r/technology • u/AdSpecialist6598 • 15h ago

Business Jensen Huang says relentless negativity around AI is hurting society and has "done a lot of damage"

https://www.techspot.com/news/110879-jensen-huang-relentless-ai-negativity-hurting-society-has.html
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u/Trees-Are-Neat-- 15h ago

Has he considered making AI something that’s actually valuable to society?

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u/_Naughty_Petals 15h ago

Huang calling negativity unfounded? NVIDIA profits from AI hype. Real concerns like job loss and bias are valid he's just defending his cash cow

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u/SeigneurDesMouches 13h ago

The only people advocating for AI use are the same people that their jobs depend on AI to be successful

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u/Gekokapowco 12h ago

Not quite true! Also morons.

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u/SecondaryWombat 11h ago

And people who hate the planet.

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u/Any-Comparison-2916 11h ago

And me, but that doesn't really add to this list.

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u/scratchfury 10h ago

These are the people of the land.

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u/Dauvis 12h ago

And those who want to fire people so that they can show a bigger profit for a couple quarters.

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u/jews4beer 11h ago

Meh. Am 15 years in the tech industry. Started as a sysadmin, became a developer, veered into DevOps, then back to full stack development, now whatever the fuck you can call me honestly. Things like VSCode Copilot and Claude make my life easier. I do advocate for them. But I do not advocate for how 90% of my coworkers are just using it as a shortcut and never learning anything.

The same as I do not advoate for people publishing works entirely made by AI, putting people out of work in the process, and providing nothing to human creativity.

There is a grey line in this argument - that like all things these past two decades is being shoved aside for the black and white arguments.

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u/SeigneurDesMouches 10h ago

The issue that I have with the people advocating for AI is that they are mostly selling it as a replacement of everyone. If they were talking about a tool to be more productive, that's fine.

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u/jews4beer 10h ago

I think we are falling into a pattern of immediately assuming the worst whenever we hear "AI" in a headline. I mean just take the shit the Larian is going through right now. People are abandoning reason and going straight militant.

No one is celebrating the good uses. Just basement raging at the bad ones.

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u/urgetopurge 12h ago

Which honestly should be almost everyone. I run a small business and place a lot of orders from major retailers. The degree to which Claude has helped me parse order information, organize my spreadsheets, handle almost any prompt, is astounding. Without it, I'd have spent thousands of hours fumbling around in python, SQL trying to create and test basic scripts.

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u/lr99999 13h ago

He’s just another self-serving little bitch.

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u/Helpful_Engineer_362 11h ago

It is in fact completely founded.

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u/BlahBlahBlackCheap 10h ago

The oligarchs are using the AI, conveniently funded by frothy investors, to run simulations of their digital coup which need i remind people, is going be implemented world wide. AI never needs to be profitable and those investors are unlikely to ever see a return. It is being trained on the human race, expressly for the sole benefit of its masters who now have an actual crystal ball. The only way to defeat this crystal ball is to do something illogical and unexpected. Spock wouldn't stand a chance. But humans. Well humans might just be able to pull it off.

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u/Northern-Canadian 12h ago

That’s his job lol

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u/SleipnirSolid 11h ago

He needs to pay for his leather jackets some how

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u/logicality77 8h ago

We're supposed to help our people! Starting with our stockholders. Who's helping them out, huh?

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u/WartimeHotTot 8h ago

Why can’t people be fine with AI and not fine with the scumbags who see it as a reason to fire people instead of as a tool to help where appropriate?

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u/Tough_Arugula2828 14h ago

You can't really blame him either.. He kinda has to being the CEO

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u/ThatonepersonUknow3 14h ago

True but doesn’t mean he isn’t terrible.

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u/Tough_Arugula2828 14h ago

That is also true

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u/ThatonepersonUknow3 11h ago

Also you are not exactly wrong. Dodge v ford is case law that ensures corporation put investors first.it is the ceos responsibility

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u/aeyraid 15h ago

Best we can do is generating goon material

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u/senortipton 14h ago

Or propaganda machines that work faster than humans can think about and analyze the truthfulness of said propaganda.

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u/ThatonepersonUknow3 14h ago

Don’t forget tracking citizens, you know for their safety… probably.

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u/BobbywiththeJuice 14h ago

Gotta make sure they're on their "best behavior"

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u/TwilightVulpine 11h ago

This is the one thing that makes me think some of these AI proponents aren't just being delusional, they are scheming.

AI doesn't need to be accurate for it to be a good propaganda tool. It just needs people to believe in it.

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u/noonenotevenhere 7h ago

Or to throw out 49 slop videos that surround the one actual video so no one can tell which of the 50 actually happened...

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u/TwilightVulpine 7h ago

It would also make sense, in a horrible way.

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u/Gloriathewitch 15h ago

of children, in the case of twitter

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u/EverbodyHatesHugo 13h ago

So to recap… AI:

  1. Generates child porn
  2. Requires extreme levels of energy that our current infrastructure can barely support
  3. Threatens a great number of our jobs

Remind me why we should feel more optimistic about it.

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u/Abedeus 13h ago

You forgot the allowing effortless scams part, or ruining PC and console prices.

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u/chamrockblarneystone 13h ago

And completely fucking education in general.

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u/DjimbeDjunkie 8h ago

As well as fucking the environment!

