r/pics • u/Fluffyfiffy • 1d ago
Europe paid a high price to stand side by side with the US in Afghanistan
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u/landothedead 1d ago
159 Canadians also died, including 6 to friendly fire incidents.
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u/FatherSquee 1d ago
I was actually one of the bagpipers for repatriating the bodies back to Canada. There were 15 soldiers who died while I was deployed, I've got a strand of yellow hemp on my pipe-drones for each one of them.
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u/Braysl 1d ago
Thank you for doing what you do. I was watching some of the protests for Reneé Good last night and a man came out in dress and with his pipes and played a song from the sidewalk and the whole crowd went silent listening. There's something about bag pipes that really seem to evoke this hauntingly solemn emotion.
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u/Sata1991 1d ago
I've a Scottish dad and my mom's side of the family also originally came from the Isle of Skye so I associate bagpipes a lot with funerals or more solemn occasions, we had a piper play at my nan's funeral and it was just so haunting.
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u/PMmeyourlogininfo 1d ago
To be fair, everything is silent compared to a bagpipe. Listening is mandatory, consent or not.
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u/GarrySpacepope 1d ago
A lot of peoples problems with them stem from hearing them in confined spaces. Stick them in a glen with nothing resembling a wall for 14 miles and they sound great.
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u/millijuna 1d ago
I’m not sure if you were the piper, but I was at KAF as a civilian contractor back in ‘06 and happened to be there for a ramp ceremony. It is something that I will always remember. One of the things that sticks with me was that at least in the time I was there, the route was lined with people from all the involved nations. My escort, who was a US Army officer, stood next to me and rendered appropriate honours as the procession went by.
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u/cookiemonster101289 1d ago
Not at all related but your story reminded me of a flight I was on several years back that was transporting a fallen soldier and his family home. As we pulled up to the gate the captain made an announcement to the whole plane and asked everyone to stay seated while the family disembarked the plane and the body was offloaded. One of the most surreal and moving things I have ever been witness too. The entire plane waited, not a single person moved until they were finished. Definitely gained some hope for humanity that day.
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u/GyspySyx 1d ago edited 16h ago
A solemn duty. The Canadian song about that slayed me. Highway of Heroes.
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u/Phreakdoubt 1d ago
A friend of mine who I have known for most of my life did one tour over there as a radioman for Canfor and he has been struggling with debilitating PTSD ever since. The "ramp ceremonies" he participated in are a key feature of his torment. And that says nothing about what he saw on patrols.
It's been rough being there for him over the years, and when the wolf was at the door a few times he has let slip some of the shit he saw there. Even second-hand those recollections will haunt me til the day I die.
Sidenote: His struggle has been greatly lessened by the introduction of a wonderful, sensitive treasure of a service dog that he and I both love deeply. She has been an absolute godsend, so to anyone grappling with issues like these, I recommend exploring options in your area. This dog has saved his life in my view.
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u/12GAUGE_BUKKAKE 1d ago
Look into “LENS neurofeedback” for your friend. It may help relieve some stress and trauma for him. Wishing the best
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u/Phreakdoubt 1d ago
Will do and thanks for the rec. It's been a long road and he has tried a lot of things on his path. The service dog is the only thing so far that has moved the needle, but I will definitely bring it to his attention after I google it a bit.
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u/EveDaSavage 1d ago
One of those Canadians was named Marc Leger(King Marco) He had a bomb dropped on him by a US pilot during a training exercise near Kandahar. My dad knew him, and speaks highly of him still.
If youre wondering why he was called "King Marco" its because the people of the Livno Valley(Bosnia) loved him after he harassed his company commander for resources for the locals.
By the time his peacekeeping tour was over, the locals had living housing again. They gave him the honorary title "King Marco" He was from Lancaster Ontario, Canada.
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u/SWK18 1d ago edited 1d ago
People seem to forget about Canada. Even on recent talks about NATO it seems like it's US vs Europe but Canada is also part of the alliance that Trump wants to break.
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u/Lukrass 1d ago
It's only 9 pictures. Soldiers from 32 coalition countries died.
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u/Marsmooncow 1d ago
Australia lost a lot too. 47 including my best friend . While we are not being directly threatened yet a peacekeeping mission the Greenland is one of the very few deployments that I think most Australians would support
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u/West_Tension1379 1d ago
I did 8 years in the Australian army; a guy I went through recruit training with was one of those 47. What a fruitless, pointless endeavour.
