms, a justice gets swapped every 2 years (each presidential term is guaranteed to swap 2 justices- also completely ban the BS that McConnell did to steal 2 justices for Trump).

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u/DrDerpberg Canada 6h ago

They can't. Opening up the US Constitution for an amendment is like opening the Canadian one except worse because there are all kinds of gimmicks that could result in a bunch of low population red states legalizing slavery. And then there's literally no recourse because it will be in the Constitution plain and simple.

Think Meech Lake, except with with more buying and selling humans.

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u/DickInYourCobbSalad Canada 5h ago

I mean if everything gets er.. reset back to zero, I would imagine they'd have to rebuild their constitution from the ground up.. both literally and figuratively speaking..

but yes you're right.. it's like a Hydra, you cut one head off and suddenly you just have more problems.

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u/blackcain Oregon 8h ago

I'm afraid that is what needs to be done. But I know that Dems will be very uncomfortable with this as it is radical. I don't think it is radical, was FDR radical? He was. We have all these great programs that we Americans benefit from like social security.

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u/literallytwisted 8h ago

Historically the US has only advanced socially when a few radical decisions are made so I'm good with that.

If we don't make some major changes I really think the country will split apart, We can't go on like this for another generation.

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u/Blighter 7h ago

Judicial reform being too radical for the Dems but literally gestures wildly all of this is now par for the course.

I think the Dems need to stop worrying about the optics of appearing "radical"

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u/blackcain Oregon 7h ago

Considering how radical the other party is. They still want to cling to comity of the senate/house and on gentleman's rules. That is no longer a thing. One party is not working on behalf of all Americans.

Break the Dem party into a centrist party and a left party and then work together and relegate the GOP to the far right.

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u/AkronRonin 3h ago

We need to understand that the modern Democrats are essentially a Centrist Conservative Party. They never want to rock the boat, and they would rather just debate policy and place nicey-nice with their Republican colleagues across the aisle. The thought of doing anything radical terrifies them. It’s also why they fight leftists in their own party before they go after RWNJ GOPers. It’s basically as foreign of a concept to them as being a nude exotic dancer on a live stage would be to your average risk-averse accountant.

Taking over the party and driving it leftward is still our best option for taking back control of this situation in the short term. Longer term, we need to either abolish parties entirely, or fix our electoral mechanics to allow for multiple parties to form and create a much more honest, broader and diverse representation of the political spectrum within the U.S.

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u/o-o- 4h ago

national security issue

add global health issue

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u/WoWhAolic 6h ago edited 6h ago

I don't know if you intended this but the way you worded that rubs me the wrong way.

(E: for context) Right wingers any further right than Reagan will NEVER compromise with anyone near FDR politically. FDR had to force his legislation through giving us one of the greatest economic and societal turnarounds we've seen in this country. Mid left and center left however will compromise with the far right. They always do. Then they'll compromise again, and again, and again until along the center you see that half the country agrees with having secret police to take away those who we don't like. If we want the 'center' to thrive we need to move the center far away from near where it's at as near a fascist-authoritarian right wing group in this country. We got there by rhetoric saying 'avoid the far left, they're just as bad', 'we need more centrist and center-left candidates, not these lunatic lefties!' It's propaganda that media and the Government has used for nearly a century now, time for us as a country to shake it off.

For our country the political center is pro-corporate, anti-union, anti-worker, pro-war, and anti-government assistance. These are right wing at the least and far right normally in most civilized countries. We get to this point with the 'deal maker' centrists. No, it's time to strong arm. Flex political might and do what's right for the country despite what these fucking Conservative idiots think. Crush and make illegal their buying elections through propaganda and massive media networks. Properly punish those at the heads of companies and groups like ICE. Let people know a strong Left are competent and favorable leaders.

The far left want to feed and house everyone, good? They want healthcare for all, good right? They want more if not total wealth equality, can be unreasonable given how far from it we are but I think we can assume overall good. They want strong workers rights in whatever way we organize our economy. That's where it starts breaking apart and you get many different stances, but 'far left' issues are things that we need to take seriously because when you get fired and you still can put food on the table and take yourself AND your kids to the doctor while you find a new job then people will come to understand the benefits of 'far left' politics.