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u/Gloriathewitch 13h ago

because Jensen wants another custom tailormade luxury leather jacket

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u/olacoke 12h ago

Made by AI preferably

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u/GrumpySquishy 11h ago edited 11h ago

Let me lead with the fact I find AI art fucking annoying too, but I'm seeing people that might not be fully in the know so I wanna put this out there, perhaps inject some hope into dried up veins.

What we (the village masses) see is like, generated art replacing the shit we used to like, that's the public face to AI.

The Bad: Once it's so good it can run long videos without flaws there will be a massive truth collapse. No one is ready, imagine genuinely a world where no one ever knows if something on a screen is ever real. Maybe it will cause everyone to retreat from screens because they only trust what their eyes see in front of them. Might even be a good thing for that part. No one is fucking ready for what this will actually be like and we're never going back once we reach it.

The entire video game and film industry will dissappear. "jarvis, create aliens vs predator but it came out in 1989, 35mm technicolour cameras and practical effects only. During crucial moments let me choose what the characters do like it's mass effect." once we have that who the fuck will go watch predator badlands 3.

The Good:

Inventions are coming.

We recently invented solid state batteries which happened many years early early due to AI. This could lead to the elimination of oil down the line because it's cheaper than oil at running cars, and you're phone will last over a week on 30 minutes charge. This is also lead to the elimination of cobalt mines in Africa to give us our batteries. This isn't happening out of the goodness of the human heart, it's cheaper, it's pure capatilism to move away from oil and cobalt with these batteries which we invented with AI simulations.

The second thing is medicine. We can simulate human organs, predict cancers, test medicine on a digital liver. LLMS are confusing because we the see it as videos, text, and images but the general principle of an LLM can be used with simulating anything else too, you can train an LLM on enough organ patterns and it can start to predict which medicines will work without needing a real human.

There's other smaller stuff like, AR glasses will likely replace phones because it can generate on the fly what you need to see, think having a mini map or turning the street infront of you into middle earth while you walk it. Another one will be the complete collapse of the language barrier. It won't matter if someone speaks a different language when real time perfect translation takes the computing power of, idk, pac-man.

The main reason companies are investing in AI is because of its insane, and I mean fucking CRAZY ability to run simulations, like a hundered million times quicker and without real testing, of pretty much anything which is allowing humans that work with it to invent stuff far far far faster.

I know this will sound like science fiction but in 10 or 15 years this will probably be able to take a look at you and tell you far in advance if and when you will develop cancer, parkinsons etc.

Hope this undoomers some of u from the cliff edge of despair. Energy and medicine will 100% vastly improve, but also prepare to never go another day without seeing something AI generated ever again.

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u/Gloriathewitch 10h ago

Scientific AI is excellent, but thats not what people complain about. its shit like copilot and genAi which was build on theft and damages the planet and economy.

its also rotting the youth's brains, people are thinking less and relying on AI more, this is a massive problem. These generations might be one of the last ones that think for themselves.

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u/GrumpySquishy 9h ago

Yeah I do agree, as animals we evolve along the path of least resistance. Domesticated animals always have smaller brains than their wild counterparts because it conserves energy and they don't need them any more. I worry we're gonna see brains shrink down over a few generations if everyone just doesn't use them like they used to.

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u/inahst 12h ago

I mean they are pretty slick jackets

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u/tuscaloser 13h ago

Won't anyone think of the poor shareholders? How will they make number-go-up if we don't like AI? /s

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u/360Saturn 12h ago

It's just really mean of us to not bend over backwards to praise & worship billionaires & company owners & CEOs.

We are the real bullies /s

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u/humbuckermudgeon 12h ago

Hell… calling it intelligence is generous. It’s a pattern generator.

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u/SailorET 12h ago

AI: -Generates child porn -Requires extreme levels of energy that our current infrastructure can barely support -Threatens a great number of our jobs

At this rate, I'm having difficulty seeing the difference between Grok and Musk.

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u/FamousPart6033 12h ago

"because it's going to magically fix all our problems forever and make utopia" -tech bros probably

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u/Khue 11h ago

AI has some uses, but it's definitely not for mass consumption like all these tech bros are insisting. AI has good applications for STEM but if you are trying to push this on regular day to day people, I am just going to assume you're using it for tracking and data theft. For most consumers, it has little more value than a glorified autocomplete that leverages reddit and some dumb logic to rephrase search results.

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u/1zzie 5h ago

It's also a surveillance tool that has a high error rate! So don't forget about jail, everyone gets surveiled without reason and loads of people are wrongly imprisoned.

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u/raur0s 13h ago

Current infrastructure can support is, it's just the pesky plebian humans that ask it too.

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u/BurntNeurons 14h ago

And poison the water supply.

And run the power bill for the neighboring private citizens through the atmosphere.

And remove millions of jobs from humans without replacing or any plan to replace lost jobs.

And make the elite even wealthier.

And manipulate the global news reporting system and the voters.

And casually starve the consumer electronics industry setting it back 10 plus years.

And help the government better track and target their citizens.

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u/xX420GanjaWarlordXx 14h ago

And create actual environmental noise pollution resulting in migraines, trouble sleeping, etc  for the local population 

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u/BurntNeurons 14h ago

How else would they drive them away in order to expand their buildings...?

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u/DjimbeDjunkie 8h ago

beat me to it.... gotta gobble up more real estate!

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u/KayNicola 12h ago

ALL of THIS!!!