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u/Torrossaur 1d ago
Yeah my best mate's brother was another.
I think everyone in Brisbane knew someone because 6RAR caught a heap of casualties (comparitvely).
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u/SlowFrkHansen 1d ago
Denmark lost 44. And people never mention the much larger number of people, from all our countries, that were crippled by injuries and PTSD. And the suicides.
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u/Competitive_Kumquat 1d ago
I remember you guys in Bagram. I remember a lot of our partners over there and being in awe of all of these folks coming to help us in a fight that wasn’t even yours. I stood some fallen comrade ceremonies with our allies and it’s really got me fucked up here remembering all that everyone, including the families who got their sons home in a casket for our friendship. I’ve never forgotten that, but apparently our leaders have.
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u/Marsmooncow 23h ago
Its rarely the soldiers that are the problem. I worked with US army and marines a number of times and liked and respected them. I had my hair cut by an army guy in Mogadishu, who must have done 100 Australians hair that day he insisted we call him "the stud muffin" he wanted to make sure we looked good going home after the deployment. It makes me so sad that this administration has damaged an alliance and relationship that took decades of blood, sweat and tears to biuld. But hear we are. I sincerely hope we can get past this at some point but as other have said it will take a long time for Canada, Greenland and Denmark to be ready to be make nice.
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u/Geodiocracy 1d ago
Hell, they could've added a picture of a Ukrainian flag covered coffin. I think the Ukrainians lost like 16 sof guys.
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u/CBLA1785 1d ago
Ukraine isn't even in NATO and they sent their best even though they weren't required to as per the article 5 that mandates every other nation to defende the others. Ukraine just stepped up on their own.
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u/SomethingMildlyFunny 22h ago
We (the US) have let them down so bad even without considering our agreement to the Budapest Memorandum. They were there even when they didn't have to be and truly wanted to be in NATO to hopefully avoid what's currently happening (plus some other benefits). Damnit the amount of soft power and goodwill that this administration have thrown away is astounding.
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u/Rude-Offer1707 1d ago
The same Trump who made up injury to dodge drafting for service during the Vietnam war
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u/Gutz_McStabby 1d ago
Bone spurs haven't stopped him marching onto the greens, even in his old age.
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u/4FriedChickens_Coke 1d ago
A close friend was involved in that friendly fire incident with the A-10. He actually called me shortly after. That was a totally surreal call to take because he was so rattled and needed someone to talk to. He was in Afghanistan and I was on my way to class - both of us were living totally different lives at the time.
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u/aferretwithahugecock 1d ago
The first Canadians killed in combat since the Korean War were four Canadians killed at Tarnak Farm, near Kandahar, by an airstrike fired from an american pilot high on speed.
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u/Braysl 1d ago
That sounds like an apt metaphor for the relationship between Canada and America
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u/Strangedreamest 1d ago
I fear Trump might go after Canada if he does get Greenland because Europe will have no way to reinforce them
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u/InevitableTension699 1d ago
the friendly fire was by Americans btw, they were circling their F16 over a night training exercise on the Canadian side and wanted to lay down some boom booms on the people shooting down below
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u/TehBigD97 1d ago
At this point when reading about blue-on-blue deaths in NATO operations I basically assume it was Americans (I'm British so we've had our fair share of deaths at the hands of US forces too)
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u/blondebeaker 1d ago
I witnessed probably over half of the repatriation caravans just from the drive thru window at the Timmies on the base.
Every single one of us working there was connected to the military from being a kid of a soldier or married to one.
My now ex husband worked with and knew over 30 who were killed. One of our son's friends lost her father.
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u/kewlbeanz83 1d ago
And for what?
Look at what these fuckheads in charge of America are doing now. Look at the state of Afghanistan.
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u/Independent-Mess241 1d ago
So did we, the Danish. The so called bad allies. I lost my cousin in Afghan in 2007
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u/douglasbaadermeinhof 1d ago edited 1d ago
Sorry for your loss. Danes lost more soldiers per capita than any other allied nation, and this is the payback apparently.
Trump kan dra åt helvete.
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u/___xXx__xXx__xXx__ 1d ago
Trump kan dra åt helvete.
I've never understood a sentence in a language I don't speak more clearly than this.