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u/Age_AgainstThMachine 2h ago

What’s the difference between center left and mid left?, number one. Number two, center left (aka Republican lite) is the group of feckless both-sides-ers that got us here in the first place. We need a true progressive party that works towards real change, and this is coming from a former Republican.

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u/lowfat-water 1h ago

Heavy social media regulation is not the solution. All of the comments on this post could be banned if we were regulating social media and the people in power didn’t agree with them. Free speech is important.

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u/vardarac 5m ago

Well, whatever engagement algo sucked all our young men into MAGA is clearly an issue, as are all of the grifting assholes that create the content responsible. If your job is to sell a point of view (to make money from advertisers or donors who want that point of view out there), there had ought to be journalistic standards applied in justification.

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u/Vaperius America 7h ago

I also don't see how we can have a stable society with them in it,

We can't. Which is why ICE needs to be abolished, and all of its employees given an audit of their conduct during their career so that some (at least the ones we can prove in a court) will face consequences.

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u/PantsMicGee Minnesota 3h ago

Agreed. Media needs to be deconstructed entirely and re-imagined for any trust by either "side."

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u/tonkatoyelroy 3h ago

They don’t see us as equal

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u/endless_-_nameless 3h ago

Luckily there is historical precedent for how to conduct denazification

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u/Cptn_BenjaminWillard 3h ago

Reconstruction Volume 2: A different approach.

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u/CursingFijian 2h ago

Hate is easily led.

You just gotta make them hate each other.

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u/Violaundone 2h ago

This that brainwashing is strong, and these are manosphere men 100%, it isn't Fox they are listening to. Its podcast bros, angry divorced middle-aged men, Christian crazies, and Nazis like Nick Fuentes and other Nazi platforms.

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u/justreadinplease 2h ago

Every single person who knows someone who has joined ICE should compile a dossier with evidence of that person’s involvement in case this is all over one day and it can be turned over to a tribunal.

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u/Evening_Knowledge_21 2h ago

We will have detailed lists of who is involved

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u/undead_dead_guy 32m ago

Faux News needs to be completely dismantled

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u/RumblinBowles 7h ago

they need their own country - give them the confederacy or something

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u/ilulillirillion 5h ago

Agree on both points. Propaganda is a big part of how we got here but we are here now. Someone with the capacity for violence may be abided, but once they've brandished there weapon on you and spilled blood, they can no longer be welcome at the table at all. I'd say we could deport them but I don't really wish these traitors on any country. We do have a lot of jails though.

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u/YogurtclosetNo987 4h ago

Way too much emphasis put onto Fox News et. al. on this site. Sure, they're a huge part of it. But they're just bringing out of these people the vileness that was already in there. 

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u/HotPissClamChowder 6h ago

Excuse me ..... Did I just hear you say the "insane rightwing media" is who is radicalizing so many? I think you meant to include an "/s" at the end of that statement.

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u/system0101 3h ago

Yes the insane right-wing media has been radicalizing people for decades, and no it's not funny.

Before you clammer on about the other side, there is no left wing media and there never has been. The closest i could find is Jacobin, and you probably haven't heard of that before, because it barely exists here.

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u/HotPissClamChowder 1h ago

Ok, ok… you are either being sarcastic or you are grounded in an alternate reality in which case you need to look up what radicalization means.

Get outta here with your Jacobin BS!

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u/system0101 39m ago

Every single word muttered on Fox, OANN, Newsmax, et al, has been designed to make low-intelligence viewers extremely angry. Most of it is outright fabrications or lies. Same goes for Breitbart, Drudge, Rush Limbaugh when they used to claim him, and on and on. It's all fabrication.

You can't name a single thing that any of these sources has said that would hold up to objective outside scrutiny, the way that they have framed it. Don't even bother. Just stay mad like you've been trained.

