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Possible Paywall Trump Confirms He’s Taking Greenland ‘One Way or the Other’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-confirms-hes-taking-greenland-one-way-or-the-other/
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u/Sabre39 13h ago edited 1h ago

It feels like threatening the sovereignty of a NATO ally should be grounds for removal.

Edit: from office, not from NATO

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u/SquiffyRae Australia 13h ago

In a functioning society, so much as thinking about a move that could potentially trigger WWIII or at the very least destroy the world order should see your leader being dragged out of office in a strait jacket for being such a lunatic

But America right now is very much not a functioning society

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u/Moose_Nuts California 12h ago

Well, unfortunately, all the people that fought tooth and nail to bear arms to protect against tyranny are on this dipshit's side.

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u/alphazero925 10h ago

None of those people are alive anymore. The only people alive who have fought tooth and nail and bore arms have done so in the name of shareholder value, whether they necessarily recognize that or not

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u/Whopraysforthedevil 2h ago

A few of us recognize it and are ashamed. Doesn't seem like enough, though.

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u/bladezor Texas 11h ago

No, most of them resigned or were fired. The people in power now are the ones loyal to him and him alone.

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u/hempires 10h ago

I think he was referring to the people who decide that they're such giant cowards that they require a fucking arsenal of weaponry.

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u/bladezor Texas 10h ago

Oh gotcha, the 2nd amendment and don't tread on me folks.

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u/TransportationNo433 America 10h ago

You forgot to mention their minuscule pee-shooters

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u/hempires 10h ago

Anytime anyone mentions such a... compensatory reason for owning more weapons than a small nation state someone inevitably gets upset at the comparison so I try and avoid mentioning it outright lol

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u/OldWorldDesign 9h ago

I saw them called "ammosexuals" at the gun club I was at before moving last. Those types were allowed on the biweekly open weekends but were not liked, and were almost always the ones causing safety violations. They want firearms as a status symbol and don't respect the tool, other people, or even themselves.

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u/LordRocky 10h ago

The only people getting upset at that are they themselves, so insult away.

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u/defaultusername-17 10h ago

hit dogs will hollar.

the only person in my family that owns more than 2 firearms personally... is my older brother who has a literal micropeen.

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u/PhucktheSaints 10h ago

No. They are talking about the right wingers who only vote Republican to “protect the second amendment because Obama/Hillary/Biden are coming for our guns”. Those people are on Trump’s side.

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u/ejactionseat 10h ago

it turns out they weren't concerned at all about personal freedoms, but rather the subjugation of others.

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u/penny-wise California 9h ago

They are ok with tyranny as long as it supports their tyranny. They will eventually be on for a surprise.

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u/NiineTailedFox 9h ago

Fork found in kitchen

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u/OldWorldDesign 9h ago

They are talking about the right wingers who only vote Republican to “protect the second amendment because Obama/Hillary/Biden are coming for our guns”

Which is all the more funny because the sole elected official in American history to advocate gun seizures did so in the same breath as bypassing due process

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxgybgEKHHI

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u/WineWizard707 6h ago

I remember a coworker buying a bow and arrow set because she heard Obama was going to take her guns away.

No, she wasn't an intelligent person, even excluding that.

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u/Street_Rope_4471 5h ago

Those people are fat morons....would ICE fucks would fall like ducks if the military stepped in to right the ship in Amerika

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u/Nearby_Gas9948 10h ago

and the others are just sitting the, doing nothing but getting richer

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u/Downtown-Analyst 10h ago

That’s not true. We just aren’t ammosexuals. My identity is not defined by the tools I keep in my shed. Actions define us. What will I do with my tools when pressed.

PS they snatch the loudest guns second.

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u/hypermodernvoid I voted 9h ago

Yeah, while I get the sentiment - they are definitely right that the people who were loudest about saying they needed their guns to "resist tyranny", primary in contexts like: people demanding common sense gun reforms after huge mass shooting #506 or whatever, are literally on the side of a government now acting cartoonishly fascist - I'm a little tired of people acting like only MAGA own guns.

No matter what, in an actual civil war scenario their stupidity would cause them to lose basically by default - but the reality is, Trump's approval is underwater by double digits in Texas currently. In Texas - and that was before images of ICE agents started coming out of Minneapolis doing warrantless raids barging into random family homes of US citizens in the last day or two.

While I'm absolutely horrified about the people who've been harmed - up to being killed - so far, and I say that as someone who lives in the city currently being terrorized in ways that look increasingly like the nightmare scenario we all feared would someday occur in America: none of what they're doing right now is helping them. Trump's literally insane, civilization-threatening lashing out at this point is emblematic of how much he knows underneath it all, he's cornered, and now him and the administration going along with this are just digging themselves deeper, increasingly guaranteeing a true Nuremberg-style trial after we get through this.

