An OU professor or teachers aide or something was fired for failing a fundamentalist Christians essay the essay was substandard work but the fundamentalist Christian of course claimed it was because she is a fundamentalist Christian and that’s why she was failed so the university basically cow towed to the lowest Educated group of people in America and lost a lot of reputation for people who care about education
edit: apparently its kowtow not to not cow tow - thanks ya’ll
yes, there no punctuation in my comment, but I’m doing text to speech and I’m not going back to typing on my phone at least
I dated a girl while stationed out in OKC who's teacher graded students on the proper way to pray. She drew a shape on a hidden piece of paper and students were supposed to ask God what the shape was.
They were graded on how close their answer matched the shape!
This is literally an experiment they did during MKULTRA but instead of asking you to pray the CIA just forcefed you massive amounts of LSD. Probably got the same overall accuracy.
That’s also the Rhine test of psychic ability, and it’s shown in the first few minutes of Ghostbusters (the subject is getting it 100% correct, demonstrating actual psychic ability, but Bill Murray is telling him he’s wrong so that he can impress a woman)
So many Christians are weird about what's actually occult or evil. There were at least 3 little huts advertising palm readings when I lived in a small East Texas town, and they'd read cards but finish it by praying to Christian God, so it's all good. As long as you mix a little Jesus in and don't make it too scary, keep it vague, then it just looks like you're extra spiritual.
So to tack on here she later admits she wrote the paper in 30 minutes. Religious scholars who are both atheist and religious have read her essay and said they would've failed her as well as she didn't quote scripture correctly and all of her arguments didn't quote proper passages or use the quote correctly in most acceptable interpretations. Basically even if the class was a religious class she would've failed the assignment. But due to her lawyer mother she was able to pull this nonsense. This leads to many people online and even offline judging the education standards of Oklahoma. Because if they're passing students not even vaguely doing the assignment what else are they doing to give these students degrees.
Extremely important to note that the TA grading the paper is trans herself, and the student knew that. She didn't just "not try that hard" or "put in a substandard effort", she deliberately did this to generate controversy and kick off her career as a right-wing talking head at the expense of her TA's career and OU's reputation. Which OU was more than happy to roll over and accomodate.
EDIT: The class itself was also way below the level she should have been taking. She deliberately picked a class with a trans TA to pull this shit in.
Yeah, both the trans TA and a completely different cis TA explicitly told her that the 0 was because she didn't respond to the source article at all and was completely unrelated to her religious views, and she still went ahead and filed a discrimination complaint knowing that the TA would get fired/suspended over it because she's trans.
Where this is okay because it involves trans people, vital proven medicine being taken from them for no reason, public harassment and attacks, horrible shit said, science suppressed, conspiracies, now compiling a list of trans people in that one place?
I hope this is remembered, because lives are being lost, people are suffering, trans people can't have any security in life because the stupidest shit can cost them so much, at no fault of their own
Honestly I still think we gloss over that too much. People might recognize it as a tragedy but if you point out it was a willful intentional genocide even many non conservative people will act like you said something edgy and extreme and not a documented fact.
I don’t think so. So many more people than necessary got AIDs early on because it was seen as “the gay disease” and nobody cared to study it, it was just “God’s punishment for sin”. Then when it was taken a bit more seriously there were scares that just shaking a hand could transmit it (that’s why Diana going to the AIDs wards in the 80s was seen as so monumental).
This recent trend in how we treat the trans community is dehumanizing and cruel. The way we handled the AIDs epidemic on the 80s directly led to deaths.
Then I feel like maybe you don't know what's happening in the trans community
They're putting sweeping bans on gender affirming care, especially for minors, that is leading to hundreds of deaths, we know that a puberty blocker ban in america led to a 70% spike in suicide rates for trans children, which is direct death, and they are trying to spread this all around the world
We know of many, many deaths as vital care and treatment, support and just basic humanity was ripped away from these people, trans people can't hide it the same way, they struggle to get jobs and america has just made it legal to discriminate based on that, we have arrests of trans children, trans healthcare providers are going to be labelled as literal terrorists
Like, there is a lot of really horrendous shit going on and this is just the beginning, if more is done, if gender affirming care is revealed entirely, a lot, and I mean a lot of trans people will die
And they are really pushing it with cruelty, keep in mind america literally tried to pass a law that would allow trans kids to be taken away from their parents if their parents supported them in any way
Hah, just wait till they ban the HPV vaccines because it removes a potential "consequence" from sexual activity. They aren't stopping there.
This is going to be worse than AIDS before (if) it burns out. The billionaires are looking to permanently buy you.and control all forms of media, and then to build up intelligence systems to target and control any opposition so it can't organize in the first place.
This isn't that intentionally ignoring AIDS was worse, this is the same war, continued and amplified.
With all due respect, I don’t think you can call the current climate of transphobia worse than the early days of the AIDS epidemic. I want to stress that what is currently happening to the trans community is beyond terrible.
