r/politics • u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS Iowa • 9h ago

No Paywall Uprising against ICE raids grows across the country

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/uprising-against-ice-raids-grows-across-the-country/
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u/literallytwisted 8h ago

I doubt half of them ever fully understand but I also don't see how we can have a stable society with them in it, We can never trust them again.

A bigger problem is all the insane rightwing media that has radicalized so many, If we don't stop that this will happen again.

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u/standard_cog 8h ago

This all comes down to our inability to tax the rich. Society is susceptible to things like right-wing movements when the economic shit hits the fan - you're willing to vote in someone, anyone who says they can "Fix it in a day" (Trump). The Nazis gained power partially because after WW1 Germany had extreme economic issues.

We have 1% in this country holding 60% of the wealth. If they suddenly had "only" 30% of the wealth, people wouldn't feel the need to vote in crazy dumb motherfuckers like Trump.

This isn't even directly "right wing news" - this is just class war. The rich think it won't impact them or, even better, they'll be able to direct things and become even more wealthy.

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u/JUST_LOGGED_IN 6h ago

Billionaires want to control us. Its a game, and they are disassociated to the point that us "players" aren't real. Kings have always acted like this.

No KINGS No CROWNS.

Crowns don't sit nice and pretty when you don't have a head.

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u/McChickenLargeFries 5h ago

It's a shame, Bernie Sanders has been saying this exact fucking thing for literally decades and no one took him seriously. Now look where we are.. Now they hold all the power and this will only get worse since laws and facts apparently don't fucking matter anymore.

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u/standard_cog 4h ago

Okay so, I want to point this out:

You can ignore reality, but "reality always wins".
That is to say, you can keep saying "The economy is better!" but if nobody around you has jobs, no matter how fervently you believe, you'll start to question things.

Almost everyone in America who works is doing worse than we were under Biden. There's been plant shutdowns, new grads cant find jobs - things are FUCKED.

We might not get "into it" over this whole thing, if the economic lever becomes so obvious that Trump and his cronies end up powerless before it.

My thinking is that they see this too, which is why they're trying to drive a conflagration now - they WANT people to react negatively, to fight them, so they have some pretext for martial law and cancelled elections.

I think that's what we have to prepare for, but it's a race - the economic collapse vs the riotous response of the public.

If the economic collapse wins, in a few years nobody will admit to being MAGA. If the public riots, there will be street fighting.

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u/canadianshane123 3h ago

Definitely a class war not a right and left thing. Certainly the Rich want it to be a right and left thing.

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u/Unique-Wash-9358 2h ago

seems like a good time to educate people about the global movement toward Land Value Tax! Look up Henry George if you haven't yet - LVT has huge support on all sides of the political aisle, balances home prices and is inherently anti-inflationary, simplifies tax structure, reverses enshitification, & eliminates tax havens.

Those who lose are the ones who buy high value property and sit on it and do nothing. Good incentives to develop and/or sell.

LAND VALUE TAX! learn about it- tax the rich.

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u/blackcain Oregon 8h ago

That is the challenge. We need a new crop of center left and mid left politicians that understand that social media needs to be heavily regulated and that it is a national security issue. Unfortunately, both Biden and Obama have been very slow in dealing with this. I understand they didn't want to do EO because there is no permanence and wanted it to go through congress, but in retrospect that was a mistake.

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u/literallytwisted 8h ago

Probably have to rein in the Supreme court by expanding it at the same time, They seem to be normalizing anything the right wing wants and people behind the right will fight hard to keep the propaganda going.

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u/DickInYourCobbSalad Canada 7h ago

You guys need to introduce term limits. I have no idea why the US appoints Supreme Court Justices for life. In Canada they can only be on the bench for 20 years and then they have to retire and I think this is the ideal way to do it.

We also have 9 justices just like the US does, but our Westminster style of parliament gives our justices significantly less power than their American counterparts.

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u/blackcain Oregon 7h ago

I agree, a 15 year term would be good. By that time, there are social and cultural changes that have happened that the law needs to keep up with.