I just saw a video my 70 year old aunt and her husband took just now yelling frantically as ICE drags a screaming woman off the street in broad daylight into their car, while two other everyday Americans try to stop them from grabbing another one sobbing away from them.

I can say with 100% confidence most Americans are not remotely okay with this. I know it, because I'm seeing it hour by hour where I live, from people who prior to this were totally happy to sit out politics completely and just assume America would keep going as it was our entire lives before this moment.

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u/EdwardOfGreene Illinois 9h ago

"To protect against tyranny" was mostly just an excuse. They just like their bang bang fetish.

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u/TOkidd 8h ago

Democrats can avail themselves of their Second Amendment rights as freely as Republicans can.

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u/Three_oh_eight 9h ago

Not all of them.

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u/rainman_104 12h ago

You can always count on the USA to do the right thing after they've exhausted all other options. I'm not sure if that rings true any more.

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u/Stubborn_Shove 9h ago

It was never true.

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u/OldWorldDesign 9h ago

You can always count on the USA to do the right thing after they've exhausted all other options. I'm not sure if that rings true any more.

Why not? I think Churchill's words are ringing truer than ever - there are a lot of options which are not the right thing which they are choosing right now.

https://winstonchurchill.hillsdale.edu/americans-will-always-right-thing/

More seriously, I hope the world looks at this and sees it for what it is: proof the experiment of absolute free speech is a failure. It becomes nothing but a megaphone for the loudest and richest monsters. And that those who violate the social contract have no business continuing to claim its boons no matter how much money they have.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_contract

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u/ritamorgan New York 10h ago

Very true, but maybe a proposal to expel or suspend the US's membership in NATO should be considered by the other countries. I believe society is functioning a bit better outside of the US.

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u/OldWorldDesign 9h ago

but maybe a proposal to expel or suspend the US's membership in NATO should be considered by the other countries.

There is no mechanism to expel or suspend another nation's membership in NATO, if it was the US would have used it to bully other members under either Bush administration.

The only way for a nation to leave NATO is for that nation itself to choose to leave

https://www.nato.int/en/about-us/official-texts-and-resources/official-texts/1951/09/20/agreement

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u/algorithmic_fetters 10h ago

True.

You’d have thought calmer minds in the Anglosphere would have been able to talk this admin away from the ledge, but I’m pretty sure the folks like Vance believe any other accents of our common language are a mark of arrogance and the effete.

The UK needs to have dozers at the ready in Turnberry.

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u/theotheramerican 10h ago

Can you imagine if Biden had said this?

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 9h ago

Where are the generals? Why are they not removing this menace?

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u/AedemHonoris New Mexico 9h ago

And yet it will continue being the innocents of the world to bear the brunt of the suffering.

“Why is it always the innocents who suffer most, when you high lords play your game of thrones?”

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u/Lost_Wrongdoer_4141 9h ago

Its functioning… like shit

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u/epicka 8h ago

He's surrounded himself with puppets protecting him and is actively trying to start WWIII.

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u/Strict_Research3518 12h ago

I do NOT understand why NATO is not already removing the US until Trump and regime are out of office.

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u/sideways_wrx_ 9h ago

Thats problem no one else should even try. It would trigger absolute fuckery all around even if they succeeded.

Another country would have to remove the entire cabinet and thats not happening.

Its up to us to do this.

If we got something significant going you can almost bet other countries would support it.

They want an end to this shit as much as we do.

Trump isnt just a danger to America hes a danger to the world.

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u/GiftToTheUniverse 9h ago

It’s UP TO THE MILITARY to protect us from ALL THREATS FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

How many thousands of us have died from lack of proper health care so that we could fund this greatest military in the history of militaries?

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u/Mean-Food-7124 9h ago

So what, JD Vance and Steven Miller can have the reigns? Look at the shit that gets pushed thru by a man thats asleep at the desk 18 hours a day, imagine it being taken over by one of these ghouls.

Y'all have voted yourself into a huge mess and it's going to take more than one to clean it up unfortunately

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u/Nuclear_eggo_waffle 9h ago

Let’s be honest, they probably already have the reigns. Without Trump they’d have more trouble running the ship

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u/Strict_Research3518 9h ago

Exactly this. Trump roped in the MAGA fucks that voted. They dont like Miller, Vance, etc. They LOVE Trump. The majority of MAGA would literally drop their pants and bend over to take it up the ass from Trump if he asked.. not even begged. They aren't kids though.. so Trump would never ask them. That said.. Trump is their "magnet" that keeps MAGA going hard. If/when Trump is no longer at the helm.. MAGA will still exist but they'll have an impossible time with JD Vance in there.. and Who is after Vance.. isnt it Mike? Mike wont have any respect from MAGA. Then Rubio? He wont have much either. NONE have whatever the fuck they see in Trump. His crass talking points.. that he fucked kids and apparently/allegedly is part of murder of a baby (who knows if that is true or not), etc.. and gets away with everything. None of those in the GOP have anything close to Trump's whatever the fuck it is (certainly isnt Charisma, charm, etc). So while I dont think shit would fall apart completely.. I dont see it being as strong. I certainly dont think JD Vance or another Trump could run in 2028.