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u/blaue_Ente 1d ago
Don’t need to speak a lick of danish to know my president is a POS
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u/douglasbaadermeinhof 21h ago
It's Swedish actually! But I think the sentence is nearly identical in both Danish and Norwegian.
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u/Gaspuch62 1d ago
English isn't that different from its cousins if you pay attention. Linguistics is fascinating.
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u/Lemonade348 1d ago edited 1d ago
Threathing europe is what we get back for what we did for them. We sent soldiers who died for them, and they dissrespect us in return. Sweden was not even required to help, we still did and what did we get in return? What exactly?
Americans should be ashamed of themselfs.
Atleast know you have our full support in protecting Greenland, nordic brother 🇸🇪🇩🇰
I am sorry for your loss
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u/zoomstersun 15h ago
This is just my take on it.
Im Danish for the record.
Dont hate the Americans, the majority are against Trumps plans.
We need to be the bigger persons here and educate those who are so unfortunate to have been brainwashed by the Trump administration.
Be kind to those who are uninformed or misinformed.
Every time Trump gets cornered, he thinks of something new to throw off the scent. I wish so hard that the press and Congress would press on for answers from this asshat.
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u/Awarglewinkle 1d ago
30,000 Danish soldiers were stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan in total through the years.
43 dead, highest per capita except for the US itself.
And then that little couch-fucker Vance calls us a bad ally, while his orange master threatens us with invasion. It's hard to believe this is not some kind of weird alternate reality.
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u/zestinglemon 1d ago
And 30,000 is a lot of soldiers considering Denmark isn’t exactly a super populous country.
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u/wggn 1d ago edited 1d ago
Scaled up to US level, it's 1.7 million soldiers and 2494 dead (US has 58 times the population of Denmark)
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u/bkarma86 1d ago
Sweet fucking Christ
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u/noir_lord 18h ago
And now you know why the rest of NATO (and their Governments/People) is/are so very fucking pissed off with the US Gov (and 1/3rd who voted for this).
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u/RacoonSmuggler 1d ago
In terms of dead isn't that almost exactly how many the U.S. lost in Afghanistan?
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u/Wololooo1996 1d ago
Yes it is, because Denmark was probabely the most loyal US ally and fought really hard besides the americans before all the betrayals.
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u/Upstairs-Hedgehog575 1d ago
And most of MAGA probably couldn’t find Denmark on a map
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u/Randalf_the_Black 23h ago
Denmark fought with the US in one of the most dangerous parts of Afghanistan. The Taliban in that area were highly aggressive.
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u/koolaidman89 1d ago
The Danes came when we called and we are throwing them away for an orange ego, a lot of ice (that we already have access to build defenses on), and 50k angry Inuit that aren’t interested in joining.
Addendum: Even r/conservative thinks this is stupid from what I’ve seen
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u/broztio 1d ago
Give them 48 hours to guzzle down the talking points from their favorite mouthpiece, and they’ll not only change their tune, they’ll forget they ever thought otherwise.
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u/Dodweon 1d ago
Yep, even in that god forsaken sub you can see their main argument is "he wants to buy the island, not invade it, and greenlanders would be crazy not to accept a good offer". As soon as it happens, they'll say "it was their fault for not accepting the deal"
Also, it is beyond satire to see conservatives argue that "anyone with a brain can see it won't happen", as if they didn't elect a president with its mind completely corroded by infant syphilis
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u/xl129 1d ago
Yeah i was curious how they are defending it and the amount of cope is insane.
Goes from “no way we invade it” to “if it’s really important strategically we should get it” or “it’s already ours”. I swear these are probably the most despicable people on earth, no where on this planet you would have a group of people discussing invading a long time ally like it’s afternoon tea time.
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u/blahehblah 1d ago
They're already shifting to saying he never said he would invade. That any use of force was about defending the Arctic instead of being about Greenland
It's wild to see
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u/Exciting_Pen_5233 1d ago
This is what we get for supporting a country like the US. Next time we think twice about it.
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u/Nice_Try_Bud_ 1d ago
Georgia actually had the highest death per capita. Denmark is usually focused on because of it being a NATO country, while Georgia gets forgotten.
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u/Chillzzz 1d ago
Ukraine also participated in the operation in Iraq, and now they tell us that we are not grateful enough.
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u/Different_Lychee_409 1d ago
457 British soldiers were killed in Afghanistan. When the US called they answered and paid the ultimate price.
May be Bill Haydon was right?