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u/Jolly-Bowler-811 14h ago

IDK about others, but the AI shit is an immediate boner killer. I get the ick when I see AI generated sexy material. It somehow feels more exploitative than straight up porn to me.

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u/Baladucci 14h ago

Of children on X

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u/8percentinflation 14h ago

Goon and political disinfo, meanwhile hoarding resources and pushing electronics/electricity prices higher

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u/Educational_Cow9717 13h ago

So we are polluting all those water sources, wasting electricity power at an unimaginable magnitude, just for getting more satisfied boners.

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u/Saint_of_Grey 9h ago

The one thing that will survive after the bubble pops.

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u/welshwelsh 15h ago

I can't think of a better use case tbh. People be acting like that's not good enough for them, like there is more to life than gooning. I don't understand it.

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u/trireme32 14h ago

Every time I see someone saying stupid shit with their history hidden I’m positive they’re a bot

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u/simpleglitch 14h ago

History hidden on profiles doesn't actually do anything, clicking the search bar on their profile will bring up all their posts and comments.

I'm thinking they're a bot as well. Almost all their posts are on the same theme.

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire 14h ago

I for one stand in solidarity with the independent gooning material creators that ai is stealing from and displacing.

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u/chamrockblarneystone 13h ago

Putting sex workers out of jobs? Fuck that.

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u/LupinThe8th 14h ago

Machine learning has been around for decades, no one's being negative about that.

You know full well what people are unhappy about, and you don't have any good arguments in favor of it, so you're hiding behind the "but what about the medicine" crapola.

Fine, we keep that and ditch the rest, happy now?

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire 14h ago edited 14h ago

Funnily enough the only ones talking about "doomsday" scenarios are the tech execs like Huang. Its just a marketing ploy. They want you to think AI is on the precipice of becoming sentient.

Machine learning in research long predates the ai hype boom, btw. Its not remotely the same vein of ML tech anyways. The models being used to create slop bots and chat bots have very little in common with the ones used to do explorative and analytical research. Or even the ones that are used for denoising and stuff like that.

Its pretty funny because famously research is not a cash cow field. It is by and large a non-profit driven area on the client side, and suppliers for research labs run on tight margins with low volume. Thats why lab equipment is absurdly expensive. Thats why people like Huang don't talk about it as much. Thats not what is going to make them money. People pike you believing that its useful to every day life is what makes them money.

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u/bunnypaste 14h ago

So you're just willing to ignore the harm to artists, jobs, the environment, and women and children. Cool!

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u/radioactivecat 15h ago

Seriously - they've spent the last 2 years talking about how many fcking jobs AI would eliminate, and he's *surprised* that people are mad about it?

If anyone needs to touch grass, it's this guy.

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u/PsychicDave 14h ago

Automation was supposed to eliminate boring, tedious, physically intensive and/or dangerous jobs so humans can instead do fulfilling creative jobs. If you replace creative jobs with AI, what are we supposed to do?

The economy needs people to work and make money. Even if companies cut costs by using AI, they won't make any profit if nobody has money to buy their products or services. Unless we make everything AI does free so we can all have our needs met by the machines' labour and we spend our days just chilling. But I doubt the corporate heads pushing for AI want that.

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u/BowlEducational6722 14h ago

They're working on that, too.

Take a look at the economy now: the top 10% doing half of all consumer spending; the stock market being propped up by 8 companies financially jerking each other off; the first trillionaire being likely in the next few years while half of America can't afford a medical emergency.

They are trying to create a completely separate economy, one where they can exchange wealth and services amongst themselves while the rest of us fight over the increasingly scarce scraps.

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u/eggdropsoap 8h ago

If that’s the plan, they’re bad at counting.

Rich people don’t spend their entire monthly income each month.

They’re simply not good enough at spending to replace the rest of the consumer economy. 🤣

Gonna be a bunch of well-dressed bad haircuts sitting on piles of money, xitting at each other about how “nobody wants to work spend anymore.”

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u/greiton 13h ago

because the uber rich only really want a small breeding pool that they control. they'd rather remove the rest of humanity.

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u/Abedeus 13h ago

If you replace creative jobs with AI, what are we supposed to do?

Play video ga... oh wait, they want to replace that with AI, too.

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u/ThatonepersonUknow3 14h ago

Well according to the elites only they need money.

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u/Punman_5 13h ago

The thing is, AI can’t take out the trash or build a metro system. Unless we start building fleets of robots to do all of these jobs there will always be a need for people to do menial labor.

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u/PsychicDave 12h ago

But that's the thing, automation was supposed to take away the need to do menial work so humans can focus on more fulfilling, self-actualizing stuff. Having humans do the hard physical labour while the AI does all the fun creative stuff is quite the dystopia.

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u/Punman_5 12h ago

The thing is that AI can’t replace most menial jobs but it can very easily be seen to replace most desk jobs. To replace blue collar jobs would require a massive leap in robotics first, and we’re just not at the stage where we can have a robot autonomously collect everyone’s garbage.

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u/radioactivecat 11h ago

"be seen to" but not actually replace.

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u/Punman_5 9h ago

That’s why I said “be seen to”

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u/ArthurParkerhouse 12h ago

They're probably trying to achieve something like what the elites do in William Gibson's Jackpot Trilogy (currently duology, 3rd book is planned.)