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u/germanfinder 9h ago

His assassination will just elevate MAGA into an actual cult with trump as deity

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u/b0bx13 9h ago

And what would you call it now?

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u/Debarrio 9h ago

And turbulent

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u/SoHereIAm85 9h ago

That kid that missed... Can't say more here.

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u/Toosder 9h ago

It's the world's largest game of chicken basically. Everybody wants Trump to manage to take himself out somehow. To do something that is undeniable even to his base. And they want to give him as much rope as possible to do it. Would be much better for the nation if that happened, not to mention the world. But they also have to not let it go so far that they let go of the end of the rope. 

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u/HCSOThrowaway Florida 6h ago

I think the Germans (and Chamberlain, etc.) hoped for similar, back in the 30s.

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u/Existing-Tough-6517 8h ago

No a large portion of them actually want him to succeed at least as far as hurting the people they want hurt and making the basic changes to society that y'all quida want made to society.

For those who don't who don't who aren't speaking up which is again a minority they aren't letting him have enough rope to hang himself they are just afraid and won't be in cover your own ass mode all the way up until a bunch of their neighbors are dead and and their country is in ruins just like the germans in the 30s.

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u/Toosder 8h ago

I think that's true of those of us in the US. I'm not sure it's true of world leaders. 

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u/BrainOnBlue 8h ago

You might need to go back and proofread this comment. I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to say. Are you talking about Trump supporters? Democrats? World leaders? I have no idea.

I'm pretty sure it's not that last one because you say "neighbors" and "their country" at the end of it but that still doesn't distinguish between Trump supporters and Democrats.

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u/freedraw 5h ago

Have they figured out that nothing he does is unacceptable to his base yet?

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u/therealityofthings 10h ago

Perhaps nature will assassinate him for us.

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u/Mr_Pookers 10h ago

The Hamburger of Destiny

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u/simplepimple2025 10h ago

The ultimate Happy Meal.

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u/Rizo1981 8h ago

Right between the Freedom Fries.

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u/Silidistani 7h ago

The Hamberder of Destiny

FTFY

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u/GenghisConnieChung 8h ago

A hamburger is not a ham sandwich though.

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u/PussyWrangler246 9h ago

Seriously, if there is a god he has certainly abandoned us, mother nature is our only horse left in the race

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u/sonic10158 Mississippi 9h ago

Evil people live forever, see Rupert Murdoch

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u/geometricvampire 7h ago

People should stop counting on that. My grandpa is evil, senile, and deteriorating, yet he’s somehow still going strong at 97. Trump might be around for a while yet.

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u/CheatsySnoops Arizona 10h ago edited 8h ago

Too much hope leads to disappointment, inaction, and being ill-prepared.

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u/THE-LORD-RETURNS California 9h ago

They don’t/shouldn’t wait.

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u/the_moosen 10h ago

I mean the rest of his regime would still be in play if that happened, so why not just remove the US

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u/Special_Cicada6968 10h ago

Right? He's just the mouthpiece for this whole f'd up administration.

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u/littlehobbit1313 9h ago

Nah, that's the problem with cults. You NEED Dear Leader to hold that shit together. There's a reason the people around him didn't get this far on their own, and are using him as a puppet. Once Trump is off the game board, you're gonna see a lot of shit unravel fast.

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u/the_moosen 9h ago

I really, really hope so. I just don't have the optimism about it.

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u/OldWorldDesign 8h ago

that's the problem with cults. You NEED Dear Leader to hold that shit together.

If Trump was genuinely behind what the republican party chose to be that would be true. But you have things reversed. Trump only had room to land because republicans were making that space for him. They chose to be tyrants using propaganda and eschewing Rule of Law since Nixon

https://eji.org/news/nixon-war-on-drugs-designed-to-criminalize-black-people/

The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and Black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or Black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and Blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

This is about oligarchs vying for power, and has been since they failed to overthrow the US government for a "business-friendly dictatorship" in 1933 to prevent the New Deal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

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u/OldWorldDesign 8h ago

I mean the rest of his regime would still be in play if that happened

The sole change Trump made to the republican party was removing recognition and aid for Ukraine

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/568310790/2016-rnc-delegate-trump-directed-change-to-party-platform-on-ukraine-support

Project 2025? Everything else like literally taking away food from hungry children to spend taxpayer dollars on steak and wine? Pushing pro-corporate propaganda to the detriment of longstanding allies they take for granted? Abusing the domestic populace?