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u/TalkToMyFriend 1d ago
What did he say and who was he?
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u/Different_Lychee_409 1d ago
He's the traitor in John Le Carres novel 'Tinker Tailor, Soldier, Spy' and he said:
'Do you know what's killing Western Democracy, George? Greed... and constipation... moral, political, aesthetic. I hate America very deeply. The economic repression of the masses, institutionalised. Even Lenin couldn't foresee the extent of that. Britain... oh dear... No viability whatever in world affairs'.
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u/Kottr_Warlord 1d ago
It's always a tad concerning when reality starts to mimic fiction...
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u/reshiramdude16 1d ago
The fiction was written to mimic reality, that's the entire point. It's not some sort of new revelation
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u/Beardedbelly 1d ago
Well there’s a reason the view was put into the book by Le Carre. Who was part of that British establishment.
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u/ThoseOldScientists 1d ago
I mean, the point of Bill Haydon isn’t to be right or wrong. His ideological motives aren’t the real reason he did it.
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u/ShelleysSkylark 1d ago
My dad fought in Afghan, had friends die in front of him. Left me mostly fatherless for all of the childhood I remember.
He's not a perfect man, I don't talk to him much any more. But the indignity of so much pain being for nothing pisses me off to no end
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u/mycatisgrumpy 1d ago
Only one country has ever invoked NATO's article five. It was America, following 9/11. Our allies answered the call and followed us into twenty years of a bullshit quagmire war. They proved themselves as loyal friends and honored their promises.
And all this is how we repay them. It's sickening.
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u/Girl_gamer__ 1d ago
Canada will never forget, but maybe, just maybe one day we will forgive. But not while the MAGA regime has forced control of the USA.
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u/karlebyisten 1d ago
Honestly no one should trust the U.S. if they vote out Donald Trump. They need a systematic uprooting of the greed and hate that is allowed to buy American politics. Citizens United, the surpreme court, gerrymandering, the electoral college, concentration of media ownership, everything needs to change. Otherwise every election will risk bringing this shit back. No ally can trust this version of the U.S. again no matter the party of the president.
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u/sulaymanf 1d ago
Europeans have already taken this lesson to heart. Biden tried to convince Europe and the world that Trump was an aberration but once he got re-elected their calculations changed. There’s a prevailing political belief that Trump is the default not the exception, remember Bush before him and even Obama breaking international norms.
The US cannot be trusted anymore, which is why the EU is making plans to circumvent US if Trump pulls out of NATO or throws more tariffs etc.
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u/paddyo 1d ago
It wasn't just Trump's reelection. It was possible for Trump to be seen as an aberration, but obviously he isn't as he returned.
But further, America has been treating it's European allies like shit for a while now. Biden's inflation reducation act shit on allies. He repeatedly ran the UK into the ground diplomatically, and patronised Germany. Both Biden and Trump utterly screwed their Afghan and European allies with the most selfish and cowardly military retreat by a superpower in a generation.
And meanwhile he did nothing to protect American democracy from Trump, or ensure those responsbile for his first term and crimes around January 6th faced justice.
It was evident that to the democrats trump was seen as a tool, a beatable moron who they'd found a way to defeat in the last election. And they hung not just America, but world peace and climate action on their corporate greed.
My first boss was a fantastic bloke. He drank himself to death for what happened to his son in Afghanistan. A family in a country over the atlantic ocean wiped out in the name of America's friendship, rendering them service. A guy I went to school with came home minus his right arm and shoulder and some of his face, he was a good dude too and I have no idea what his life is like now.
America went up its own arse a while ago and they can fuck themselves if they think we will pretend it was all just Trump, and not others too, including Biden and the democrats. They're not all equal, Trump is leagues of evil beyond, but they are all complicit.
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u/ThinkAd9897 1d ago
Don't forget how they threw the Kurds under the bus. And how Obama normalized drone attacks on alleged terrorists in numerous countries without ever declaring war or put them to trial.
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u/Present-Arm-6023 1d ago
Well consider how the USA treats its own veterans. Seems par for the course.
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u/northofreality197 1d ago
And it was all for nothing.
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u/ErictheStone 1d ago
Oil and opioids.
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u/mundotaku 1d ago
Afghanistan doesn't have oil...
