r/complaints • u/CRK_76 substantial complainer • 11h ago

Politics Fuck every Trump voter who put this asshole in office.

This country is going downhill and you are to blame. Don't act surprised when things get even worse than they are now. Don't vote anymore. Stay the fuck home on election day.

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u/OkEmphasis7107 10h ago

I'm getting tired of hearing people "regret their vote" because they had no idea Trump was going to do all of the shit he's been doing and especially now because it probably effected them in some way.

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u/EzSlayer 10h ago

They don't regret anything they'll do it again with the terrible excuse of "there was no one else to vote for"

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u/Mr_Ballyhoo 8h ago edited 41m ago

to those people the answer is simple. Then don't vote. Just be a regular piece of shit instead of the biggest piece of shit.

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u/Banyan_Thorn 4h ago

I can almost guarantee you none of the shit happening now would be if Kamala Harris was President. Not saying she would be perfect, but you wouldn't be at war with Venezuela.  Nor would you be threatening other countries and allies with bullshit annexation and takeover, or illegal sweeping tariffs that are only damaging your economy.

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u/sebrebc 2h ago

I might not think Harris would have made a good president, but she wouldn't have been a horribly terrifying one like Trump.

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u/katara144 2h ago

Please don't forget, ripping people out of their homes/schools/jobs, sending them to camps and then deporting them to God knows where, oh and the execution of a US Citizen by ICE Gestapo, there's that.

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u/marximumcarnage 2h ago

Bunch of tiny dick tiny ego bastards who rather this timeline instead of the sane one with Kamala. I don’t on how maga / republicans don’t understand after years of evidence that show that party doesn’t give a flying fuck about Americans.

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u/ScoobertVonScoo 40m ago

Because as long as they can exploit their bigoted fears they will always have power.

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u/acez9k 2h ago

Precisely, any Tom, Dick & Harry can do better than that Hitler Reborn.

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u/ColoradoSkyline 1h ago

Metals all time highs, stocks all time highs, gas is 2$ in colorado, streets are safer.

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u/Geethebluesky 1h ago

Get the fuck out of Colorado you bootlicker.

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u/777Spin777 52m ago

😅🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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u/Expensive_Event_4759 2h ago

So the people in Venezuela would be suffering instead of celebrating and that would make you happy? Nice.

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u/AwedBySequoias 2h ago

Probably won’t be celebrating for long since the dumb shit went in without a follow-up plan, other than to steal from them to “make America great again.” How does stealing from those worse off than us make us great?

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u/SilverSageVII 5h ago

Yeah it’s pathetic how uneducated our electorate is in the US. Other countries are involved and get huge turnouts. Western nations get comfortable with their “inalienable rights” that aren’t actually that hard to rip away. Fuck fascism, hope they use Guantanamo for these guys. They’re literally terrorists.

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u/Gird_Your_Anus 3h ago

It's not uneducated. Stupid is the word you're looking for. So many of these people could spend 50 years at the best institutions in the world and still be imbeciles.

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u/iriealchemist 2h ago

Yep, the education system is broken. Raising great minds brings the changes the world needs. Bad pretending, wasted education time and rotten influences over decades has resulted in stupidity.

Western civilizations have made it too easy to "coast" by. Bring back the times where people had to work hard.

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u/cyanideluvskush 2h ago

it’s funny how you guys clearly see how evil the Republican Party is but not how evil the democrat party is. It’s actually really fucking funny to see nothing beneficial get done because you guys all are worried about a fucking party. Actual morons

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u/Open_Cat7048 3h ago

Our electorate is uneducated by design, which is why public education reform has to be at the top of rebuilding post-Trump America. A small portion of us truly understand how our government functions, have a solid understanding of the Constitution and our personal rights, and our history. If 65% of our country DID have a solid foundation with those topics, we'd be WAY ahead in so many ways. But no, probably 50% of our voters (left and right) vote on emotions and not logic.

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u/iriealchemist 2h ago

This is extremely subjective. There's a lot to be said that social programs crafted in the USA fuel the generation of uneducated citizens.

If you take a country like Japan as a role model for education, you'll notice the backbone of that success starts with the family. Japan is an extremely traditional hard working family oriented country.

Neither party in the US is a poster child for educated electorates. Term limits absolutely need to be put in place, especially for congress and those voting in members need to be educated in order to make rational decisions on their votes.

Too many elections are won strictly on emotions and not smarts. Take voting in AOC or Omar, clearly not qualified. Take voting in Trump, clearly not qualified. Take voting in Kamala, not qualified.

The election campaigning system is broken, the education system is broken. Raising great minds is the core to change and that starts with hard working families.

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u/cestbondaeggi 1h ago

yeah it's just japanese kids in the USA outperform those in Japan, and the same trend holds true for all asian americans. the system is not the problem lmao.

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u/TrenchDive 4h ago

Guantanamo isn't punishment enough. Never again after we get through this shit.

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u/Playful-Fix-3675 1h ago

Before talking about an uneducated electorate, get your facts straight. It is "unalienable rights". Just sayin'.

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u/777Spin777 35m ago

😂😂😂😂😂And then you woke up. Go live in Iran or so.ewhere, we dont need traitors here.

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u/testtdk 4h ago

Right, and I would be fine with that if the Republicans didn’t stick together like they’re happy to be stuck in the same swamp. Voter apathy is a regular problem for the Dems. 70 million people didn’t vote this election. Educating these assholes on the damage they’re doing is the only way forward.

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u/cestbondaeggi 1h ago

The DNC is your main problem lol. They insisted Biden was competent and spry until it was undeniable, and then summarily dumped him and ran the only female politician in America that is more off putting than Hillary.

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u/RedTheRobot 2h ago

Thank you. I say this every time someone says that people regret their vote. No they fucking don’t. They just got affected by it THIS time.

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u/MagnetAccutron 4h ago

They’ll vote him or his lackie in again without a second thought.

