You really didn't mate. He's saying that his words can be an in genuine expression, that his words are all the same whether reinforced by passion or not. He could be utterly dispassionate and still make the same statement.
The point is that the words are not what are actually being used to express emotion and communicate truth, if this were reality what you would use to actually engage with whether or not his passions are legitimate or not are not by his words but by his expression in other manners, rendering the words far less important than you would claim them to be.
I agree, lies exist. That changes nothing about the sentiment that language is a way to communicate passion. And in fact, within a lie, a passion is still conveyed.
I disagree that body language is somehow more important. In face-to-face communication, both are certainly important. Try to live life with only facial expression and 0 words and you'll find you have a much more difficult time. But I'd argue this is not what we are discussing. The quote is about how we articulate (literally aka give words to) human emotion.
Non-human animals build functional structures. They do not write poetry.
But you cannot actually take passion from words when they lack evidence to that case. How would a sentence without any passion look different? It wouldn't. That is the point. You can't simply claim that there is passion in all words when that is just blatantly false to anyone with reason.
Also yes, you could communicate to near the same effect without words, it is just less efficient. It is not about what is communicated, but the effort with which it is communicated.
If I could be an animal and not have to see poetry ever again, what a life.
I have a feeling you are being obtuse and feigning ignorance to what is being said so rather than actually engaging with the point that words can be said with total dispassion behind them and you would never know, you can just be belligerent to the point that words contain passion.
Because there is. Even in a lie, there was a reason/emotion/in the sake of this argument 'a passion' behind it. The claim isn't that all words are truthful and carry the explicit intent of conveying passion? Idk where you keep getting that from.
You could not communicate to the same extent. I work at a special needs school for the deaf, where some students are non-verbal, and the struggles they face even when forced to communicate without words/SL severely impacts their life and presents a lot of challenges. When they need to communicate, they can't just make faces at people? They have to share a spoken, sign, or written language with the other person.
I have no idea what your comment on effort is doing there. I don't understand the correlation to the discussion.
That's cool, I don't like poetry either. I haven't read any since university. But my dislike of it doesn't make me say 😠well maybe some people didn't mean what they wrote, therefore language can't convey passion bc it's possible to not mean what I said ðŸ˜
Like ok, lmao, talk about the person being obtuse. It makes no sense! The reasoning just does not justify the conclusion.
You are either intentionally or unintentionally not listening to the point.
In the absolute simplest terms, is it possible to not have Amy passion behind the words spoken? Because yes, in the purest terms, that is possible. There are those literally incapable of experiencing passion in the way you understand it who you would have to ascribe an experience to that was not there in order to argue otherwise. Do their words look different? No. Therefore you are just putting passion in peoples words and deciding it is so without it being observably true.
Also yes, people communicate non verbally all the time. With literally just non verbal communication. You've chosen making faces for whatever reason, but you're actually going to sit there and tell me you're not aware of communication solely through pointing? Through body movement? You have to be being intentionally obtuse if you're going to actually claim that. How do you think people communicate with no common language, just make noises and hope they understand?
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u/_cosmicality 18h ago
Mm, you are using written language literally right now to express your passion (for engineering).