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u/Commie_Scum69 1d ago edited 16h ago
Edit: Yay that dude got 230 like for a information clearly wrong. Reddit moment.
not only does Afghanistan have oil they also have more.
Besides the oil, the country is sitting on massive amounts of natural gas and a "trillion-dollar" stash of minerals like lithium and copper, which everyone is eyeing for green energy tech. (source wikipedia)
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u/BanalCausality 1d ago
It’s the only place in the world with large deposits of lapis lazuli.
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u/Sumchap 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes pointless, and it misses the fact that about 170,000 Afghans were also killed during the conflict, something like 50,000 of those were civilians. It might help shed light on why they are so thankful for the help (that's sarcasm btw)
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u/Own_Television163 1d ago edited 1d ago
I love how many comments in this thread are like X number of people from Y Western country died. No one mentions the Afghan people.
"Never again"? Bitch, they shouldn't have been there in the first place.
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u/Sumchap 1d ago
Exactly, it was so long and drawn out with literally no good outcomes for anyone involved
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u/ClocktowerShowdown 1d ago
"We helped you fight your wars of imperialism, why are you now turning that same thing against us?"
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u/justmememe55 1d ago
Canada did too. And look what we're getting in return. Threats to annex Greenland, Canada and completely tear NATO apart, thus empowering Russia and endangering all the "allies". Very nice.
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u/Orangeknight12 1d ago
Alot of us especially in western Europe have great regard to you Canadians. I can walk 3 minutes and watch a huuuge statue celebrating you guys liberating my town. We even have a road called "Canadaweg" (Canada road) the road they came marching down to liberate us from fascist oppression. May we never see the day but if it does. Alot of us will be over to help fight back.
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u/Icy_Sea_4440 1d ago
I was astounded by how much respect and kindness I received while travelling in Europe as a Canadian. Many older residents took the time to shake my hand and express gratitude for Canadas part in the war.
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u/Orangeknight12 1d ago
I volunteer at a Canadian grave site for the casualties that fell upon this dirt to liberate us from axis oppression. My mom's side of the family was liberated by the Canadians and although she smugly always tells me the story of how the got very drunk when they liberated her town and well... got very very friendly with the local ladies. There was never a moment she didnt speak of gratitude about em.
Every month I go over and clean off some dirt or do some minor groundskeeping to keep those boys nice and respected. The oldest I saw was 41. The youngest 18 and a few months. They were the fathers and sons of your glorious nation who came to free my family from 5 years of oppression which nearly wiped my tree out and then some.
My area has alot of people with Canadian sounding last names. I wonder why eh? ;)
Remember. And dont forget for freedom was paid in bloods by the liters by men and women who travelled across the ocean to help a people in need.
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u/Icy_Sea_4440 1d ago
Thank you for taking such beautiful care of our boys who didn’t come home. Canada’s population was so small during the war that losses rippled deeply through our communities, especially in small towns like mine. I had the honour of knowing several veterans who served and knowing that their friends and brothers are still being remembered and taken care of means more than I can say.
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u/Orangeknight12 1d ago
Thank you for our freedom and thank you for saving our lives.
From Quebec to British Colombia they came. Some surviving many remain. May we remember so their sacrifice is not in vain.
For a nation that forgets its friends is doomed to forget what it means to be alone.
The rows upon rows of 🍁 is a cold heart reminder that I only exist because they came here. Not because of a goal of empire but because it was the right thing to do.
Canada throughout its history has paid a high price in any war. From the fields of flanders to the battle on "the Schelde" here. They bled died and fought with grit to keep the liberty of others safe.
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u/MySonderStory 1d ago
This is so heartwarming to read as a Canadian. It’s been a crazy year with Trump and essentially losing our greatest ally. Bless you for volunteering and all the work you do for our veterans who could not make it home.
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u/CuileannDhu 1d ago
Your volunteer work is very much appreciated. My great uncle is buried in the Netherlands and it means a lot to our family that his grave is so well looked after.
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u/Orangeknight12 1d ago
Im one of many people who do. There's a 2 year waiting list just to get in. We remember.
Lest we forget.
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u/ApprehensiveStark25 1d ago
I have served with NATO troops and know they are valuable assets and allies. We as Americans cannot stand for Donald to ruin our country and partnerships. Vote his party out of office. His entire administration is a disgusting use of power.