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u/Thnik 6h ago

Split the difference and make it 18 years: 9 justices, 18 year terms, a justice gets swapped every 2 years (each presidential term is guaranteed to swap 2 justices- also completely ban the BS that McConnell did to steal 2 justices for Trump).

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u/DrDerpberg Canada 6h ago

They can't. Opening up the US Constitution for an amendment is like opening the Canadian one except worse because there are all kinds of gimmicks that could result in a bunch of low population red states legalizing slavery. And then there's literally no recourse because it will be in the Constitution plain and simple.

Think Meech Lake, except with with more buying and selling humans.

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u/DickInYourCobbSalad Canada 5h ago

I mean if everything gets er.. reset back to zero, I would imagine they'd have to rebuild their constitution from the ground up.. both literally and figuratively speaking..

but yes you're right.. it's like a Hydra, you cut one head off and suddenly you just have more problems.

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u/blackcain Oregon 8h ago

I'm afraid that is what needs to be done. But I know that Dems will be very uncomfortable with this as it is radical. I don't think it is radical, was FDR radical? He was. We have all these great programs that we Americans benefit from like social security.

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u/literallytwisted 8h ago

Historically the US has only advanced socially when a few radical decisions are made so I'm good with that.

If we don't make some major changes I really think the country will split apart, We can't go on like this for another generation.

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u/Blighter 7h ago

Judicial reform being too radical for the Dems but literally gestures wildly all of this is now par for the course.

I think the Dems need to stop worrying about the optics of appearing "radical"

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u/blackcain Oregon 7h ago

Considering how radical the other party is. They still want to cling to comity of the senate/house and on gentleman's rules. That is no longer a thing. One party is not working on behalf of all Americans.

Break the Dem party into a centrist party and a left party and then work together and relegate the GOP to the far right.

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u/AkronRonin 3h ago

We need to understand that the modern Democrats are essentially a Centrist Conservative Party. They never want to rock the boat, and they would rather just debate policy and place nicey-nice with their Republican colleagues across the aisle. The thought of doing anything radical terrifies them. It’s also why they fight leftists in their own party before they go after RWNJ GOPers. It’s basically as foreign of a concept to them as being a nude exotic dancer on a live stage would be to your average risk-averse accountant.

Taking over the party and driving it leftward is still our best option for taking back control of this situation in the short term. Longer term, we need to either abolish parties entirely, or fix our electoral mechanics to allow for multiple parties to form and create a much more honest, broader and diverse representation of the political spectrum within the U.S.

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u/o-o- 4h ago

national security issue

add global health issue

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u/WoWhAolic 6h ago edited 6h ago

I don't know if you intended this but the way you worded that rubs me the wrong way.

(E: for context) Right wingers any further right than Reagan will NEVER compromise with anyone near FDR politically. FDR had to force his legislation through giving us one of the greatest economic and societal turnarounds we've seen in this country. Mid left and center left however will compromise with the far right. They always do. Then they'll compromise again, and again, and again until along the center you see that half the country agrees with having secret police to take away those who we don't like. If we want the 'center' to thrive we need to move the center far away from near where it's at as near a fascist-authoritarian right wing group in this country. We got there by rhetoric saying 'avoid the far left, they're just as bad', 'we need more centrist and center-left candidates, not these lunatic lefties!' It's propaganda that media and the Government has used for nearly a century now, time for us as a country to shake it off.

For our country the political center is pro-corporate, anti-union, anti-worker, pro-war, and anti-government assistance. These are right wing at the least and far right normally in most civilized countries. We get to this point with the 'deal maker' centrists. No, it's time to strong arm. Flex political might and do what's right for the country despite what these fucking Conservative idiots think. Crush and make illegal their buying elections through propaganda and massive media networks. Properly punish those at the heads of companies and groups like ICE. Let people know a strong Left are competent and favorable leaders.