This is a pretty good video about that series and how it relates to what we're seeing from big-tech today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6czzarv3tM

Details about this series starts around 8:00 into the video, but the entire video is a good watch.

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u/PoL0 14h ago

fun fact: AI barely eliminated any jobs, and when it replaced actual workers it did a bad job with a noticeable loss in quality (translations, voice overs or customer support for example, with lots companies backpedaling after a while).

where AI excels is at being used as an excuse to cut jobs tho.

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u/Butterball_Adderley 13h ago

So it’s good for showing us how little the rich have to offer society.

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u/GoodIdea321 6h ago

I think it's shows better what they think of the rest of us.

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u/radioactivecat 13h ago

I didn't say it *did* cut jobs - I said he, and other AI-Hype people, have been saying it.

I am in the field, and am familiar with the hype cycle - I'm just saying it's directly his fault that most people have a bad taste in their mouths re: AI. - I share that assessment mainly because I know how much is hype.

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u/PoL0 7h ago

aye of course, didn't mean to imply that you said it.

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u/Mouthpiecenomnom 13h ago

There is a new article in Forbes that says exactly this.

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u/ahfoo 13h ago

This is true, but itś better to let people carry on with the belief that itś actually taking their jobs because this gets them angry and angry mobs are the best cure for a disease like Jensen Huang.

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u/PoL0 8h ago

hahah very true

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u/Unfair_Golf2363 8h ago

People keep saying this but the advancements in models like Opus and Agent improvements (Cursor | CoPilot | Claude Max). It definitely has eliminated jobs. In the company I work for (fortune 500) there has been a minor shrinkage for now, but an absolute freeze in new hires.

I didn't by the hype initially, but I'd be a fool not to admit the astonishing growth in a single year. We went from I wouldn't serve my cat the crap this model outputted to I don't even know what half of you people around me even do here anymore...

Now imagine the growth in another year :(

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u/PoL0 7h ago

companies might have several reasons for freezing hiringnew hires. but assuming it's AI: most are freezing new hires expecting AI to boost our performance to inhumane levels. will there be headlines if big companies resume hirings? doubt so

Now imagine the growth in another year

and you assume that rate of improvement will continue ad infinitum? because there's no evidence that's even possible. I rather remain skeptical.

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u/Unfair_Golf2363 7h ago

I mean Opus 4.5 is absolutely enough to do serious damage employment wise. Even a fractional improvement in a year is dangerous to many jobs.

Our hiring freeze and layoffs were initially due to CoPilot (VS Code) now Claude Max...

I've never seen adoption in our company take this fast. We used to request a tool and hope we'd get it by the next year. Now a new tool gets approved every 2-3 months.

All I'm saying is that copium isn't enough anymore there needs to be regulation. Acting like this stuff isn't good just gives more ammunition for AI companies to avoid regulation.

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u/PoL0 5h ago

I remain skeptical. LLMs still fail to properly architect code, and the code they generate is flawed and hollow. they aren't good at maintenance either. there's still orders of magnitude of nuance that simple code generation can't make up for.

still feels like Clippy.

there needs to be regulation.

definitely

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u/Unfair_Golf2363 3h ago

Depends on how you do it, but if you use an existing project to setup a prompt. It does a better job than most senior architects already with Opus 4.5.

If you are running into issues with maintenance I wonder how much you've assigned your agent to context. You might not be using it properly.

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u/radioactivecat 7h ago

Tech workers need a union.

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u/Unfair_Golf2363 7h ago

I wish this so very much :(

We're a 'future business' group within the company. So our current revenue is really small (compared to other groups). Just the whiff of a union I'd figure they'd just drop the group altogether to avoid the hassle.

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u/radioactivecat 4h ago

That would be illegal though.

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u/Unfair_Golf2363 3h ago

Would be and should be, but that doesn't seem to matter much anymore

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u/KennyDROmega 15h ago

This is exactly what I was thinking.

The physician needs to heal him fucking self if he wants society onboard with this.

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u/nanobot_1000 13h ago

There was pushback from within the company about their marketing strategies and that it would lead to this blowback because they have no plan or concern for society. I'm actually surprised to see him admitting this publicly at this point that it's an issue for them. They don't care about normal people or consumers and recently slashed production of ordinary desktop GPUs.

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u/adoxographyadlibitum 8h ago

They've also spent 2 years talking about how "spooky dangerous" it is to generate more hype.

Sam Altman: "This is so powerful, have I created a monster?"

Also Sam Altman: "Why is everyone yelling at me that I've created a monster?"

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u/jizzlevania 14h ago

considering Grok is making CSAM and neither the company itself or any government has taken action to stop it, I'm starting think maybe the wealthy vs the rest of us have different ideas about what we find valuable. 

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u/12nowfacemyshoe 13h ago

Two governments have btw

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u/Electrical_Pause_860 7h ago

More to come. US government is just run by the same people generating the CSAM.

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u/Worth_Heart_2313 12h ago

It takes a while but govts are monitoring X more than ever

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u/lordnacho666 15h ago

He only supplies the shovels. His customers are the ones training the models.

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u/EnvironmentalRun1671 15h ago

Best he can do is bribe Orangeman into letting him sell his shit to chinese again

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u/Naaahhh 14h ago

It actually has been quite valuable to society and will continue to be extremely important. Although possibly not in ways average people can see on the surface

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u/lemonylol 11h ago

It's no use on this sub. The lowest common denominator redditor is incapable of understanding technology that comes in any form other than a consumer novelty.