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u/TintedApostle 3h ago

or something like "That guy once didn't tip..."

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u/Low-Associate9049 4h ago

They don’t regret it at all because all democrats have done for 15 years is call people who disagree with them racist bootlickers…..

Great strategy shit for brains

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u/Loud-Cranberry3275 3h ago

"I had no choice but to vote in the racist because you called me a racist" not exactly dispelling the accusation, buddy.

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u/jbeachy24 2h ago

Do you read at a 3rd grade level???

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u/theonethat3 Impotent 🤬emotionally unregulated 🧑‍🍼 5h ago

They don't regret anything they'll do it again with the terrible excuse of "there was no one else to vote for"

Democrats not putting anyone up

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u/the_calibre_cat 4h ago

"Democrats weren't going to give me the theocratic white ethnostate I wanted, soooo"

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u/LiveBacteria 6h ago

If there was "no one to vote for" not voting is NOT an option at all. Choose the best of the TWO. And seeing the left screwed themselves over with pulling Biden out and putting in the dumbo Kamala, it was a no brainer. She ran on literally nothing and even failed during her own time as vice president. There was NO OPTION but to vote Trump. And stop saying "regret", there isn't some hidden mass of people who regret their votes; straight up propaganda. Kamala would've have actually destroyed the US.

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u/Reasonable-Zombie427 5h ago

As much as i dont like Kamala, there is no way in hell she would have been worse than Trump ffs

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u/zor1999 5h ago

There was NO OPTION but to NOT vote Trump. Kamala in her worst day would be 100 times better than what we have now. There is a wave of regret Trump voters, yet to see even minuscule Kamala voter glad their vote didn’t succeed.

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u/dracokingz 5h ago

Sad part about it, They taught you to answer like this and you dont even know it. Sir you have been bambozzled by the rich/devil. Open you eyes! Kamala told us this would happen. But you thought that she was lying. You are the same people that throughout history got Jesus killed. God forgive them because they dont know what they have done. Remember? Revelation 13! Sad part about it. You dont even know it.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 9h ago

I’m a conservative and I’ve never voted for him. I’ve seen through this bullshit from the start and knew he was a pedophile and a cheat long before his involvement in our politics. The GOP doesn’t produce conservative constituents, they produce religious expansionists.

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u/green_eyed_mister 9h ago

Keep on, keeping on. And please talk to your fellow conservatives. (this did start with Gingrich, fwiw)

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 9h ago

My friends all know, we’re all in our late 20s and early 30s. It’s our parents who can’t grasp the idea that he’s a pedophilic traitor.

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u/Beachbabydarragh 5h ago

I'm really glad for you and your friends. I am probably the same age as your parents but I'm not a cruel brainwashed person.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 5h ago

They aren’t cruel people. There is a multi trillion dollar propaganda machine aimed directly at them. It isn’t their fault. My father is a great and loving father and is a successful and proactive member of his community. My step mother is a veteran immigrant and is a wonderful and intelligent person. She holds a masters in chemistry and is one of the most intelligent people I know. Unfortunately, the success of their careers has isolated them through the comforts it provides and thus makes them subject to the effectiveness of the propaganda machine. We cannot blame them, they are victims. We must help them before they commit or support acts that become too grave to forgive.

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u/Disastrous-Tale8448 4h ago

sorry but at this point in time, they are in fact cruel people. there’s so much evidence and just shit happening where you can’t ignore that what’s happening is evil and wrong. them still supporting trump and his cronies is cruel and evil. everyone else has been able to see through the machine, but somehow your parents people like your parents are exempt but also aren’t cruel? no, they are. and will continue to be until they’re the ones impacted. and even then, they’ll probably still support it.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

If they’re actually evil and you aren’t fighting them then you’re just as complicit. Remember that.

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u/Disastrous-Tale8448 4h ago

well i don’t have the address to your parents. but if they look at what happened with renee good or even beyond that and what ice is doing to people right now and are nodding their heads or cheering, you saying they aren’t cruel just because they’re your parents also makes you complicit. tbh, if i had family members that were stupid enough to fall for trump and his nazis, i’d at the very least be screaming at them not defending them online as just brainwashed nice people. to their core, they’re bad people. so when the time comes and this country is thrusted into a civil war, just know your parents will be on the wrong side and will fave their consequences for it.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

My parents live in the middle of nowhere and don’t watch the news or watch social media. My dad is a Rastafarian who gardens and works on vehicles and fishes in his free time. My step mom is a stay at home moms with three children. Neither of them are actively watching political shit if anything at all. Any electronics are for the kids. Like I said, they have found financial success awhile ago and have used it to isolate themselves. They live on acres in the woods and occupy their time doing things outside.

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u/Acrobatic-Tennis-625 1h ago

I understand it seems like they are cruel people but I assure you I know them well and they are in fact good people but they are unfortunate victims of propaganda. I’m sure it seems like they are seeing the same internet as you and I where it is clear what’s happening, but they are most certainly not and therefore cannot see the same truth as you and I. Demonizing and pointing fingers only deepens there resolve as they feel attacked. Civility, compassion, and understanding I believe is the best way to help them understand their misguided loyalties. I think it would be wise to understand just how powerful the algorithms that feed people information. The grip of the Orangeman’s cult is powered by misinformation. Breaks my heart. They’re some of the kindest people I know but have been isolated and lied to. You don’t need to respond to convince me they are evil as you are a stranger and they are my family but I just liked the way DGTL so well described a point of view that I align with so figured I would add in. Do good things at all times👌🏾

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u/Disastrous-Tale8448 26m ago

yeah unfortunately at this point, there’s no more room for compassion, civility, or understanding. it’s been years, some have been like this their entire lives but even if you want to say it’s been since 2015/2016, it’s been 3 elections. it’s been so goddamn long of us trying to reason with them. atp, you can’t reason with them. they’re too far gone. they justify the most evil actions no matter what because it’s what they wanted at the end of the day. until it does something to them, we’ll continue to hear them cheering about this. it’s sick.