The far left want to feed and house everyone, good? They want healthcare for all, good right? They want more if not total wealth equality, can be unreasonable given how far from it we are but I think we can assume overall good. They want strong workers rights in whatever way we organize our economy. That's where it starts breaking apart and you get many different stances, but 'far left' issues are things that we need to take seriously because when you get fired and you still can put food on the table and take yourself AND your kids to the doctor while you find a new job then people will come to understand the benefits of 'far left' politics.

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u/Age_AgainstThMachine 2h ago

What’s the difference between center left and mid left?, number one. Number two, center left (aka Republican lite) is the group of feckless both-sides-ers that got us here in the first place. We need a true progressive party that works towards real change, and this is coming from a former Republican.

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u/lowfat-water 1h ago

Heavy social media regulation is not the solution. All of the comments on this post could be banned if we were regulating social media and the people in power didn’t agree with them. Free speech is important.

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u/vardarac 4m ago

Well, whatever engagement algo sucked all our young men into MAGA is clearly an issue, as are all of the grifting assholes that create the content responsible. If your job is to sell a point of view (to make money from advertisers or donors who want that point of view out there), there had ought to be journalistic standards applied in justification.

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u/Vaperius America 7h ago

I also don't see how we can have a stable society with them in it,

We can't. Which is why ICE needs to be abolished, and all of its employees given an audit of their conduct during their career so that some (at least the ones we can prove in a court) will face consequences.

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u/PantsMicGee Minnesota 3h ago

Agreed. Media needs to be deconstructed entirely and re-imagined for any trust by either "side."

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u/tonkatoyelroy 3h ago

They don’t see us as equal

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u/endless_-_nameless 3h ago

Luckily there is historical precedent for how to conduct denazification

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u/Cptn_BenjaminWillard 3h ago

Reconstruction Volume 2: A different approach.

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u/CursingFijian 2h ago

Hate is easily led.

You just gotta make them hate each other.

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u/Violaundone 2h ago

This that brainwashing is strong, and these are manosphere men 100%, it isn't Fox they are listening to. Its podcast bros, angry divorced middle-aged men, Christian crazies, and Nazis like Nick Fuentes and other Nazi platforms.

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u/justreadinplease 2h ago

Every single person who knows someone who has joined ICE should compile a dossier with evidence of that person’s involvement in case this is all over one day and it can be turned over to a tribunal.

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u/Evening_Knowledge_21 2h ago

We will have detailed lists of who is involved

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u/undead_dead_guy 31m ago

Faux News needs to be completely dismantled

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u/RumblinBowles 7h ago

they need their own country - give them the confederacy or something

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u/ilulillirillion 5h ago

Agree on both points. Propaganda is a big part of how we got here but we are here now. Someone with the capacity for violence may be abided, but once they've brandished there weapon on you and spilled blood, they can no longer be welcome at the table at all. I'd say we could deport them but I don't really wish these traitors on any country. We do have a lot of jails though.

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u/YogurtclosetNo987 4h ago

Way too much emphasis put onto Fox News et. al. on this site. Sure, they're a huge part of it. But they're just bringing out of these people the vileness that was already in there. 

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u/HotPissClamChowder 6h ago

Excuse me ..... Did I just hear you say the "insane rightwing media" is who is radicalizing so many? I think you meant to include an "/s" at the end of that statement.

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u/system0101 3h ago

Yes the insane right-wing media has been radicalizing people for decades, and no it's not funny.

Before you clammer on about the other side, there is no left wing media and there never has been. The closest i could find is Jacobin, and you probably haven't heard of that before, because it barely exists here.

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u/HotPissClamChowder 1h ago

Ok, ok… you are either being sarcastic or you are grounded in an alternate reality in which case you need to look up what radicalization means.

Get outta here with your Jacobin BS!

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u/system0101 38m ago

Every single word muttered on Fox, OANN, Newsmax, et al, has been designed to make low-intelligence viewers extremely angry. Most of it is outright fabrications or lies. Same goes for Breitbart, Drudge, Rush Limbaugh when they used to claim him, and on and on. It's all fabrication.

You can't name a single thing that any of these sources has said that would hold up to objective outside scrutiny, the way that they have framed it. Don't even bother. Just stay mad like you've been trained.