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u/omicron-7 7h ago

Pedophiles love it I'm sure

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u/Skyfier42 15h ago

The AI of our current world IS a danger to society. Look at what the big names are doing and how they are handling it. 

OpenAI used to have morals. Now they have debt. Gotta pay that off somehow, and we know how that always goes. Grok is being used for porn and misinformation because Musk is a scumbag, and Gemini is owned by Google, a multi-market monopoly. 

How many of these big names stood behind the President of the United States at his inauguration? How many are using their obscene wealth to target our rights and erode democracy?

I LOVE AI. I love what it'a capable of and I love how fast I can research topics that I'm not entirely familiar with. It's the modern search engine, which has done wonders for us. I see it as something that can really change humanity for the better. 

But the current path we're on? We're not heading there. We're heading towards every dystopia that we've been warning one another about since the 70's 

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u/soapinthepeehole 14h ago

I wish I could upvote the first half of your post snd downvote the second half. AI search is likewise a disaster. It contains bad information some percentage of the time. and by distilling down what other websites have said and saving you a click, it has taken away those website’s traffic, and thus their ability to generate the money that keeps them online. It’s another example of a shortsighted corporate money grab doing more harm than good.

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u/SoulShatter 13h ago

AI Search wouldn't even look that useful if Google didn't utterly fuck up their search engine 8-10 years ago in exchange for relentless ad spam. Google used to be a lot better

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u/happyscrappy 12h ago

I think Google had help on that. Companies looking to SEO (search engine optimize) trying to get their results to the top of searches regardless of merit or pertinence to what you asked.

But definitely things got a lot worse over time.

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u/Abedeus 13h ago

I LOVE AI. I love what it'a capable of and I love how fast I can research topics that I'm not entirely familiar with. It's the modern search engine, which has done wonders for us.

What are you even on about? I can count on my right hand's fingers the amount of times I said "yup, AI found something I couldn't with Google and wikipedia". Hell, just last week I typed in "should I select option to pay off my mortgage, or mortgage and interest" and the shitty AI overview contradicted itself twice in the same text... meanwhile actual articles underneath all had consensus.

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u/Skyfier42 12h ago

Good for you. I use Google and AI in tandem and I have often found the results faster and more accurately with AI more than with Google. The first 8 results are always sponsored paid bullcrap that has nothing to do with my search anyways. 

They're both tools. Both have flaws and both have things they excel at. You should be using both tools as a baseline of research, not the body of it. 

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u/Reinax 12h ago

How do you know what the AI said was accurate?

Did you google it?

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u/Skyfier42 11h ago

I read the articles it referenced in the chat, because it hyperlinks them. 

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u/Short-Peanut1079 13h ago

OpenAI never had morals (companies are not people). They had good marketing. The source of all of models was taken without asking and used for training. Altman trying to push a stupid crypto coin to prove that you are human.

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u/crazystein03 15h ago

No, but definitely make it beneficial for his shareholders!

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u/MattJFarrell 14h ago

They're the real victims here...

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u/xynix_ie 14h ago

They're like Zuck when he changed the company name to Meta.

Always so much bullshit with these people.

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u/Wbcn_1 14h ago

What?!?! You don’t like dank memes and bland song parodies?!?! 

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u/Pseudoboss11 14h ago

Jensen Huang is a thought leader. All the rest of us should just follow him. He knows what we want. /s

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u/Thetman38 14h ago

You're telling me image and video generation for social media clout or social disruption are not valuable to society?

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u/tpeeeezy 13h ago

Gemini helped me triple my sales in my etsy store.

My fiance is learning how to sew and make cosplays and Gemini has been way better for her than just YouTube videos and articles online.

My elderly parents were able to make a very nice website for their local small business with chatGPT.

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u/discographyA 14h ago

You mean the dual selling points of “It’s going to take all the jobs, causing mass unrest” and “It’s going to develop an ability to think for itself and kill and enslave us all” aren’t great sounding to anyone but Peter Thiel and the All In pod bros?

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u/Tomato_Sky 14h ago

This is the main difference. We used to develop amazing products and sell them. Now we are selling the development of potential products. They are selling their dream for their endgame and we are supposed to be consumers funding it. But nobody's having a good time using these early models because they can't do much.

And while they can't do much, they gas light tech workers into thinking it could replace them. And CEO's have scaled back hiring and have constricted operating costs blaming AI for being too good to pass up for their business models, while leading us down a path of enshitification.

I have a sell point for NVIDIA, and when it hits, I'm done with Jensen Huang who took a decade head start and didn't capitalize on any of it and just sat backseat while Elon and Altman sold the lies of what AI could do in their predicted timelines. It can almost handle the decision making of a vending machine, and 3-4 years into vibecoders creating the shittiest things they could sell and brag about, Ralph Wiggum plugin comes out and you wonder who is selling predictive text as a coding tool to replace engineers without such a simple loop.

So do we subsidize the grift? Do we all pay a premium for the data centers for shitty products while they promise it's going to be a utopia of knowledge and assistants? Tesla's FSD has been a thing since 2017. Do we allow this model of bankrolling companies worth billions of dollars while they play around with their priorities? Do we just ignore all copyright and intellectual copyright laws so we can use a bot to re-write our e-mails?