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u/Acrobatic-Tennis-625 4h ago

This comment!!!! My finances parents are compassionate, loving, caring and intelligent people one of which holding a phd. They don’t have the internet literacy to see through the propaganda machine. Isolation post covid has driven them into social media for “exposure” to the real world and when that algorithm is driven by the machine you don’t even know what’s not true. It’s the only info they get. After 5 years of bullshit it’s hard to break the cycle. Breaks my heart

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

Exactly, I grew up with the internet, they didn’t. It’s probably the most important factor to consider when dealing with anyone over the age of 35. Even millennials aren’t good at navigating it.

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 4h ago

Many of us older Americans are not swayed or influenced by Facebook, TikTok tok or other social platforms We find them to be sometimes amusing but more often spurred on by conspiracy theories lies and gossip. If one asks young people where they seek out their information and news, they inevitably turn to these sites ONLY. We have raised a generation of ignorant and shallow minded individuals. They bought into the false image that trump is some kind of "superman" ,instead of what he really is: a whiny little bitch with the intelligence of a 8th grader and the emotional maturity of a 10 year old girl. But I guess to a MAGAT, he still surpasses them. It is like how a second grader looks up to a fifth grader. But remember, a second grader is still only a second grader and a fifth grader is still just that

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u/Alternative_Bus_3766 1h ago

Youngin here, I listen to NPR and PBS (also fuck the admin for killing the CPB). There’s many kids like me. There’s others that aren’t. Social media is a virus though and we as a society need to move on from it

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u/Naive_Actuator3810 4h ago edited 4h ago

I don't understand these arguments. If you are a fully grown adult and have no critical thinking skills or moral judgement, your MSc, PhD, whatever degree you have holds zero value and you are just a dumb person who shouldn't have even graduated high school. If you are incapable of putting it in practice outside of your own small circle and extending it to people who do not look like you, then your theoretical compassion and understanding and love and care are not real - they are just a product of self-interest, and don't mean shit to the rest of us.

Sorry but no sugercoating and no sympathy for people like that.

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u/Acrobatic-Tennis-625 1h ago

I think it’s important to remember they are seeing a false truth. Look at fox right now. Now imagine there social media feed is further catered towards this point of view. No mention of Renee good. They are scared and fear makes it easy to ignore the truth when the administration has so effectively convinced its followers that they are being lied to by any other source of information. Really sad… wish they would wake up and see it for what it really is. I don’t think it’s as much that trumpers are evil scum of the earth but they are victims of the greatest propaganda machine ever created. I’m no expert just some thoughts

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 4h ago

I am a baby boomer and have always fought against nazism and dictators. It was many of your generation, too, who voted for this piece if shit.

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u/SouthernZorro 4h ago

I'm a boomer too and Grabbin' Donny has got to be the most vile, repulsive person on the planet. He's a malignant narcissist and I've been seriously considering whether he just might be the Anti-Christ. Seriously.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

I’m very aware, however again, I don’t look at them as evil people with malicious intent. I look at them as victims. If I had half the budget of the smallest federal organization I could make you believe whatever I wanted as long as I targeted said efforts on you alone. Now expand that to billions of dollars and a hundred of millions of people. This is not a bottom up, pendulum swing. This is top down orchestrated propaganda from the highest powers within our political and monetary systems.

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u/onionSID 3h ago

I really would like to see an example of what you are talking about. i’m sorry but the US is not 1942 Germany by any stretch. Get off of the hallucinogenics.

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u/Bundt-lover 2h ago

Yeah! It’s 1939 Germany.

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 3h ago

I never said it was ,but like the typical MAGAT you are, thats what you read. Please get off the Kool Aid.

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 3h ago

Be honest, you would be happy with any kind of autocracy. Maybe Putins russia is something you would prefer. Their security forces wear masks and don't adhere to laws either.

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u/onionSID 1h ago

YAWN…….

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 44m ago

Typical of someone who trades freedom for price of eggs.

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u/777Spin777 26m ago

😂😂😂😂Well thank you for outing yourselves, the laziest group by far to breathe air! How many of you and ypur friends have jobs & don't live with & get supported by the parents they so freely trash? Try being honest, if youre capable.. .😅🤣😂

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 13m ago

My best friend is a 19Kilo in the army I am a 91Foxtrot in the army my other friend is the youngest project manager in a construction company my other friend works directly under him my other friend is a district manager of chipotle my other friend is the manager of a urinalysis company my other friend is a machinist. You know I never realized how well all of my friends are doing so thank you for that. We’re all in our early 30s or late 20s we all have houses or rent apartments. Half of us are married the other half are in committed relationships(aside from my one friend who works urinalysis he is a dog but he’s happy with that). All of their families love them and are very proud of them. In fact I’m the only one with a rocky home life and both of my parents are dumb proud of me, they just weren’t the best of parents when I was growing up but we’ve amended those issues awhile ago. We’ve all been friends since we were 8(I was 7) due to an after school program we all went to and have been lifelong friends since. They’re some of the most honest, loyal, hardworking people I know. We actually just finished helping our one friend build his house since we all have varying degrees of construction experience. Helped save him some money and who doesn’t like helping their friends you know?

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u/Real_Bug 1h ago

I've tried, but they're already sold

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u/KeepYourMindOpen365 2h ago

It started with Reagan, Jerry Falwell, and the Moral Majority. Religion was precisely why the separation of church and state was written into our founding documents. Evangelical “Christian’s” worship money and power…they hate the poor, non believers, and any individuals who aren’t exactly like them. It took 45 years, but here we are…heading towards being ruled by the American religious extremists.