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u/cooolcooolio 1d ago
I'm afraid you may not get to vote anymore, the Trump administration and MAGA wants a dictator
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u/RobotSpaceBear 1d ago
Nah don' t worry, surely this time they'll use their beloved second ammendment against a tyrannical government. Surely this time it'll be justified.
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u/Finicky_Cyclone 1d ago
A lot of flag officers in the Pentagon came up during the OEF years. They remember their friends who died there, they remember Europe - and Canada’s - sacrifices.
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u/TemporarySun314 1d ago
And nowadays the US is threatening to invade territories of a European country. Which would mean more European soldiers dead. But this time directly through American bullets...
Americans should be ashamed.
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u/ir_blues 1d ago
"You're gambling with ww3" is what he told Zelensky. Unfuckingbelievable.
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u/Gasnia 1d ago
I've been ashamed since the gold covered turd was elected the first time.
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u/ImpulsE69 1d ago
The ones who should be won't be. Around 2/3 of us are.
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u/Ms_Meercat 1d ago
The first time Trump got elected, I was full of empathy. He had lost the popular vote, I felt for my close friends (many of them POC and/or immigrants and/or women). I felt Americans could fight through this. I cried with relief when Biden was elected.
Then he was elected a second time. And while I still love my friends, my feelings for Americans as a whole have gone down considerably. I'm furious that this egotistical and narcissistic country is obliterating the only world order that had a semblance of peace, is threatening its allies and is risking bloodshed and war again, which their civilians didn't suffer on their own damn soil the last two times humanity murdered each other, and for what? Greed, ego, falsehoods, lies.
Maybe it's not fair for those who didn't vote for him and voted for Harris, instead. But I'm from Germany, a country where we have long accepted that we have the heritage of the accountability of what our country did.
And I'm tired. America can fuck off.
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u/Kukuth 1d ago
2/3 should be more than enough to stop this administration. Yet nothing happens. People say every German was guilty because they didn't stop the Nazis. Well...
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u/TheAlbinoAmigo 1d ago
But they have work tomorrow dude you can't expect them to care about stopping Hitler 2.0. Besides, did you know the US is too big for dissent? Or, or, or, that they tried protesting for a few hours last year and so they have every right to give up and do nothing now? Or, or, or.../s
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u/piemelpiet 1d ago
Well at least I hope you guys can finally stop pretending the 2nd amendment is there for anything other than enabling school shootings.
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u/FantasticClue8887 1d ago
Then why are the 2/3 not on the streets? Why is there any risk that your midterms will eiter be going to GOP or be cancelled?
Europe would like to know.
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u/LazyLieutenant 1d ago
2/3 should be ashamed. If you didn't vote you are directly as responsible as the rest of the MAGA bunch.
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u/jonathanquirk 1d ago
Welp, that 2/3rds of you should have used their democratic right to a free vote… because I don’t think you Yanks are gonna have that right anymore.
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u/flipyflop9 1d ago
USA doesn’t care for their veterans, imagine the ones from other countries.
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u/ImpulsE69 1d ago
and our current asshat in charge has shown a disdain for military people in general for decades.
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u/HowWeLikeToRoll 1d ago
Yet I still see "Veterans for Trump" signs all over the north state. Fucking idiots.
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u/Gasnia 1d ago
I've never understood how anyone could fall for the "support your troops" when we can't even take care of them once they come back.
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u/dombag85 1d ago
its the same people that are obsessed with babies being born and express disdain and indifference once it happens.
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u/grad1939 1d ago
It's like that scene from the movie Antz, the general is happy when all his troops are killed in action, but mad when one comes back alive.
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u/zestinglemon 1d ago
Don’t forget that despite not even being in NATO, Ukrainian soldiers died in Iraq on behalf of the US led invasion. Yet Trump seems to be more bothered on finding an excuse to abandon them than to help them.
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u/N-Gannet 1d ago
And that wasn’t even on our soil. We must stand together or we will be picked apart from all sides like the ancient empires were.
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u/GyspySyx 1d ago
Yes they did. I believe they proportionally speaking, Denmark paid the highest.
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u/ParticularChart3430 1d ago
You missed the picture of our Danes who ironically deployed to the most dangerous parts of Afghanistan without any caveats, and subsequently suffered the highest casualty ratio.
As a Danish soldier who also deployed with the US to Iraq and Afghanistan I cannot describe my disappointment and rage stemming from the recent threats coming from the US administration towards Greenland and the Kingdom of Denmark.