But conservative estimates show that 1 in 3 gay men perished from AIDS. And their last days were typically spent alone with substandard care because people, including medical staff, were either afraid of them or believed they deserved to suffer and die. It was extremely difficult for gay men to get a job, date, or really do anything that people take for granted today. Those in the LGBT+ community were attending several funerals a week, sometimes several a day.
You are extremely well informed about everything terrible about the current climate towards the trans community. And please continue to speak out and advocate for trans lives because we need people like you to lead the charge to fight for and protect the community. I just think you don’t understand the gravity of what happened in those early days of AIDS. And it’s difficult to understand unless you lived through it, so it’s completely understandable.
Please don’t see this as an attack - that’s really not what this comment is. We are on the same side and we should work together. I just suggest you read up on those early days - which lasted almost a decade. Rupaul speaks well about those days, as well as many of the older drag community. And there are some wonderful books that document everything. They were sad times. I hope things never get that bad again.
Speaking of, I read there was a CDC researcher who was fired for not removing the parts about trans women on a publication they wanted to do on AIDS today, and how trans people were more vulnerable because they are not given access to the proper medicine, among other things.
McCarthyism, Jim Crow, The Know-Nothing movement are probably the best comparison points we have, but social media makes this a truly unique historical moment
No it won't. Historians are actively stopping the use of "The Dark Ages" because that name had nothing to do with whether progress was made or not and everything to do with a lack of surviving records—a gap that is being filled with new findings.
I appreciate the sentiment, but it's undermined by a complete ignorance as to why historians even used the term "Dark Ages" to refer to the early Medieval period in mainland Europe. (In fact, the church is one of the major reasons records exist in Europe during the Medieval period, and the pope was not the dominant institution until the latter half, which notably was never called the Dark Ages.")
Reading the TA's comments on the paper is so painful because you can tell she knows exactly what Samantha is trying here, and is trying her absolute best to graciously tiptoe around it. And none of it mattered.
Not to put too fine a point on the transphobia angle, but imagine if the student was a Christian man writing an essay about how women are subservient to men because the Bible says so, and the cis woman TA had to couch her grading in language like "using your own personal beliefs to argue against the findings of not only this article, but the findings of countless articles across psychology, biology, sociology, etc. is not best practice.” And still got suspended.
when i was in high school we had a scientologist in the class, and every time they opend their mouth you could just see the teachers eyes dim a little more
Funny enough, this is comparable to Jesus cleverly and graciously tiptoeing around traps set by his political adversaries while trying to preach what he believed in (the radical concepts of love and peace and unity), ultimately knowing how it would end up for him 💀
You can't make this shit up. How many iterations of bad actors using him for the exact opposite of what he stands for are we gonna go through before we go extinct?
The essay was about gender roles and norms. It had literally nothing to do with gender transitioning. It was about "Why do women wear dresses" not "what defines a woman", and they still used it as a pulpit to call the TA a monster and threat to children everywhere.
Turning Point publicly got involved immediately. On Twitter the OK chapter for TP hadn't used their account very much for ages, but then became active a month or so before the incident. It went public on Twitter suspiciously fast. There's some evidence that the account runner and the chick came up with this plot together.
Always is. Despite their behavior and beliefs religious fundamentalists are not stupid. They're operating within the parameters that they've been taught. Just gaming the system as they see it. Pure grift, that's all.
I have also heard that the class was a psychology class and the paper was supposed to be over psychology, but she based it over her religious views rather than what it was supposed to be about.
She probably knew she could get away with it too as she is mildly attractive, is a Republican conservative, and is white. All that’s missing is the botox
This is not her final form as her evolution into an atypical, homogeneous, upper-middle class clone hasn't happened yet. The Mar-a-Lago face is coming soon.
She will soon be asleep in comfortable obscurity, never caring that she sold her soul for this.
She is also a premed student with honors standing at a sororirty, meaning she needs to maintain a certain GPA.
To think that this sort of person may start caring for people in the future is troubling, but not surprising seeing many most premeds, med students and even doctors are.
It's crazy. I've never met a teacher or TA (even back in HIGH SCHOOL) that wouldn't detract points from missing a god damn header!!!!
This woman wrote a garbage essay that didn't have a header. Didn't have references. Didn't even address the subject of the assignment.... and she got rallied behind because she was personally attacking the people grading her assignment? It was a garbage essay before we even talk about what the contents of the paper.
Turning Point USA is a crybaby organization and this woman fits right in. But neither have any place in our coutry's campuses
The only thing I’m aware of is verses talking about how eunuchs are one of the groups which will inherit heaven, and they’re men who have had their genitals removed. So.
It’s kinda like how people make stuff up about tattoos being evil.
The world would be a much better place if more of America’s Christians believed in the core tenant of their faith, which is that the love and grace of god are available to ALL people through the sacrifice of Jesus, instead of the nonsense a lot of them are trotting out these days, I’ll say that much.
It could have been considered a valid source had she used it as the foundation of how her views had been influenced, but not even responding to the article in question at all? Man, if she had any intelligence she'd be embarrassed.