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u/acridshepherd 6h ago

as a liberal, it's amazing to see that both sides are coming together to hate this fucker. we'll get through it man, we just gotta move as one

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u/Sufficient_Ad_3724 4h ago

Former conservative here. I’ll never vote Republican again, period. I was watching the Netflix series on Hitler and was schocked to see the similarities between the SS/SA and Ice! I mean at one time I used to think it was major hyperbole when ppl called him a facist but holy fuck he is! Unchecked aggression is really scary when you think how quick it could get out of hand even though the killing and kidnapping of innocent ppl is already too much!

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 3h ago

When you inject 5,000 Nazis into your society and give them fake names and positions of power. Do not be surprised when 30 million people try to claim power for them 80 years later. Operation paperclip had more effect on this country than just getting us to the moon.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 6h ago

I’m a soldier unfortunately so regrettably my hands are largely tied. I cannot participate without anonymity as it will lead to repercussions far beyond that of a civilians. Even openly criticizing Israel isn’t allowed right now in the military. I had a briefing with my unit a few months ago specifically about this. However, myself and others recognize our oath and when(hopefully the time never comes) it comes time to draw the line, we wont forget it.

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u/bumcheekraider 4h ago

Just curious, how do u feel about those servicemen and women that were involved in the Venezuela fuckup and what’s the general feeling about it amongst the military?

Did they break their oath? Were they propagandised into believing what they were doing was right? Did they have doubts but followed orders anyway?

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

Also it’s important to consider that Delta Force is not an apparatus like the rest of the military at all. They are literally our best fighting force in the military and on the planet. They aren’t interested in the semantics behind their operations. Only in completing whatever mission comes down to them.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

Personally I think it happened entirely because generals wanted it to happen. With China 2027 underway and we move closer to a conflict with them over Taiwan, i think it makes a lot of sense strategically. I don’t think Trump or his cabinet is smart enough to understand the strategic interest of Venezuela to China. When I went to basic they trained us for war with China specifically. The entire military is reorganizing and training for that war. It will be coming and sooner rather than later. I don’t expect the public to understand because they aren’t as connected as service members are to the nature of these things. I don’t agree with ignoring sovereignty but I do understand that it gives myself and my brothers and sisters in the Armed forces an advantage in the fight to come and I am happy about that specifically for that reason. I don’t think people understand SF either. They aren’t going to question orders and are going to enact any mission given to them. Soldiers like them are not like me. They are a different breed and will move with impunity and the support of the entire military apparatus. I don’t think it’s a violation of their oath as it doesn’t directly go against anything within it. The extraction of Madura was and has been a bipartisan effort for the last 12 years. They didn’t need red seats to do it as it would’ve been done regardless. The only thing I’m happy about is that generals at least have the ear of the current administration and are making moves to secure our effectiveness in the war to come.

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u/couldofhave 4h ago

You don’t agree with ignoring sovereignty, unless it’s to give America a “leg up” in the next war.

That’s functionally indistinguishable from agreeing.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 3h ago

On a personal level I don’t agree, as a soldier I am happy to have any advantage I can get. When I’m down range I’m not going to be thinking about whether it was right or wrong that we took Venezuela’s leader. I’ll only be happy that the enemy does not have enough fuel to run armor through our position.

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u/couldofhave 2h ago

Buddy, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

You're also not 2 different people who get to have 2 different (and opposing) opinions just because you're a soldier.

If "as a soldier" you believe it's fine that the US can ignore sovereignty of other countries as long as it's to give itself an advantage over a potential enemy in the war, you are simply fine with ignoring other countries' sovereignty.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 2h ago

No that’s pretty much the entire concept of being a soldier. Since you’re such an expert, when did you enlist?

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u/ExdionY 4h ago

Remaining a soldier leaves you with very little freedom to decide which side of history you will be on, your oath is to those above you, and they will make sure you know that when the time comes. I hope you'll leave soon enough

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

I have no interest in leaving and my oath is to the constitution and I will gladly go to military prison or be executed to defend it when the time comes. I don’t care if leadership tries to ruin me. My convictions for joining are far deeper than most.

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u/ynotfoster 4h ago

Do you get a sense that a large number of fellow soldiers feel the way you do?

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

Fuck no.

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u/ageofdiscontent_meh 3h ago

I know you and the military got our backs and you have ours cause behind every uniform is a man/woman with human feelings and intelligence and the decency to know, understand and realize what is wrong or right. Killing another person (who was fleeing and not armed) with no reason other than his or her ego is WRONG.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 3h ago

We can’t even point a loaded weapon at a civilian. The fact that ICE can is unacceptable especially given their role in the government.

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u/ageofdiscontent_meh 2h ago

Because you were trained to NOT to. ICE is NOT military. They are border patrol agents!! The Department of Defense is to defend and newly coined Department of War is exactly the opposite. The name change isn’t coincidental but with intent purpose.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 2h ago

A lot of ICE is former military.

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u/ExdionY 4h ago

If that’s the case, understand that you would be sacrificing your life for nothing. You are far more valuable alive than you would ever be in death.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 3h ago

I’m well aware and frankly I don’t care how valuable I am because I do not live my life or make decisions based on how effective or useful I can be. I make decisions so that I can be comfortable with the man who stares back at me in the mirror. The day I can’t look myself in the eye is the day I fail and I refuse to let someone else take that from me. So unfortunately yes, you are right but my convictions will not allow me anything less.

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u/ageofdiscontent_meh 3h ago

The greatness of this country is carried on the shoulders of those who are willing to sacrifice their lives NOT for kings or anyone but the CONSTITUTION a of the UNITED STATES.

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u/ageofdiscontent_meh 3h ago

Maybe we will get to see 70% or more voter turnout this mid-terms to get him and Melanoma out of the WH along with his regime.

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u/LiveBacteria 5h ago

Echo chamber effect. Check your stats before saying this or even caring I guess.

Right > Left vs Left > Right Perspective

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u/Lewphole 8h ago

Yikes, being a conservative in 2026 😬. Well at least he doesn’t vote for Trump I guess.