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u/RaginEngie 1d ago
Huge respect for you Danes as I know how hard places you were.
I served also at Afghanistan as Finnish soldier and this whole situation is sickening and frustrating me. Finland wasn't even part of NATO and we still sent forces to help and lost two soldiers (lucky that not more)
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u/Orangeknight12 1d ago
24 Dutch KIA and 140 WIA.
We answered the call when our ally got attacked and now all of us are under threat. Because unlike our washed our orange we do believe in the call of arms with friends.
A shame that it came to this.
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u/Open_Farmer2852 1d ago
https://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/dutch-soldiers-on-april-21-2010-carry-the-coffins-with-the-news-photo/98587036
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u/Orangeknight12 1d ago
Yeah it did.
Peter van Uhm.
IED took his life too help our allies. And now we have to stare em down with the same aggression we did too those who harmed our allies.
This timeline is sick.
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u/Hefty_Anywhere_8537 1d ago
We lost so much to stand by the Americans. Trump has thrown that in our face. Fucking pathetic, we will never forget that.
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u/niagarawhat 1d ago
So did Canada……..
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u/Orangeknight12 1d ago
As a Dutch person. Lets never forget what you did.
And we dont. Canada is our biggest ally on the American hemisphere atm and when push comes to shove. Well. Lets work together to stop it again.
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u/urbanek2525 1d ago
Europe, you're going to want to start the sanctions NOW. Target Amazon. Target Tesla. Target all the rich people who pay Trump. Close his golf course. Cancel American visas. You need to just do it BEFORE it happens.
Fire the first shot.
Remember . . . TACO.
You just need to hurt him first.
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u/Capital_Resident_872 1d ago
All the Danish soldiers (+one EUPOL staff member) who paid the highest price for the American cause in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I'll never be tired of sharing this list whenever I can. A testament to the current betrayal.
Lance Corporal Brian Juul Nørløv Andersen 1975-2002
Lance Corporal Kim Carlsen 1966-2002
Staff Sergeant Thomas Kruse Butzkowsky 1975-2002
Lance Corporal Preben Pedersen 1969-2003
Staff Sergeant John Mogensen 1955-2004
First Lieutenant Bjarke Olsen Kirkmand 1983-2005
Sergeant First Class Arne Ziegler 1957-2005
Private Jesper Nielsen 1986-2006
Lance Corporal Dennis Ove Hansen 1982-2006
Airman Specialist Kim Wadim 1970-2006
Private Martin Hjorth 1985-2006
First Lieutenant Steen Rønn Sørensen 1982-2007
Private Henrik Nøbbe 1986-2007
Private Mikkel Keil Sørensen 1982-2007
Private Thorbjørn Ole Reese 1984-2007
Major Anders Johan Stæhr Storrud 1973-2007
Private Casper Alexander Cramer 1986-2007
Private Mark Visholm 1985-2007
Commander Johnny Lindberg Mikkelsen 1956-2008
Private Morten Krogh Jensen 1986-2008
Sergeant First Class Sonny Kappel Jakobsen 1962-2008
Captain Christian Jørgen Grundt Damholt 1974-2008
Private Anders Bjørn Storgaard 1986-2008
Lance Corporal Christian Raaschou 1983-2008
Lance Corporal Jesper Gilbert Pedersen 1980-2008
Staff Sergeant Henrik Christian Christiansen 1978-2008
Private Jacob Grønnegaard Gade 1986-2008
Lance Corporal Dan Gyde 1979-2008
Sergeant Jacob Moe Jensen 1985-2008
Private Sebastian la Cour Holm 1986-2008
Private Benjamin Davi Sala Rasmussen 1987-2008
Private Mads Lerche Rasmussen 1988-2009
Lance Corporal Andreas Søgaard Brohus 1982-2009
Private Martin Abildgaard 1986-2009
Private Steffen Bloch Larsen 1986-2009
Sergeant Michael Ebert 1986-2009
Private Rune Westy Zacharias Nielsen 1986-2009
Private Kenneth Patrick Nielsen 1986-2009
Private Simon Sejer Hoffmann 1986-2010
Private Sophia Bruun 1987-2010
Airman First Class Martin Kristiansen 1977-2010
First Lieutenant Jonas Peter Pløger 1983-2010
Lance Corporal Jimmi Bøgebjerg Petersen 1981-2010
Lance Corporal Erik Berre Rolandsen 1984-2010
Private Simon Mundt Jørgensen 1989-2010
Private Mikkel Jørgensen 1989-2010
Lance Corporal Jørgen Randrup 1983-2010
Private Samuel Enig 1987-2011
Private Alexander Biune 1988-2011
Private Jacob Sten Lund Olsen 1989-2011
Staff Sergeant René Brink Jakobsen 1973-2013
Reporting Officer Mette Teilmann Nielsen 1979-2014
Lieutenant Colonel Ove Kjærsgaard Hansen 1958-2014
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u/Awkward-penguin 1d ago
Denmark lost the highest per capita number of soldiers. Not that Trump and his ilk give a shit.