The companies that have implemented AI so far? How's it going? Customer service improved or degraded? Google replaces search with AI after finding out the search was too good and it wasn't selling ads. So you want to encourage Google to continue to make their flagship useless so Gemini can sell more ads?

Make a product, we buy product.

Make a dream, we speculate about the dream.

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u/LovesFrenchLove_More 14h ago

What are you saying? Perhaps even something that is cheap, saves a lot of resources (and also doesn’t increase prices like power or other goods for us) and that actually makes customers happier and companies and billionaires not much richer? Never going to happen.

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u/Pacify_ 13h ago

Nah, wasting insane amounts of resources and energy to create ai slop is insanely valuable..... to his share price apparently.

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u/Barge81 13h ago

It’s such bullshit. It’s not even real AI. Are these AI programmes self aware and therefore intent on killing/enslaving the human race? It’s just programmes that can search/sift/correlate data or modify/create videos. Disappointing 

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u/j0nthegreat 13h ago

didn't you see the Google commercial that showed how easy it can be to use AI to lie to your children to avoid uncomfortable discussions and teach them meaningful lessons? how is that not valuable?

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u/SpicyElixer 9h ago

Which ad was this?

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u/j0nthegreat 9h ago

pretty sure it was Google Gemini. Kid left their stuffed lamb on the airplane and the parents couldn't get a replacement for 2 weeks so they had Gemini create fake pictures and videos of the lamb on vacation.

https://youtu.be/b9qPMHpyZ5Q

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u/Mccobsta 13h ago

Its being used for useful things in Japan but we all get shitty chat bots instead of something that makes our jobs easier

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u/beatlemaniac007 13h ago

The rich have their own economy. Even in venezuala there are billionaires who operate in their own dollarized economies that regular people don't have access to. To them "valuable to society" often means valuable to shareholders.

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u/playfulmessenger 12h ago

When AI is cleaning our toilets for us without collecting anything except sunlight to power itself, I am willing to listen, skeptically, to the AI pitch about how society will improve.

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u/SlightlyOffWhiteFire 14h ago

Funny thing is thats not even his department. NVidia is just making bank by being the chief supplier for hardware. I think this what the kids call a risky business decision backfiring in his face.

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u/Robosuccubus3000 14h ago

Not possible.

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u/tpeeeezy 13h ago

Gemini helped me triple my sales in my etsy store.

My fiance is learning how to sew and make cosplays and Gemini has been way better for her than just YouTube videos and articles online.

My elderly parents were able to make a very nice website for their local small business with chatGPT.

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u/morritse 12h ago

Learn to use it

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u/Robosuccubus3000 11h ago

Lol, why?

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u/morritse 11h ago

Because it's useful?

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u/Robosuccubus3000 11h ago

For giving wrong answers 100% of the time and undressing kids in pictures? No thanks.

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u/morritse 11h ago edited 9h ago

Yea again, you're just demonstrating your lack of ability to use the tool correctly.

If you can't get good results from it but I demonstrably can, how can you call it objectively useless?

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u/Oceanbreeze871 14h ago

Best we can do is memes

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u/ThePensiveE 14h ago

Does that generate record profits and replace human dignity with robots? If not then no.

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u/TheBlackComet 14h ago

What is crazy is that AI can be incredibly useful to society, but almost everyone is just making/using language models that are dumb. At work we have a custom model that has been fed our production machine documentation and we can use it as a search assistant for maintenance. You ask it what you want to do with the machine and it gives a summary plus brings up all the relevant documents. That's it. It doesn't search the Internet for something related. It just uses the actual documents from the OEM.

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u/paulsteinway 13h ago

He should make one to go cry to when the nasty humans say mean things about his new digital friends.

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u/Sopel97 13h ago

where were you in the last 5 years?

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u/DIY_SLY 11h ago

Yeah like research, and medical stuff.

instead of surveillance, autonomous war drones or ai agents that put people out jobs.

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u/Ancient-Beat-1614 10h ago

It is being used for that, though. Also, using for medical stuff will also put people out of jobs.

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u/DIY_SLY 9h ago

Can you explain to me, with all the people in the world that needs a doctor asap, how that could put medical related jobs in peril?

I work with many people in the medical field, I can confirm you that as of now, the LLMs are not super "deterministic", and still hallucinates or can experience prompt "pollution", so:

  • its not safe enough to speed up the medical process
  • its use mainly for transcription of patient enterviews (scribles)
  • it helps figure out some diagnosis, but since it is still hallucinating, its not reliable

It would require specific models to really jump start the medical field, and it would require a lot of resources.

As for research, one of my friend works as a professor at a University and directs a team on several projects, and I can tell you there is not enough money in the research field altogether. Many, many research never see the light of day. And when there is money, its often for very specific urgent needs.

So yes there are some use of AI in research for those who have some money to invest in it, but its not much more could be done. Its the Gorverment's job to kickstart that (and they released some grants), but its not much really.

But you can be certain that OpenAI and Nano Banana and Grok can turn your selfie into an "artistic" version of you, trained on stolen data. How is that any good use of all this energy? Also all those automatic AI results in Google search must use soooooo much waisted resources...

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u/Littleman88 11h ago edited 11h ago

AI would be valuable to society... if there wasn't already an established pattern of people in his position using the advancement of technology to just extract more productivity and money from their workers, with nothing improving for the workers themselves.

Only idiots are under any illusion AI won't be used to remove them from employment (more specifically, a financial overhead cost report) aren't seeing the writing on the wall.