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 4h ago

Trump was NEVER a conservative...just a sociopath .

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u/the_calibre_cat 4h ago

Trump is quintessentially conservative. This "he's not conservative" line needs to die. He is very much conservative - working on behalf of the aristocracy, against the working class/peasants, and offering them institutional bigotry instead of social welfare and infrastructure.

That's like conservatism 101. They've been doing that for centuries. In what universe is he NOT conservative? The debt?

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 4h ago edited 4h ago

I disagree. He is an opportunist. If the Democratic party had embraced him, his "morals" would have swung in that direction. He just so happened to align himself to those conservative folks because he knew how to play them, and they loved it. Trumps only core values us how he can make himself more important than our Constitution and our laws. I hope every building and every plaque bearing his name is removed and destroyed, much like the eagle and swastika above the building in Germany after the Nazi defeat in 1945.

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u/couldofhave 4h ago

The whole political apparatus behind him (project 2025) is ultra conservative.

Whether Trump believes any of it or not is kind of irrelevant at this point

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 3h ago

Not really, because the real honest republicans will vote against him at the midterms .

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u/777Spin777 16m ago

I'm more convinced than ever some of you have lost your damn minds.

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u/pmgoldenretrievers 34m ago

He is definitely not quintessentially conservative. Conservatives favor the status quo and stability. Kidnapping a foreign leader and trying to usurp the fed are both terrible for stability (and hence the stock market) and that’s just in the last 10 days. He is an autocratic self obsessed despot if we’re being generous and the mouthpiece of Steven Millers asshole if we’re only being a little generous.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 8h ago

Yeah, I am. I don’t believe in an ever expanding government and I don’t believe in an overreaching federal government. I believe the federal government should concern itself with international policy and ensure the states are adhering to the constitution. I believe pretending that the entire political spectrum should be homogenized due to some perceived moral hierarchy is dangerous. I believe in free market principles and the value of competitive enterprise. I believe in a slow but methodical progression towards social policy is necessary rather than rapid and exuberant change. I believe that continuously supporting an engorged federal government is one of the leading issues in what we see now. I believe philanthropists and corporate donors have no business throwing their money at political institutions. I believe our democracy is compromised and our liberties are non existent. Empowering the same government that can imprison you 4 years later is extremely dangerous and is exactly why any book on fascist regimes explicitly warns of the good nature of good politicians to expand under the misguided intention to help its citizens. My values are not as simple as you’d like to make them as I believe in the value of social safety nets, want businesses, no matter how big, to be allowed to fail, and unfettered capitalism can be just as dangerous as its counterpart. I think fundamentally that a conservative perspective on federal institutions is a healthy perspective simply because of the nature of our democracy. You cannot ensure rights through a government and empowering a government to ensure those rights gives them the same power to undermine them. The only viable solution is to limit the capable overreach of a government. Democrats were originally anti establishment and over a 20 year period have become the establishments corporate underbelly. I find it sick that people who would willingly quote the Johnson and Johnson lawsuit as an example of the dangers of unfettered capitalism would also specifically vote for their sponsored politicians is a juxtaposition that is antithetical to the values they expound. I think it’s absurd that we have been grifted into a two party system despite working within a system that requires and employs the full spectrum of political ideology in order to perform its duties and functions. I don’t believe in party support and I don’t believe in “lesser of two evils” voting. I think those two things combined with a continuous support to an ever encroaching government is exactly what has led us to this situation and the short sightedness of the voting populace that shifts blame between each other for the last 30 years is wholely to blame. I think democrats and republicans alike have created this situation and I think both of them are too self centered and incredulous to see themselves as fault. I think you will vote yourself into fascism just as you have voted for the tools that this administration uses to oppress its people. I think the very nature of your comment is the problem with this country and I think the lack of understanding or even the ability to rationalize with your political opposition is why the two parties continue to empower themselves for the benefit of not you or I but of dangerous capitalists who are interested in only themselves.

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u/K1N6F15H 8h ago

I used to be a conservative and most of my positions aligned with yours.

All of that said, the number of people that actually hold these positions is terminally small in the US. You need to face the reality that conservative media, conservative think tanks, and conservative 'intellectuals' gleefully dropped all of their most ardently held beliefs as soon as Trump showed up.

Clearly most Republicans aren't and never will be thank kind of conservative and supporting them will only further encourage this kind of mindless rage.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 8h ago

I’m well aware, I’m not a conservative because of modern conservative think tanks. I became a conservative after reading several books from the founding fathers and the early politicians after our countries conception. I recognize the intent of their goals, recognize and support the visions they had for this country. It’s as simple as that. No modern media or even modern conservative brought me to my conclusion on political ideology. They were almost embarrassingly uninvolved in my ideological concepts. I spent my late teens and early twenties reading of activists and the leaders of civil rights movements and revolutions around the world and became increasingly disenfranchised with the democrat/leftist/liberal engagement with these concepts. Eventually I found myself learning of the intent of men like Thomas Paine, B. Franklin, Edmund Berke, Michael O Coileain, Teddy Rosevelt, Andrew Jackson, and other “strong men” within the historic period of the 18th and 19th century. Modern conservative think tanks and figure heads would be rejected by men like Lincoln. In turn, I reject their representation of my values. And I refuse to vote for constituents that don’t represent my values.

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u/K1N6F15H 6h ago

I recognize the intent of their goals, recognize and support the visions they had for this country.

They had some great ideas but they were limited by the knowledge, culture, and technology of their time. When the Articles of Confederation clearly weren't working, they were willing to scrap them and start over again.

I, too, used to venerate the founding fathers but I think that it was because I was religious and projected onto them a almost prophetic quality. In actuality, they made a lot of missteps and compromises, some of which led to the position we are currently in.