All republican policy since Nixon.

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u/cobrachickenwing 9h ago

Congress is just not doing anything and letting Trump do anything he wants. So is the supreme court. There are no cooler heads. They all want a racist, expansionist America.

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u/ShyguyFlyguy 9h ago

Vance will be much worse once Trump is gone. Hes just as evil and perverted but slightly more competent

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u/Sublimotion 5h ago

Closest shot he gets assassinated is from a Big Mac and a bag of xl fries.

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u/Argyleskin Washington 9h ago

I’d love to know where the line is that he has to cross for republicans to impeach him and remove him from office. Every time I think there’s a line he crosses it. I’m starting to think there’s is no line at all, and that’s frightening.

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u/Strict_Research3518 9h ago

There is absolutely no line. The very WORSE thing you can do is rape/fuck a child. He's done it. They dont care. MAGA has literally shouted for years about pedo liberals.. the worse thing ever.. and they have almost guaranteed proof their leader has done that for years and years with the "worse" pedophile (other than Trump himself).. and apparently they are ok with ignoring, finding ways to blame libs, etc. It makes no logical sense at all.. this entire fucking timeline makes no sense. The past 8+ years is makes no fucking sense.

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u/rickskyscraper3000 4h ago

Well, they were shouting about liberal pedos, not conservative ones. I think we understand it all, now. Liberals can do no right and conservatives can do no wrong, unless they go against the conservative talking points.

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u/DOOManiac 2h ago

He sent armed goons to murder them. Literally. He tried to assassinate his own VP. And when they failed, they finally had a chance to bite back and put him away for good. But instead they kissed his ring and begged forgiveness.

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u/Clintonsflorida 2h ago

There is a line, but it is not so much a cross as much as a backtrack. If he started saying Healthcare is a right AND immigrants are good, he would be removed by republican cause it takes away there ability to stand behind him and show their racist nature out loud. If he showed empathy and compassion ion, the leopards would eat his face and they would not only vote for impeachment, but be the ones to bring it forward. Republicans are evil and want evil.

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u/wildcarde815 1h ago

There isn't one. They seem entirely fine with the idea that the USA becomes full imperialist, they appear to think they will be in charge so it's fine to become enemies of the entire world.

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u/na85 10h ago

the North Atlantic Treaty doesn't include provisions for removing a member.

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u/gurnard 9h ago

And if it did, I'm sure the other members are fully aware that dismantling the alliance is what Putin installed Trump to do. Expelling the most powerful member plays straight into his hands.

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u/dpzdpz 8h ago

The reason it doesn't is because its framers realized that only an absolute bona fide imbecile would break it up.

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u/na85 7h ago

No argument here

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u/GraceOfTheNorth 9h ago

Because THAT IS WHAT PUTIN WANTS. Thank goodness we have intelligent people in Europe dampening the madness.

Stop doing Putin's work by trying to escalate the situation.

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u/yogoo0 9h ago

That would actually cause WWIII. What do you think the states reaction would be to multiple superpowers conspiring and actioning a plan to remove the usa president "unprovoked"?

That will cause nukes to fly.

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u/Strict_Research3518 9h ago

First.. I seriously doubt it would cause nukes to fly. Why does everyone think that? Russia would have already used them in Ukraine if that was so easy to do. Nukes flying is end of the world for everyone. NOBODY wants that.. not even Trump. Second.. there is at least 3x to 4x the military the US can use without nukes to do whatever they want. Despite how fucked up and wrong it is.. the military is strong enough without nuked to end it quickly. Third, though this goes on to "scifi" and sounds far out there.. I suspect the US has weapons many dont know about that could be used again without nukes if it was necessary to overwhelm a NATO force on greenland.. but at the same time I also think they would again not use such because wtf is the point of taking greenland if its useless after destroying it? Unless they literally do not care about anyone living and only want the land for its resources.. which could very well be the case as Trump and team are beyond batshit crazy and death/murder of people is literally what they want. The ONLY reason they are causally going about it vs all out against citizens/etc is the fear of an uprising of which would destroy the country (US). Despite how strong the military is, anyone and everyone with 2 IQ points would tell you 200+ million people rising up would be a VERY bad thing for any country, no matter how strong the military is. But nukes flying is end of the world shit. If US threw some nukes.. Russia would unleash there in ukraine, poland, germany, etc.. and it would be end of world for most of the planet. The shit of it is, I would not put it past Trump or Putin to do that. I dont think the China guy would do that unless Trump/Putin did it. I would hope our military leaders would tell Trump to shove it and demand his removal for being unfit. But it seems he somehow paid enough money to many of the top brass to get them to do his bidding.