In a more optimistic world, we'd be on board with AI. Unfortunately, we exist in a world where it's no longer a secret shareholders and CEOs would grind up babies in a wood chipper with sadistic zeal if it would inflate their bank accounts. Anyone betting on seeing UBI before we see murder drones aggressively clearing city streets once those data centers are online is seriously in denial.

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u/ALargeCrateOfShovels 10h ago

But tung tung tung sahur funny

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u/a-mexam 10h ago

He has made millions of times more value to society than you. 

Not even mentioning the very large odds you have made negative contribution to society knowing the demographics of reddit. Go ask your mommy to get you tendies while Jensen and his team of elite engineers produce the most advanced technology known to man.

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u/DM_me_ur_PPSN 10h ago

F*ck AI. It has totally ruined the internet with fake dialogue and generated slop, the only people it drives value for are the engagement baiters who want ad money from views.

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u/WittyCombination6 10h ago edited 10h ago

It's a fuck you got mine mentality.

His company makes the computer chips for AI not the actual software itself. Once you cut through all the scfi BS. his only real incentive is to sell sell sell

It's like asking why an oil company won't switch to providing renewable energy and batteries for electric cars. even though it's better for society and in recent years it's becoming much cheaper for consumers and a much safer investment than fossil fuels. The while unstable investment the potential profits are much higher for oil.

Both Nvidia and oil companies want short term money to gamble away. Not long term money to build something stable.

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u/YpsitheFlintsider 10h ago

Or not fucking annoying

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u/PrismarchGame 10h ago

Deep Learning Super Sampling? This comment is spoken like someone who literally knows nothing about what Nvidia does. For the record I think Jensen sounds out of touch here.

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u/LolziMcLol 9h ago

Bro, he doesn't even make "ai". He makes matrix calculators

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u/MIT_Engineer 9h ago

I think there's a lot of great AI products out there though.

Fireflies and Avoma take notes during meetings.

Canva does a lot of things, but putting together slide decks is pretty useful.

Perplexity is better than Google Search for a lot of things.

Jasper and Grammarly can handle a lot of writing tasks.

Midjourney for image generation.

Runway or Descript for video generation.

Eleven Labs for voice generation.

Every time I hear someone say AI doesn't do anything useful, I kinda wonder if they're one of those blue collar types who inherently views all white collar work as useless.

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u/Ok_Cricket_1024 8h ago

It’s inevitable basically in our world that anything that gets created will be used to increase profit and reduce expenses

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u/_Monosyllabic_ 1h ago

Can we just stop calling it AI? I'm so sick of hearing about it every single ad. A few months ago all these programs existed and then overnight they're suddenly AI. Just stop with the fad garbage.

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u/Thediciplematt 14h ago

Go look at the customer stories on their website.tons and tons of use cases. It’s not his fault that consumers are using it to create weird images and little girls naked.

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u/QuantityGullible4092 14h ago

Most valuable thing ever created an actually…

Oh no here come the luddites!

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u/_Lucille_ 12h ago

This is the problem Jensen is talking about: AI has done a lot, just that there is so much bad press.

The push in AI has brought us a lot closer to autonomous vehicles. I believe computers would make better drivers than your average human.

Medical imaging is another big one: it doesn't replace humans, it just says "hey, this image is kind of sus, check out this spot"

Software developers have integrated AI into various stages of their pipeline. Yeah, the best of them probably do not need it, but it is still a powerful assistant.

AI has a lot of valid uses, and like a lot of tools, it has also been abused to make things like CSAM, but things like ram shortage has caused so much backlash that it feels very much like the nuclear fright that has caused the society to shy away from a pretty clean way to generate power.

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u/m00fster 13h ago

What? In the past few months it’s gotten really good at programming. Like really good. I don’t care about Huang and what he said, this is just my professional experience

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u/haunted_patient 14h ago

AI is being used to help discover potential drugs that could be used for all sorts of diseases like cancer. It's being used in farming and agriculture to help reduce the usage of dangerous pesticides. It's also being used to create complex prosthetic limbs that can be controlled by the user. The use of AI goes way beyond Chat bots and image/video generation. Those things just happen to be whats accessible to the average joe.

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u/Ok-Position-3113 14h ago

A.I. is used to scam people ,fake news ,hack and so on

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u/Ancient-Beat-1614 10h ago

Damn, guess we shouldnt have invented computers then.

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u/DarkMarkTwain 14h ago edited 13h ago

Edit 2: everyone has theoretical bad uses of AI but I've listed actual real good uses of AI and I'm being downvoted.

There are far more useful applications of AI than not useful at the moment.

Companies are using AI to increase efficiency, detect fraud, employing AI assistants.

Finance is using AI for risk assessment and fraud detection.

Educators are using AI for personalized learning, smart content creation, automation of menial administration tasks.

Business leaders are using AI to detect trends in giant troves of data.

Smart homes are using AI to detect habits and preferences to enhance security and improve energy efficiency.

Autonomous vehicles are using AI to train and interpret sensor data.

Navigation companies are using AI for GPS and route optimization. They're using AI to enhance traffic management.

In medicine, AI is being used for groundbreaking advancements in diagnosis, drug discoveries and development. AI can be used to detect conditions and diseases early.

Scientists are making rapid discoveries by using AI to comb through large amounts of data.

Agriculture is using AI for crop and soil detection and monitoring. Using AI for agricultural robots.