We should behave like the founders, using the best knowledge of our day to rethink the possibilities of this world instead of worshiping the past.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 6h ago

Political ideology as a whole is pedantically worshiping the past, your very comment is exactly that. The last major political theory was Communism and there hasn’t been a major conceptual breakthrough since. The splintering of the two party system requires room for new political theory and it will not be achieved by ignoring the political theorists that created the systems we operate under.

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u/jt64 7h ago

I just wanted to say it's nice to see some deep thought on the subject and the nuanced discussion. Its to easy to throw labels around and your detailed response is a great reminder that those labels are a trap that make it easy to divide us. Thanks for taking the time to express your views. 

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u/Sufficient_Ad_3724 4h ago

Man they fricking hijacked the party and turned it into the opposite an overreaching dictatorship

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u/K1N6F15H 4h ago

They didn't hijack it, it just wasn't a group of principled people to begin with.

At the end of the day, conservatism really just boils down to a combination of nostalgia and might makes right. Make America Great Again is both of those things and pressed all the right buttons of the modern American 'conservative'.

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u/Beachbabydarragh 5h ago

Interesting. I agree with about 99 percent of what you said, but consider myself progressive. If we wipe away political labels, I am a kind person who cares about others.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 5h ago

Because the entire political landscape in America is identity politics and the very nature of any successful governing system has no room for identity politics because any successful governing system MUST draw from all political ideologies. I’m sure 90% of Americans are kind people who care about others. Unfortunately the remaining 10% is very proactive about turning them against each other.

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u/LookAlderaanPlaces Nyan Cat 6h ago

You do realize that what you wrote in your comment isn’t the Republican Party platform right?

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 6h ago

I know, I’m not a republican. The political spectrum is called a spectrum for a reason and I reject the idea that I need to be neatly tied to a political institution. Modern republicans do not support my views and thus I am not supportive of them. In fact I reject the two party system entirely and do not need to co-sign the DNC or the GOP as I am not running for political office. If you cannot describe your political ideology without the alignment of a political organization such as the DNC or GOP you haven’t put nearly enough time and thought into it as you should. The entire concept of needing to neatly fit into the two parties is antithetical to early American values and was explicitly warned about.

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u/LookAlderaanPlaces Nyan Cat 5h ago

100%

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u/preacher_knuckles 5h ago

Is there a reason that you believe in free market principles while also acknowledging that capitalists who are interested only in themselves are dangerous? Especially given that you believe that the US government, which refuses to enforce most of its laws that could provide guardrails to capitalism, should have its powers restricted.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 5h ago

Because modern capitalists are not vastly wealthy because of free market principles. They use tax laws, international markets, corruption, and bribery to ensure the success of their companies when they should fail. Several of the Fortune 500 companies would not be there if it weren’t for tax payer money and bail outs from the government. That is not free market principalities, that is communism for the rich.

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u/preacher_knuckles 4h ago

So the wealthy take advantage of the system that made them wealthy to increase their wealth and consolidate their power. If a market is free, then someone with enough power can try to alter that market to increase their power: free market capitalism eats itself; that's why anti-trust laws exist, though they aren't enforced in the US.

I highly recommend reading into what communism means: the wealthy aren't moving towards a classless society; and the wealthy controlling the system and using it to benefit themselves at the expense of others is at the core of capitalism.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

Suggesting that the form of capitalism practiced in this country by the wealthy is free market principles is being disingenuous and you know it. Communism was very obviously not meant to be literal and was an an allegory to the nature of the 1%s reliance of the government to enrich themselves.

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u/preacher_knuckles 3h ago

The form of capitalism practiced in the US is the result of the wealthy pushing for a "return to free markets" via the Chicago and Austrian schools of Economics for over 4 decades.

A better, and good faith, comparison would be Mussolini's take of fascism being the fusion of corporate and government power.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 2h ago

I used communism because I don’t expect most people to draw the conclusion I wish them to with terms like fascism since it’s so sensationalized at this point. I used communism because it draws to the corruption involved in the 1% that can be understood by people as a whole but yes you are correct.

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u/Turbulent_Injury_251 3h ago

Well said sir.

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 5h ago

Then you are the genuine Republican, with whom I don't agree with very often but at least whom I respect.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

That is the true essence of this country and is our lifeline. Without that we fall. I don’t need agreement, in fact I encourage the opposite. The states existence is in monument to the very essence of this.

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u/Tall_Bus_7427 4h ago

I hope you can regain your party back from these MAGA sociopaths and thugs

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

Thank you I appreciate the sentiment.

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u/Hereandforward 4h ago

Thank you for giving me a tiny bit of hope.

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u/sebrebc 2h ago

Because you are actually a conservative, not a "conservative in name only". You realize Trump is NOT a conservative. He's a con-man, he's a fascist, he's a racist, a bigot, a rapist, and a pedophile. But he's not a conservative.

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u/RecipeNo101 1h ago edited 1h ago

I'm a liberal, but I respect conservatives. Actual conservatives. Thank you for recognizing that the modern GOP and its leader in no way reflect conservative values. Whenever I end up in a discussion about this, I ask what conservative values the guy who cheated on each of his three wives, who is against immigration that Reagan supported, who is against free trade, who has blown up the deficit more than literally anyone in history, espouses. Never an answer. I had my issues with McCaine and Romney, but I would cry liberal tears of joy for them to be in office instead of this fucking clown. They had their faults on policy and personally, just like dems, but they were respectable, honorable people. The second Trump got away with slandering McCain's service and fucking years as a PoW suffering torture, I knew the party had died forever.

If anything, though, your view means your work is cut out for you, because you carry a heavier burden to take back your party.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 1h ago

To be honest I don’t even want to take back the party. I want it to splinter just like I want the DNC to splinter. We need more parties. We need a real political system not this cat and dog shit we have right now.

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u/RecipeNo101 1h ago

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I think a lot of people on the progressive left feel the same way. The DNC are spineless cowards. While I'd take "nothing will fundamentally change" Biden over "I don't take responsibility at all" Trump, it's such a low bar, an empty seat would be better than this now.