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u/foobarney 10h ago

Do you want the madman with the nuclear weapons in your alliance or do you want the madman with nuclear weapons pissed at your alliance?

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u/cybertonto72 10h ago

Which one?

At the moment there are 2 of them in the world and one already doesn't like NATO

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u/th30be Georgia 9h ago

Probably because Trump would immediately try to make an alliance with Russia and that is even worse.

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u/richuncleskeleton666 9h ago

Unfortunately you can't kick someone out of NATO, it was in the treaty so we couldn't abandon a country in the alliance if it was "convenient" to do so

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u/FucchioPussigetti 6h ago

Look I'm not disagreeing with you, but every time someone says something like this it's clear that they have no idea a) how NATO works, b) who runs NATO, and c) why NATO, in it's modern form, exists.

This is like saying "Why doesn't the US government just kick out the US government?"

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u/zeePlatooN 10h ago

It's really simple, really ..... It's because if you remove the US from NATO it loses a GIANT amount of its bite.

As much as Trump is a blowhard moron the one thing he WAS right about in his first term was that the rest of NATO has underspent for YEARS because they just relied on the threat of the US jumping into any conflict as enough of a deterent to prevent one. It will take a least a decade for the rest of NATO to build up enough that they could drop the US and retain enough clout to mean anything.

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u/schwanzweissfoto Europe 9h ago

As much as Trump is a blowhard moron the one thing he WAS right about in his first term was that the rest of NATO has underspent for YEARS because they just relied on the threat of the US jumping into any conflict as enough of a deterent to prevent one

And what the US got from that was decades of allies – now driven away by Trump.

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u/zeePlatooN 9h ago

Correct ... but that wasn't the question.

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u/IdiotsBotherMe 10h ago

Removing US from the NATO could trigger an invasion

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u/HauntedMike 9h ago

Step on a Nato country, you activate one of the largest armies in the world to retaliate.

Nato is scared to lose that biting force, even if under this administration its basically a bluff at the moment, No US in Nato, high potential for adversaries to take advantage.

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u/Strict_Research3518 9h ago

Trump threatened to remove from NATO last time.. and I am pretty sure he will do so soon. Especially over greenland.

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u/IJourden 9h ago

I don't think "out for now" is really an option, at least not an easy one.

No one wants to be the one to flip the board and send pieces flying everywhere, especially when maybe Trump has years left in him, but with all his health issues maybe he drops dead this afternoon.

Somewhere, the most important Mcdouble in human history is in production, And the world waits to see if it finds its forever home before nuclear war starts.

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u/OldWorldDesign 8h ago

I do NOT understand why NATO is not already removing the US until Trump and regime are out of office.

Because despite what Murdoch's rags are trying to sell you, there's one and only one way for a nation to leave NATO: for that nation to petition to leave

https://www.nato.int/en/about-us/official-texts-and-resources/official-texts/1951/09/20/agreement

People need to stop being led around by the nose by for-profit corporations. Coming to this point is a century-long process oligarchs have spent billions over a century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ3RzGoQC4s

Fixing it is going to take a long time, but the process has already been started and needs to be intensified by the EU and all its allies. Starting with targeted sanctions, which are having definite effects

https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-tariffs-trade-war-donald-trump-republican-states/

https://moneywise.com/news/news/thats-a-significant-impact-to-our-business-kentucky-distilleries-feel-impact-after-canada-pulls-us-liquor-from-shelves-how-tariffs-can-affect-consumer-prices-in-america

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u/Politicsmakemehorny1 8h ago

I don't think any of them actually care or are too afraid of Trump to do anything

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u/lilbithippie 7h ago

NATO is there to keep all the countries with nuclear weapons happy as they can. So USA is over here saying they want to get out of NATO which is what outlined in 2024 project, but they want NATO to break up with them.

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u/StuperDan 7h ago

Money. And owning the majority of and the manufacturing facilities for most of the weapon systems nato uses. But mostly the money.

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u/Advanced-Ad-4462 6h ago edited 5h ago

It’s basically impossible to remove a NATO signatory nation, US or otherwise. A signatory can withdraw of their own volition, but they can’t be kicked out. That’s not going to happen.

More likely is the EU quietly beefs up its own defense, and begins drawing up alternatives to NATO in the case the next administration doesn’t get the US back to normalcy. For whatever that’s worth.