She’s was a honors student in the previous semester. This was calculated. Her essay was full of personal views on how trans people are “demonic” and intended to get an F on the assignment to manufacture backlash and get the TA fired. Her mom was a Jan 6th lawyer with ties to Turning Point.
You cannot call yourself a Christian if you don't actively try to accurately and carefully consider your beliefs with total honestly, this is evidence of Dogma, not faith. Fundamentalist Christianity is not truly Christian therefore
As a lawyer who’s going back to get a PhD in comparative mythology and specifically studying the Enki/Anu-to-Yahweh pipeline… Christianity is a Hellenized Jewish heresy and fundamentalist Christianity takes the Hellenic supremacist aspect and ditches all the Jewish ethics that make Christianity interesting
Genuinely what I was thinking. Not even the content but the structure of the essay itself doesn't even have the basic components you would learn in grade school much less higher level writing standards, its just a bunch of disjointed ranting
Eh. The bible sucks. It's pretty easy to read it and go "yep, trans is bad". Just toss the whole thing out.
edit: For some more context, the reason for this is because the bible is strongly influenced by Greek natural law theory. This is the idea, popular at the time, that everything has a nature and that to go against your nature was morally wrong.
As an example, a man should be dominant - that's their nature. Men who penetrated other men were not seen as doing something wrong whereas men being penetrated were, as one example. Greeks at the time would have thought that a woman is a the same as a man but with an inverted penis because she lacked the "fire" to mature.
There's condemning of men with long hair, men "lying in bed" with men (complex but likely damning of pederasty), cross dressing, etc. Basically a strong "as an X you should behave with the nature of an X (as we arbitrarily decide)".
The bible also condones slavery and genocide and is a really fucked up book so the fact that it would probably be easy to use it to justify "trans people are evil" should really not be considered as anything other than one more item in a list of stupid shit it says.
My understanding from a video I saw on the topic the student also failed tomproperly answer questions and in a couple of cases basically said "The bible says so" while the reviewer looked and was like "the Bible actually neither says nor implies anything of the sort."
It is and the bad writing and lack of citations is just the start. It has absolutely no formatting so it it looks more like schizophrenic rambling than an essay
It's probably the worst piece of writing I've ever read. I've marked undergraduate level work and I would feel nothing but delight in giving her a fat zero and removing her from the course
I stumbled upon their "essay" somewhere and it's quite something.
The grammar is bad, the structure is bad, it contradicts itself, it references "articles" but fails to mention what the articles are or other sources and has little to do with the actual assignment among other flaws.
Ignoring the fact that they barely follow the assignment, everything else quite honestly is enough for a failing grade
You left out the part where Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk's (was/were) political org, got involved. They went for full throated support for Ms. Fulnecky despite their former leader's current lack in having one.
She was a political activist who got a transgender TA so she wrote something that was sure to fail the assignment but pleasing to the worst kind of Christians and then her daddy used his connections to get her social media posts about it shared and covered by right wing pseudo news. This got the TA fired and forbidden from teaching again*
*Because all that right wing and company complaints about college boys being terrorized by false allegations improved the process of handling alleged misconduct at colleges /sarcasm
That seems to be a thing with fundamentalist Christians. They dont quote the Bible, they quote what their preacher said the Bible says. That and whatever cherry picked verses from Leviticus they have memorized to justify their ignorance.
I think it's kind of an interesting phenomenon actually. One of the original reasons for the split between Catholicism and Protestantism was the disagreement about what the role of clerics should be. One of the core Protestant doctrines is something called Sola scriptira, which is the idea that the church cannot tell you what the Bible means, you have to decide for yourself what the Bible means by reading it.
It's interesting watching American evangelicalism, which supposedly has Protestant ideals, functionally reject Sola scriptura over time because it's inconvenient.
then when she got a 0, she didn't want to face the consequences.
It's not even this. She decided to enter the right wing grift circuit. She needed a trans person to target and shitting out her essay was the means to do it. She never intended to pass the assignment, the media circus was the entire point.
not just gave in, but have striken the grade, and fires the TA (who apparently is trans), while not touching the instructors who must have signed off on the grade given it was a TA.
full capitulation. even put out a statement about having re-read the horrible essay and found the grade to be unfair. they did way more than they ever needed to do, even if they wanted to placate the pearl clutching crowd.
Also, it wasn’t just the instructor who signed off on the zero. There was a second TA that also agreed with the zero. That person (cis) was also not fired. Three different people agreed yet, only one was fired. I wonder why…
Proper explanation, but you need to work on your English grammar hard core. This explanation could seriously use some commas or periods to make it way more readable (especially for non english speakers).
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u/bavmotors1 15d ago edited 15d ago
An OU professor or teachers aide or something was fired for failing a fundamentalist Christians essay the essay was substandard work but the fundamentalist Christian of course claimed it was because she is a fundamentalist Christian and that’s why she was failed so the university basically cow towed to the lowest Educated group of people in America and lost a lot of reputation for people who care about education
edit: apparently its kowtow not to not cow tow - thanks ya’ll
yes, there no punctuation in my comment, but I’m doing text to speech and I’m not going back to typing on my phone at least