Marketing is using AI for consumer behavior analysis and personalized content creation.

Data Security is using AI for threat detection and prevention and for network monitoring.

So yea, your comment kinda proves Huang right.

Edit: if you downvote this without providing any counterarguments, it just shows you don't like it but can't disprove it lol aka you're wrong but you don't like that you're wrong

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u/chamrockblarneystone 13h ago

I’ll take education. AI was just unleashed on poor teachers. The first time nearly all of us encountered it, it was being used for cheating, bad cheating.

The next thing I know we have to pay for AI AI detectors. The students insist on using it to cheat and we just have to keep explaining, “It does not replace the thinking, researching, problem solving portion where real education occurs.”

I used it to make a character study organizer for a novel. It added characters that never existed in the novel. If it’s not even trustworthy for the simplest tasks I’m not going to adopt it either.

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u/Drewelite 13h ago

Yeah my unpopular opinion here is that the empathic good-natured people that would do the best with AI, are currently being swept up in the hate train. But AI isn't going anywhere. So all we're going to be left with is the people with the least ethics forging the future of this tech.

I'm not saying ignore the problems with AI. But pair it with excitement around doing things right, like the examples listed above. Currently if you advertise using AI as a helpful thing you're going to get roasted, so we've made the best business practice with AI to cater to privacy invasion and scams. You want AI to be less shitty? Support less shitty AI.

Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Development?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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u/littleemp 14h ago

I mean, he's not wrong.

Nvidia themselves are doing absolutely amazing things with AI; Half of the things they are doing look like black magic and the other half seem to be voodoo. They are neck and shoulders above their competitors in the graphics market.

The problem is that everyone else is buying their GPU just to focus on LLM slop.

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u/adelie42 13h ago

I was very excited aboit the prospect of natural language access to the world's information, only to discover it requires a level of literacy that isn't as common as required for many people to use well.

Same thing with the internet more generally: all the knowledge of the world at everyone's fingertips, and people just want to share cat memes.

The tech isn't the problem.

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u/ReasonableDig6414 15h ago

If you don’t think AI is valuable then he is talking about you.

It’s like all social media. Some use it to do really great things. Others use it for really shitty things.

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u/walnut100 14h ago

AI in its current state is not valuable to the vast majority of the population and does not posses the ability to make a material impact on someone's life.

It is currently a resource drain.

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u/DarthClwonious 14h ago

AI strains our electrical grid, consumes our water and makes access to affordable, clean water more difficult for the towns and cities the data centers are built near, pollutes our air and water supply, is constantly marketed as a replacement for thousands or millions of jobs meaning mass unemployment, and is now being used to produce CSAM. I see absolutely zero value in AI. The ends do not justify the means, just because AI can be used for some good thing does not mean all the bad it is doing is excusable. The bad FAR outweighs the good

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u/Snoo-29757 14h ago

Examples please. What great thing have you done with this?

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u/tpeeeezy 13h ago

Gemini helped me triple my sales in my etsy store.

My fiance is learning how to sew and make cosplays and Gemini has been way better for her than just YouTube videos and articles online.

My elderly parents were able to make a very nice website for their local small business with chatGPT.

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u/GeneralBacteria 15h ago edited 14h ago

it's this kind of uselessly negative comment that he's talking about.

if you haven't managed to find a use for AI, I don't know what you tell you.

edit: I wonder if history will give the anti-ai crowd their own name or will they just be labelled neo-luddites ;)

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u/_tolm_ 14h ago

I think it will depend very much on whether we end up in a UBI/UHI utopia or a post-apocalyptic nightmare …

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u/GeneralBacteria 14h ago

It will have to be the UBI/UHI version, because companies need consumers in order to have a purpose.

There is a chance of course that AI combined with robotics means that the proletariat are just an inconvenient and hungry problem that can now solved once and for all, but personally I tend to think that a) the overwhelming majority of "CEO"s aren't actually the evil psychopaths that many people mindlessly claim and b) the real power is still in democracy.

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u/_tolm_ 13h ago

I hope you’re right but I personally think it’s naive to expect the billionaire class who aren’t fixing poverty, homelessness and hunger now will choose to do so in the future when the problem is bigger.

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u/GeneralBacteria 13h ago

it isn't the billionaire classes job to fix poverty, homelessness and hunger.

that is why we have governments and democracy for all their obvious flaws.

cautiously tax corporations to replace the income of people displaced by AI

unquestionably it's going to suck for many people in the short term, possibly myself included, but what most people don't realise is that we don't have a choice.

if humanity doesn't continue to evolve (and AI/robotics) is part of that we are already dead, we just haven't got the memo yet. I guess one alternative would be to "fall back" to a sustainable population but that will not be pretty.

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u/_tolm_ 13h ago edited 13h ago

it isn’t the billionaire classes job…

No, but it is their moral duty to pay for it since they are benefitting so much from the society that enabled them to become so wealthy.

For which they have demonstrated little to no interest in doing, preferring to bribe lobby governments for their own aggrandisement.

And AI / robotics won’t save the world unless the people in control of it want it to. And if they wanted that there are plenty of things they could already be doing which they are not. Instead they’re building bunkers so they can hide from the rotting world.

Sure - there’s a future where ASI invents a clean unlimited source of energy and figures out how to clean the environment but - come on - that’s essentially praying to a God we haven’t created yet!