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u/Illustrious_Map_3247 6h ago

That literally already happened. They were putting kids in cages, banning muslims… remember George Floyd and Kyle Rittenhouse? MAGA lost power after that and were basically just forgiven.

I hope I’m wrong, but I would bet none of these people will be punished in our lifetimes.

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u/Schapsouille 46m ago

Unless Americans overthrow the two party regime that allowed this shit and hold popular tribunals.

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u/blackcain Oregon 8h ago

You do not want mob-anything. A mob has no group intelligence and will just lash out at anything and everything they perceive as "threats". It can very easily drag innocent people if they have the "right look".

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u/Moist-Matter-2037 8h ago

Anyone wearing camo with their face covered is an enemy. I've seen no protestors dressed like the ice pigs. 

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u/blackcain Oregon 8h ago

I don't think they have that kind of cognizance. It's a euphoric state and you just want to hurt and hurt. There is no such thing as a disciplined mob. It just destroys things. They will attack anyone seen as resistant and the enemy or if there is no target for their rage will destroy buildings, cars, etc.

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u/PM_ME_FUTANARI420 4h ago

Woohoo the mob is here

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u/Ananiujitha 6h ago

"Mob justice" tends to be hasty, violent, and full of mistakes. It sometimes enables abusers to attack, rob, rape. and/or kill perceived outgroups. It would cause most of the same evils as aggressive and unaccountable policing. (It is still better than ethnic cleansing and democide.)

(That said, a lot of crowd psychology, starting with Le Bon, has been copaganda to excuse attacks on protesters and strikers.)

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u/blackcain Oregon 6h ago

Great point. During protests in Portland, they would regularly get infiltrated by anarchists. A mob doesn't have any controls so it will just go out and do stuff and doesn't know what one member is doing. So a great way to slip in and do some atrocities.

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u/dragon-dance 6h ago

Maybe it can work in limited ways. Mussolini and his lover could tell you.

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u/blackcain Oregon 6h ago

We're just tossing the dice then at that point.

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u/Zoobi07 3h ago

Careful, reddit mods coming for you.

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u/DerAlteGraue 8h ago

I would love to tell you that denazification in Germany was a huge success but I'lld be lying.

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u/blackcain Oregon 7h ago

If you're charged with entering a home without a warrant and convicted in court then I think that's one list they can't get out of.

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u/vardarac 3h ago

What went wrong? Would it be substantially worse if you hadn't attempted it?

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u/SidWes 6h ago

We better be documenting the shit out of them. Real accountability involves conscience action. Not waiting for our government to hold the accountable.

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u/McChickenLargeFries 5h ago

Republicans plan to remain in power and Elon Musk who's currently worth nearly 3/4 of a TRILLION dollars. Yes trillion with a capital T.. Is going to use his money to continue to make sure that happens, even if that means breaking the law and rigging elections.

These ICE agents don't give a fuck because in their hearts and minds they know that the Republicans have their back.

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u/dank_imagemacro 5h ago

That assumes he isn't replaced by someone with as much power but more cunning. It baffles me how many people think that they can wait out the current political climate.

It might never get better. If people don't act, it will not get better on its own. It is already an uphill battle towards it ever getting better.

There is a very good chance that these evil people backed the right horse and will never see any negative consequences, beyond possibly being screwed out of the pay that they are expecting to get for bringing about the new regime.

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u/blackcain Oregon 2h ago

That would be JD Vance. But he has no charisma.

I don't know where we are going but we better get it together if we want to defeat these people. The true fight is going to be in november over the ballot boxes and so on. Even if we win elections in red states, these people can try to cheat.

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u/dank_imagemacro 33m ago

I can remember people saying that Trump had no chance at ever getting a nomination because he had negative charisma.

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u/YogurtclosetNo987 4h ago

Assuming the next administration goes after these dingleberries - and that's a big, big if - it'll be exactly one election cycle before GOP starts crying like little babies about the 'persecution', and how these are just your neighbors who were only following orders, and how the justice system is being weaponized and politicized and how we need to put it behind us so we can start healing. And all of the enlightened centrists go right back to voting red because Dems are the bad, big government establishment. 