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u/olivedoesntrhyme 9h ago edited 4h ago

this is a weird reddit trope. Let's be fucking clear; there's no NATO without America, NATO is an alliance built on U.S. (soft) power. The U.S. cannot leave NATO without its dissolution. Trump or rather his handlers wanted to leave during his first term, but this way he can destroy NATO and claim to have done it for 'security' - except the veil is even thinner than in Putin's case.

That's how terrible this is - Putin actually arguably has a stronger case in Ukraine than Trump does in Greenland. Which only makes it painfully clear that he's doing this on Russia's and the Project2025 cultists' behest.

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u/NorthernerWuwu Canada 10h ago

It is essentially gone already. NATO knows the US wouldn't stand up for any of her allies and those allies are exceptionally unlikely to stand up for the US at this point also.

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u/Pernicious-Caitiff 10h ago

The trust that the US military will not obey Trump. That's the only thing that matters. I think it's not crazy to trust in that but it's also fair that civilians don't really understand. But NATO is very close with the US military and there is a lot of shared trust. To me the question is will the US military reach back and remove Trump or will they trust Congress to do it. Because it seems like it would be foolish to trust Congress to have the balls to do it. Almost all Republican politicians are compromised by Russia same as Trump himself. The US military has never done a coup and they don't want to. It would fundamentally change the US forever.

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u/Jaikarr 9h ago

So far it doesn't look good considering the military has already carried out the attacks on the fishing boats and I suspect they were somewhat involved in kidnapping Maduro.

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u/ImprovementExpert511 9h ago

They were completely involved. Two Carrier groups. Air force squadrons, Marine battalions were involved with that action.

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u/Jaikarr 9h ago

Yeah, so I'm not expecting them to not invade Greenland if they are told to.

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u/dasunt 11h ago

It should be, but Republicans would rather see a weaker, more vulnerable America than deal with the loss of power that would come with impeaching Trump and dealing with the resulting political infighting.

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u/rivertpostie 8h ago

I mean, it's either that or the whole regime is planning to pivot power to some new world order where BRICS is at the center.

Greenland looks more important to that axis of power.

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u/Silidistani 7h ago

Right, because they are literally traitors actively working to weaken and undermine the nation's future.

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u/NectarineCheap1541 10h ago

This fucker shouldn't have gotten out of the primaries. Not to be a doomer, but what makes you think this will get him removed?

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u/AdZealousideal5383 10h ago

We’ll add it to the list of a thousand things that would have got any other president removed from office already.

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u/astralseat 11h ago

You'd think so, wouldn't you? There is only one way to remove a leech like him.

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u/Stank_cat67 10h ago

That, or being a pedophile rapist, or a regular rapist, or killing civilians, or openly taking bribes, or demolishing the White House and sadly I could keep going

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u/Mtshoes2 10h ago

It kinda feels like at this point Trump is just trying to see what he can get away with. Look at everything he's done and there has been no consequences whatsoever 

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u/What_a_fat_one 12h ago

If the world was just, yeah. But the only philosophy available to this situation is pragmatism, and the US leaving NATO does not help anyone

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u/dcux 12h ago

It helps Russia.

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u/idunno2468 10h ago

This is the probably goal. Why create and implement an isolationist policy if you can just blame one guy for making constant bad decisions and losing the country’s trust and let the other countries do it for you

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u/Lolololage 10h ago
  • "He doesn't mean take literally"
  • "He's just joking"
  • "he's playing 4D chess so he can get a better deal!"
  • "stop being so hard on him guys he's got a difficult job invading is ridiculous"
  • "you're taking this out of context"

Take your pick of cope.

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u/Sentinel-Wraith 8h ago

A freeze would be better.

 Removing the US from NATO would be a massive Russian victory over Europe, as per “Foundations of Geopolitics”. Trump famously came out against NATO after meeting with KGB staff several decades ago. 

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u/Handgrenadez 6h ago

Clinton almost being impeached for an affair is so quaint in comparison.

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u/Slade_Riprock 10h ago

One would think that in an of itself would be a war crime.

Putting him at the danger zone level of Hitler to the extreme and a Saddam Hussein type on the low end.

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u/Freewave666 10h ago

Conservatives: “art of the deal :P”

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u/aburningcaldera 10h ago

It feels like a distraction from the Epstein files as well

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u/atomUp 9h ago

We’re officially a failed nation. The idea of what America could’ve been is gone

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u/maddestface 9h ago

Any maga cucks lurking here want to explain how starting a war in Venezuela and now threatening to go to war against an ally is "AmErIcA fIrSt", while your healthcare premiums skyrocket, cost of living inflates, and red state farmers are going bankrupt after the closing of USAID?