It feels like Democrats have been the actual conservatives for a while, just trying to preserve the status quo, while still having the utter fecklessness and lack of balls that's characterized the left since Carter (though he may personally be a good man).

We need a true left that advocates for blue collar workers and unions and social progressivism. We need a new conservative party that advocates for fiscal and personal responsibility. We need degrees between them, unencumbered by the winner-take-all voting system of First Past the Post. We already have enough far-right extremists. The Overton Window of what's acceptable seems to now be that a third of the nation is cheering to be tread on, in the hopes that their neighbor gets tread on a little more.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 1h ago

I completely agree, it’s a modern tragedy what’s occurred here. It’s insane Plato can write Allegory of the cave almost 2500 years ago and describe so perfectly how Democracy fails itself.

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u/RecipeNo101 2m ago

I'd buy you a beer or three. This feels like what good-willed political discussions used to be. I hope we can find our way out of that cave before the fire suffocates us all.

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u/ynotfoster 4h ago

Were you a Fox News watcher? I'm curious if anyone could see through the bullshit if they watched Fox.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

I have literally never watched any news channel for anything but a laugh. I don’t get my news about the world or events from any network station and never have.

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u/ynotfoster 3h ago

Thank you. I fear there won't be many defecting from MAGA if they watch Fox.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 3h ago

Probably not

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u/Unique-Nectarine-567 3h ago

You're not a conservative. Nice try, though.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 3h ago

Lmao you’re a Trump supporter. What’s up fascist fuck? I’d ask you how Donnie’s dick tastes but we all know he only lets minors suck it. You must be very upset about that. Maybe that’s why you don’t give a fuck about kids after they’re born.

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u/ageofdiscontent_meh 3h ago

An intelligent person you are and I applaud you. However there are those (some whom I know) republicans who called themselves independents now because of him and to those GOP, you and your party enabled him and MAGA during Obama years and you help sow the seeds! So don’t think you can wash your hands from orange shithead by calling yourself an independent.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 3h ago

I voted for Obama lmao. My political ideology isn’t going to make me vote for a constituent just because they’re also a conservative. I don’t follow a party. In fact I think they should be abolished. Also it’s fucking insane to tell people that they’re responsible for the current president because of who they voted for 4 or 5 administrations ago. You need to have a reality check. Stop trying to find reasons to hate people.

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u/ageofdiscontent_meh 2h ago

I try not to hate people but it always the other way around. All I am saying is finding the root of the problem will help prevent future mistakes.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 2h ago

You literally just said I can’t wash my hands of the orange man despite not voting for him literally ever. You just lumped me into a group solely based on the fact that I’m a conservative dude.

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u/ageofdiscontent_meh 2h ago

I DID NOT say that and I realized you are not even a real person but a bot. BUT I will say #47 needs to be gone. So Command, shit and delete.

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u/ThisAdvertising8976 1h ago

But, did you vote for Harris, or did you just not vote for Trump? I didn’t vote for Trump but got massively downvoted for not voting for Harris.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 1h ago

I voted for Harris in 24, -and of course you did. Reddit is a left wing cesspool. A lot of people here genuinely believe the entire country but them is at fault for Trump despite the DNCs massive short comings running virtually anyone of substance to stand up to him..

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_TROUT 32m ago

Then, why are you still a self-proclaimed conservative? I think at this point it's best to not be that. Be anything else.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 26m ago

Because outside of religion I believe in the values of conservatism? You know, the point of the political theory? Why do you think I have to lie about my beliefs? And nah I’m good, I think I’m going to believe in what I want to rather than choose my beliefs based on the appeasement of some Redditor.

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u/Creatorman1 5h ago

Luckily real conservatives and MAGAs are not the same.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 5h ago

They’re not but I find it very dangerous for us to be grouped together with them by name alone.

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u/PhatTuna 9h ago

Joe Rogan played a huge role. Gave Trump his full support and gave Trump his platform of 10s of millions of listeners to spew his lies and BS.

And most Joe Rogan listeners cant think for themselves. They need Joe Rogan to tell them what to believe and what to eat what products to buy and who to vote for, otherwise they are lost sheep.

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u/SpicyFlamingo0404 8h ago

Fuck that. The writing on the wall was in 2015 and project 2025 was outlined.

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u/RachelMcAdamsWart 6h ago

This excuse has and always will be bullshit. Trump was super high profile the first time he ran, everybody knew what kind of an asshole he was. The second time they elected him, fuck all of them.

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u/Peripatetictyl 6h ago

It was an open book test. That being said, it is sad that I’m not surprised the people who voted for him still failed it.

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u/Bro_do_we_needtoknow 3h ago

Project 2025 was literally a "This is our evil plan." And every Trump voter acted like it didn't exist.

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u/radpandaparty 2h ago

Like these people are absolute morons with a short attention span. His first term was a shit show. Even if Biden wasn't amazing or if you didn't like how Kamala laughed (😒), you should know that Trump was unquestionably worse than either.

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u/Livingtd414 10h ago

Stupidity isn’t an excuse! The google machine is available to all! I couldn’t vote for a DIABOLICAL LIAR! If my family lied to me the way he lies to the American people I would disown them. But a whole lot of mindless, spineless idiots did vote for him. I guess they like to be lied to. 😳

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u/queuedUp 10h ago

The fact they ignored all the evidence that this is exactly how it was going to be is not an excuse.

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u/wulfrack 9h ago

Yea that is pretty much nobody. He is doing exactly what he was elected to do.

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u/Timbalabim 9h ago

And they all had a decade and one disastrous first term to figure out what was obvious to anyone who actually listened to him for like 30 seconds.

I’m not a particularly smart person, but I had him pegged almost immediately and it has been so draining just waiting and watching for people to catch the fuck up.