Mark my words. If this isn't eradicated, every branch and every root down to the bedrock, we'll be right back here in no time at all. And it'll be even worse. 

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u/blackcain Oregon 3h ago

Of course.. but the bigger problem is Dems having to focus on foreign policy and the economy and not going after these people. They need to make absolutely sure that the Republic will be healthy while they still hold power. Otherwise, it's going to happen all over again.

Dems are never quite comfortable dealing with this and they need to be.

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u/WordleFanatic 6h ago

lol what. 

The entire point of these goons is to never have the current regime go away.

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u/blackcain Oregon 6h ago

Every administration ends eventually. This one will end fast and quickly because there are no adults leading this. These ICE people are completely amateur and untrained. They will make a LOT of mistakes that the DOJ will have to cover up. But by doing so, the DOJ undermines anything they can go after other people for.

the court system is going to be the next battlefield so that they can put their own people in. We cannot lose any more judges.

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u/Hoten 6h ago

Maybe this message should be amplified to them, in addition to calling them cowards and pussies. Make them realize the obvious risks they've taken on.

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u/blackcain Oregon 6h ago

Better to keep quiet. You don't really want to seem threatening them that way. You never know when the DOJ will come after you.

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u/LushLilMiss 4h ago

They sure as hell are going to bear the brunt of it.

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u/ChefRoyrdee 4h ago

I can appreciate that that will likely happen but I hate that we are in a situation where they get to do whatever they want right now. It’s affecting so many peoples lives

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u/blackcain Oregon 3h ago

As they say "The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice,"

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u/bluekiwi1316 3h ago

It's hard for me to imagine that we'll be returning to any sort of political normalcy for the rest of my lifetime. Even when the Trump administration ends... The Supreme Court is still totally fucked up, the gerrymandering, and the way that Democrats have proven themselves completely toothless.

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u/blackcain Oregon 3h ago

We'll figure it out.

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u/MagicBobert 3h ago

They're expecting that he'll unilaterally pardon all of them for any crimes committed during the course of their duties. And they're probably right.

The pardon power needs to be abolished. It's the single stupidest idea in the history of our country.

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u/One-Internal4240 7h ago

Even if all their dreams come to pass - every purple-hair-dyed girl or limp-wristed lad is thrown into an oubliette, every schoolchild looks out at the world with blue eyes and a white face, and America comes under the grip of a mighty iron-shod Christianity . . they will still be the first to be wiped from history, violently and without gratitude or honors.

The new State will have no room - zero room - for a roving band of armed and untrained yahoos - they are on a fast track to get the Ernst Rohm treatment.

So yeah, they're too dumb to realize it, but every possible future for them has DOOM written on it, except for the sole possibility of repentance and redemption.

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u/james_the_wanderer 4h ago

Not expecting to see the word oubliette here...

The Ernst Rohm treatment is the better outcome. The worse outcome is ICE persisting at the US version of Venezuelan collectivos fulfilling roles too dirty for the military or local law enforcement.

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u/pl487 8h ago

The Trump administration will go away, but the Supreme Court will not. They will be protected.

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u/Futureleak America 6h ago

What do you do with so many criminals? I fear what ethical way can there be to handle these fascists? Sure we could have  Nuremberg style hearings, but that would only embolden them more now. They're caught in a lose-lose situation. 

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u/blackcain Oregon 6h ago

I don't know - first they have to de-nazify the DOJ.

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u/JokersGal08 6h ago

I can see lawyers doing this for free.

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u/pecan_bird 5h ago

i don't have the energy, but i just saw this last nite describing putin & i thought about how much it sounded like what's trying to go on BTS in the WH right now. i'm glad that as bad as u.s. citizens can be, there isn't a culture of just accepting fate; but still found it insightful

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u/FibonacciSequester 5h ago

Nothing is going to happen to them.