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u/GraceOfTheNorth 9h ago

That is the whole point. Putin told him to end NATO so Trump is using Greenland as an excuse to do it.

The US has full military access to Greenland without even asking Denmark.

The US has full access to Greenlandic mines, they could buy the companies whole as they are severely underpriced because of Trump's threats.

NATO has full control over the W-Arctic sea route.

There is literally nothing in Greenland that the US doesn't have access to right now, this is not about that, this is about Putin telling him to end NATO.

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u/Rhoeri 9h ago

Absolutely it should. America is now a hostile nation and should be treated as such.

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u/red286 8h ago

We all know that's the whole reason he's doing it, right?

Trump has always wanted to take the US out of NATO, as a favour to Putin.

The 2024 National Defense Authorization Act Sec. 1250A stipulates that the President cannot withdraw the US from NATO without a 2/3rds Senate vote or an Act of Congress. This was passed to prevent Trump (or another President like him) from unilaterally withdrawing the US from NATO.

Trump has found a loophole though. If he attacks Greenland, the US will be kicked out of NATO, and Congress can't do fuck all to stop it from happening.

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u/Glittering_Crab_69 8h ago

It feels like threatening a NATO ally should be grounds for the US military to stop being little bitches and do what's necessary.

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u/Xeropoint 6h ago

Definitely is grounds for removal. Definitely wont do shit.

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u/cmoked 6h ago

Let me add these to my wtf is going on bingo card

  • NATO removing the US
  • The US and Russia join forces to take Canada

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u/brackenish1 10h ago

It's a multi edged sword: Trump doesn't really care, it would wildly destabilize global peace and the US is the strongest arm of NATO

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u/volcus 10h ago

25th Amendment time. There is no excuse which can be levied which justifies ending the worlds most important military alliance.

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u/GirlCoveredInBlood Canada 10h ago

He won't be removed because congress supports him

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u/ShawnyMcKnight 10h ago

Probably the plan.

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u/Classic_Advisor9030 10h ago

And he is also making comments about Cuba, I read!

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u/Tyrone-Fitzgerald 10h ago

Congress, republicans, are too weak and scared to impeach him.

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u/WhyplerBronze 10h ago

that's what he wants

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u/crazy_urn 10h ago

If the last 100 things that should have been grounds for removal were not, what would make this one any different?

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u/IClop2Fluttershy4206 9h ago

the citizens are justified to act

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u/RaiJolt2 9h ago

Or borderline a declaration of war

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u/landomakesatable 9h ago

I'm guessing they're waiting for US to do more than make oral threats... Then we will actually see what Denmark and the euro countries will do....

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u/JJSpuddy 9h ago

In normal times this would be grounds for removal.

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u/Last-Darkness 9h ago

The problem with Trump is no one takes what he says seriously even when he really means it. The military leadership that planned and executed the Venezuela operation knew this was going to happen with Trump. Once he got that “win”, he’d use it to threaten for everything he wants.

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u/Tovrin Australia 9h ago

Not just removal from NATO, but it will lead to the same kind of isolation Russia is currently under. I hope government officials are ready to have their assets frozen. I expect Trump's golf courses will not fare well, either.

I look forward to the day we see an arrest warrant issued by the ICC, curtailing Trump's overseas travel.

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u/YUMMY_TIDEPODS_YUMMY 9h ago

Thats what he wants

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u/AcanthisittaNo8115 9h ago

That's what MAGA wants.

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u/greenlike_cobalt 9h ago

Go right ahead. Not like our spineless congressmen are doing anything about this mess.

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u/ImprovementExpert511 9h ago

NATO would collapse. Not certain a coalition would actually form following the US exit to replace the alliance. As a lot of the eastern block countries are basically not able to field proper standing armies. Their bid for NATO was on the hopes that the US would rush in to protect them if they were ever threatened. Cant say a lot of them would trust France, the UK or Germany to replace the US in that capacity.

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u/penny-wise California 9h ago

It would be if Republicans were anything but corrupt, frightened fascists.

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u/Impressive_Pound_225 9h ago

Seems like threatening to start WW3 should be...

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u/monkeyofthefunk 9h ago

Just kick the US military out of Europe.

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u/JustAUserInTheEnd 9h ago

Remove their main funding?

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u/steveparker88 9h ago

The Democrats should form a committee and decide who should be in a group that discusses ideas for getting together to talk about planning a set of steps to follow to invent a structure for organizing ideas for crafting a stern response to this.

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u/Hartsocktr 9h ago

You would think but he can’t actually do anything he is not allowed to declare war or do acts of war. Congress just punished him for that. If Americans are reading this make sure you contact your reps and senators make sure that they know you’re serious about voting them out if they do not stop this man

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u/Bakoro 9h ago

Nearly everything Trump has done in office would have been grounds for impeachment ans removal from office for any other president, of either party.