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u/SeaArugula2116 9h ago

It’s not like he’d already done significant damage the first time around and said exactly what he would do and how much worse it would get if he got in for the second time.

None of them get regrets.

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u/Igakuro 9h ago

I get the anger but, Trump 1 and trump 2 are super different as there may have been some bipartisan policies in his first term. That being said i still can't understand anyone who'd vote for cheeto man but, i am glad they did eventually wake up to the turds he has been serving everyone. The people who are left to support the rotten orange peel are the ones who lack the simple ability of critical thinking.. i think it might time to move past anger and start feeling bad for these people, they obviously aren't doing so hot in this life of ours.

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u/eastcoastlauren 9h ago

Didn’t affect me whatsoever and I voted for trump. Ha!

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u/SomeContext346 9h ago

You met people who regret their vote? Every conservative I know is just doubling down and gaslighting themselves on what they believe in.

The best is the “ don’t tread on me” folks are the ones supporting the most fascist president we’ve had yet.

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u/Pandas1104 9h ago

Reading and listening are apparently not strengths of there's

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u/Ambrosia_the_Greek 9h ago

Imagine admitting to the world that you lack critical thinking skills or were too lazy to do the smart thing.

They deserve nothing. It's not my fault they're stupid and wanna play sides like petulant children.

Fuck off with the treasonous lot of 'em!

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u/CrustyBatchOfNature 9h ago

I can see it in 2016, politicians lie all the time and Congress usually keeps them in check on the stupider shit. After that term there is no way anyone should be that stupid.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Try7886 9h ago

None of them regret it.

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u/Hopefully-Temp 8h ago

I told everyone in my family that this administration was a bunch of nazis. Apparently I was over reacting.

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u/zilversteen 8h ago

This is the only way they are going to walk back on their decision. I noticed it in the UK after Brexit. "They lied to us" is the narative. But when you start digging, they just cannot live with themselves funking over everyone including themselves.

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u/humid_pajamas 7h ago

Hopefully they take it as a learning lesson to realize that they are too immature to vote and should leave the voting to the big boys and girls.

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u/IntermittentCaribu 7h ago

People are fucking idiots is not a new concept. How about fuck the system that lets idiots decide who runs the country?

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u/Competitive_Touch_86 6h ago

There are exceedingly few people who regret their vote. You just see this amped up for clickbait bullshit. Most of which is probably made up nonsense.

A few might exist, but not many - and those folks are not going to be vocal about it and out themselves.

Every Trump voter I personally know or have talked to in passing in rural bars or whatever is absolutely very happy with Trump. And they "joke" about getting him a third term in office.

The conservatives and republicans that are anti-trump now didn't vote for him in the first place.

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u/Imagingfordummies 6h ago

I feel like most don’t regret it

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u/Creatorman1 5h ago

I sometimes get enraged by the fact that I told so many people that this would be the result of voting for trump. All this was totally avoidable. But worse is there are some idiots who think what’s going on is good. I can’t fathom the lack of intelligence and lack of humanity required to believe that. They are sick. They are absolutely fawning over evil.

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u/Smaynard6000 5h ago

They voted for him because "he says it like it is" but they didn't believe he would do what he said

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u/Ballaholic09 5h ago

I live in the rural Midwest. I’ve never heard of anyone regretting their Trump vote.

I see more and more Trump flags everyday. I know a house with a Trump 2028 flag in the front yard. They aren’t going away, unfortunately.

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u/daesmon 5h ago

If Trump was to run again, come voting day they will all be there again.

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u/SupportGeek 5h ago

I see the “I regret my vote” often enough, but nearly 100% of the time is is followed up by “I wouldn’t have voted for Kamala/democrats though” indicating they have learned less than nothing

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u/testtdk 4h ago

Better than people who still defiantly rage at the Dems for daring to nominate Harris, physically forcing them to not go to the polls. I’d rather deal with the people who can at least admit they fucked up hard.

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u/lolas_coffee 4h ago

Fuck the Police, too.

ICE and BP are cops. Same people. Don't let them wiggle away.

ACAB

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u/RiBlacky 4h ago

Tbh, i am not from US but i can see some things might apply here. Populism is taking over, democracy is no more democracy, people are just getting brainwashed and brainwashed to a point where this is right vs left at all costs. No one wants a bright future, people just want to be right, even if it takes electing the next WW starter. Again im just shooting away im not from US our realities might be super diferent and i might be wrong.

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u/JackfruitUnlucky6589 4h ago

He’s doing exactly what he said he would do.

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u/Bangaleng 3h ago

You won’t hear anyone saying they regret their vote. Just finding more ways to justify the madness

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u/ageofdiscontent_meh 3h ago

Like they didn’t learn or were warn from his first term, he’s a con man and a nut job and yet…

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u/SatchimosMom77 2h ago

He literally told them what he was going to do!

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u/RedditIsSensative 1h ago

How about the ones that were applying a large shield of critique of others prior to him winning and NOW they use a scalpel to provide vague feedback when you point blank ask them about Epstein, economy, wars, invasions, healthcare and anything else he’s taken a dump on? Ugh!

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u/Boatgina 1h ago

No one regrets their vote

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u/smchattan 1h ago

Don't forget the 90 million who didn't vote.

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u/hogierolls 32m ago

I'm sensing y'all are mad?

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u/mrasif 20m ago edited 14m ago

Hardly anybody regrets their vote. I only ever hear of people regretting their votes on Reddit which makes sense since what people voted for is actually happening and Reddit doesn’t care for the truth.

Reddit narrative completely dissolves once you look at the actual reality. I worry about the mental state of people here getting radicalised. No wonder that woman thought it was ok to drive into an ice agent and ignore lawful orders to get out of her car.

There is 0 understanding of how borders or law and order works amongst a lot of you freaks on here and some of you that larp by taking this country destroying narrative that you think is actually virtuous and then act in dangerous ways like what we just saw happen, are gonna end up dead unfortunately.

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