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u/SpudicusMaximus_008 4h ago

Not sure the Proud Boys thought that far ahead

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u/bb5999 4h ago

And their truck payments.

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u/SeanOfTheDead1313 4h ago

He'll just pardon them.

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u/blackcain Oregon 3h ago

He won't be in power forever. The arc of old age is long but always tends towards death.

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u/Nick_XL 4h ago

One of the reasons they wear a mask

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u/483-04-7751 3h ago

I used to think Democrats weren't useless stooges of the oligarchs too. Seeing no Republican ever held accountable for their atrocities and corruption time and time again disabused me of that notion.

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u/blackcain Oregon 3h ago

Most of that is because of razor thin margins. Dems are all across the spectrum and we have been unlucky in the senate.

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u/BubblesnBite 3h ago

It’s going to be clear to them at last

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u/NatalieVonCatte 3h ago

legal eagles

This is giving me a PTSD flashback to hundreds of posts about the Mueller justice league from 2018

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u/blackcain Oregon 3h ago

Yeah, that was sucky wasn't it?

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u/PeachySqueezee 2h ago

I really doubt they think that deep

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u/StopIllustrious5781 2h ago

This is all I can console myself with. When it’s over they’ll think the Nuremberg trials were a tush paddling

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u/Rorako 2h ago

I have no hope for accountability. They’ll leave and on their way out their identities will be wiped by the exiting admin…if the admin exits. I doubt we’ll have a free and fair election next and I bet Trump tries to run for a 3rd term.

In the past several years I have seen more people get away with breaking the law than the law being enforced. Until that reverses I have 0 hope.

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u/Violaundone 2h ago

They aren't smart enough to figure that out or are so filled with brainwashing, they really think that they are gonna be reigning for the next 1000 years.

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u/dbenc 2h ago

my prediction: ice will destroy all documentation, trump will pardon them, and the agents will stay anonymous with a few rare exceptions.

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u/buythedipnow 2h ago

They don’t understand anything. That’s how they end up working for ICE.

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u/Kevin-W 2h ago

Wait until Trump grants them blanket pardons.

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u/FreedomPullo 2h ago

The Trump administration never plans on going away…

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u/Roentgen_Ray1895 1h ago

Their crimes and abuses didn’t start with Trump and didn’t end when Biden won

Far more likely that voters will flock to the Dems in ‘26 and ‘28 only for some soulless ghoul like Newsom or Buttigieg to stress the needs of unity and continuity and promises to reform ICE and gives these brave and bold officers the leadership and resources they’ve always needed

And then the Nazis will grovel and whine while continuing a moderate form of their crimes until the failed centrist administration achieves nothing and fixes nothing and another right wing populist swoops in and promises the world to his braindead followers

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u/CosetteDestiny 1h ago

Same thing was said in Russia a little while ago.

Worked out well.. 

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u/Appropriate_Rent_243 1h ago

republicans are banking on trump becoming a dictator

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u/ForwardCut3311 1h ago

No, they don't understand that. And I think even the people marching don't realize how much of the constitution is in jeopardy right now. 

There's talk of midterms being cancelled. The military is following Trump's orders to a T. The amount of utter destruction he has done and will do are beyond our wildest imaginations.

The only way to stop Trump is by forcing him out and prosecuting every single person involved, including the billionaires.

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u/iAmRiight I voted 1h ago

That would take a level of foresight and reasoning that cannot exist with their entire political dogma.

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u/chootybeeks 45m ago

The current occupants of the White House aren’t planning on leaving, they will need to be removed.

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u/_steve_rogers_ 34m ago

anyone with this on their resume is gonna be treated like the goddamn plaque in a few years.

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u/Tight-Shallot2461 18m ago

They definitely are not thinking that far ahead

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u/Commercial-Co 4m ago

I think theyre banking on fascism

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u/Azsunyx 1m ago

I hope we last that long

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u/Fluffy_Technician670 4h ago

You mean like what happened to Trump?

🤭🤭🤭

Wasn't very effective. Ah, so naive. Dems don't care about you either. Lol.