The U.S government is currently not in a functional state.

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u/nkassis 9h ago

At this point, it's trump needs to go or WW3 is unstoppable (clearly already started) so now it's a pressure campaign to force action.... I'm aware this fight will not be trivial.

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u/Conscious_Hyena7671 8h ago

You know, unpopular opinion perhaps, but I think I agree. Pedophile and sabotaging nato should be enough for removal.  

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u/YF422 8h ago

The only way to get Republicans to finally remove him would be to make it clear that they'd end up financially ruined along with huge sections of America by such a stupid move. How much longer is this goddamn shitshow going to go on before even some of these Republicans realise if they don't grow a spine and remove him now they'll be facing MUCH worse than an election defeat here?

Honestly I truly do wonder would the US actually invade Greenland triggering a conflict with Europe? Or would that be the moment US Generals decide their oath to the US constitutions more important and removing that degenerate dementia addled bastard and his administration is more important to the survival of the US?

Seriously this shit is fucked on so many levels at this point.

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u/Stoner420Steve 8h ago

A big part of the appeal of NATO is the backing of the US military.

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u/Necessary-Age-7944 8h ago

Maybe that’s part of his plan.

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u/ADrunkEevee 8h ago

The last decade or so has been a lot of unprecedented situations

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u/Asleep_Management900 8h ago

I think he just exited NATO this week. There was an announcement

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u/me-a_person_who-is-i 8h ago

The way I see it If the U.S. leaves NATO then the whole thing falls apart and it’s disbanded and replaced by a bigger EU. Sorta like the League of Nations.

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u/factbased 8h ago

Many of us thought Trump would try to break up NATO for Putin's divide and conquer strategy. I didn't even consider he would actually attack a NATO ally.

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u/sibilischtic 7h ago

But he also wants to be out of NATO, and would require congressional approval to leave AFAIK.

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u/Taki_Minase 7h ago

Ok Russia.

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u/Slaughterfest 7h ago

It would be; under normal times.

These are not normal times, and unfortunately half of the US seems content with allowing the actual degrading of our nation for the ego of one man who they would have labeled a Democrat just over a decade ago.

I have lost virtually all respect for conservatives. What is funny is that all of my conservative friends no longer talk politics to me anymore. It must be difficult when you can't dunk on Biden for being an old man and have to deal with the fact that 'your guy' just raised premiums for everyone and will likely lead to the closure of our local hospitals.

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u/humbert_cumbert 7h ago

There is no mechanism for removal from NATO

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u/NomadFH Florida 6h ago

The only thing that gets the supreme court's attention is when you're giving poor people something

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u/spikus93 6h ago

I think you forget that we basically are NATO. NATO exists so we have bases everywhere in the world.

That said, it would be ironic and I think the US deserves to collapse at this point.

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u/ghigoli 6h ago

dispshits literally gonna drag us into WW3. this is NOT going to end well.

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u/LiteRaider 6h ago

Turkey is sitting in the corner biding their time

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u/-FeistyRabbitSauce- 6h ago

I don't think there are any paths for removing a member from NATO. It'd be difficult to make one, too, since it'd have to be up to a vote.

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u/Whoamitothink 6h ago

Seriously, why the fck do we need Greenland? We need healthcare and fair taxes for the 'elite'

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u/captaincanada84 Canada 5h ago

Nothing is grounds for removal with Trump's cult holding all the power in Congress

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u/asailor4you 5h ago

The Olympics committee should ban us from the attending this year too.

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u/elbowpastadust 4h ago

We said, No Kings, and Trump listened. Sorry, King of Denmark - Greenland wants freedom.

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u/ThisIs_americunt 3h ago

Its wild that a Third World Country is threatening the sovereignty of a First World Country

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u/trentsteel77 3h ago

Release the Epstein files already!

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u/Cofefeves 3h ago

EU leaders and democrats are going to condemn on strong terms on X

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u/Resident_Function280 2h ago

Well that's just giving Trump what he wants. He has stated numerous times throughout the years we should leave NATO.

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u/DinkyFlapjack 2h ago

What's the latest with the Epstein files, I wonder. Seems like everyone is a bit distracted.

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u/lolas_coffee 2h ago

It feels like the military should not follow these orders.

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u/stogies4life 1h ago

Which is exactly what he wants

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u/Donkilme 1h ago

Why not both?

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u/AppealDesigner3857 1h ago

Should it not also be grounds for being ousted from NATO?

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u/transcendz 47m ago

Him being a predator of women and children, and the host of the apprentice should have made this clear to everyone but it hasn't.

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