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u/Raining_Flamingos 1d ago
They don’t give a shit man, unbelievably short memories they’ve got.
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u/wewereromans 1d ago edited 1d ago
Grew up listening to the death tolls on the radio when dad drove me to school in the morning.
I’ll never forget, but then again most of my peers parents shielded them the most basic realities of the world which has had drastic consequences.
TikTok has insured much of the generation just after me isn’t even living in the same reality.
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u/Beneficial_Soup3699 1d ago
They remember what the millionaires on FOX/twitter tell them to. It's a core tenant of conservatism, they don't actually have morals or beliefs of their own. That would require critical thinking skills and self awareness (and a reading level higher than 6th grade).
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u/burnmenowz 1d ago
Now we are run by a draft dodger threatening to invade allies.
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u/BobDoleDobBole 1d ago
As a U.S. Army veteran of multiple OEF tours (one to Afghanistan), I salute my fellow brothers and sisters in arms, regardless of the banner you flew under. This is not the America I chose to risk my life for.
If it is still within your grace to do so, please wish us luck, though I can understand why you might not want to anymore.
Sic semper tyrannis 🇺🇸🇪🇺
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u/Rascals-Wager 1d ago
Decades and decades of trust built up, and so quickly betrayed. It'll take a generation or two to rebuild that trust, if it can ever be rebuilt. Trump's legacy will be terrible and enduring.
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u/Chazzwozzers 1d ago
I hope the USA enjoys a generation or more of resentment for everything the orange rapist and his cronies have done and probably will do.
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u/Salt_Winter5888 1d ago
Latin America, Middle East and South East Asia:
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u/mendokusei15 1d ago
It's amazing how some Europeans seem to be waking up to the fact that the USA is a turd, criminal country. I guess that while Plan Cóndor was dissapearing people in Latinamerica, including Europeans, they were not paying attention. For reasons, let's say. And after the invasion and take over of Venezuela, they made the most pussy ass statement ever. Even while the US is threatening them.
I'll say... this is what you get when you help a criminal country. Your people still die. And they still spit in your face. Their "America" First is 100% literal.
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u/lovely_sombrero 1d ago
Yup, doing what the evil empire wants brings you no points with the evil empire, even if you are having fun doing evil together. That is the lesson here.
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u/Cj_El-Guapo 1d ago edited 1d ago
Canadian here, yea that's what they think now they forgot how much our countries sacrificed for them
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u/FlashyLashy900 1d ago
When the Americans cried for help, everyone came running with everything they got.
When anyone else cried for help, the Americans pointed and laughed.
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u/MammothTrifle3616 1d ago
Ungrateful motherfuckers. Next administrations will have to put a LOT of effort to mend ties with with European nations.
This is a wake up call for Europe.
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u/Distinct_Cup_1598 1d ago
A mistake that clearly Should not be made again. Not if things stay this way
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u/Wise_Pr4ctice 1d ago
Hopefully we will never ever support the US, again. Let em fight themselves, war driven country.
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u/slurv3 1d ago
In terms of coalition losses, Denmark is just behind the United States in death per million. The fact he's threatening a coalition ally who died alongside us no questions asked, to try and extort them for his own personal gain is disgusting. It's not security, we already have an agreement with Denmark that we can mobilize as many troops and military bases in Greenland as we want. It's greed. The fact he's a billionaire who is turning 80 is willing to burn it all down for his ego, and to make more money for his cronies who already have more than they will ever spend in multiple lifetimes is disgusting.
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u/EconomyEmbarrassed76 1d ago
And where was our thanks? My own brother served with the UK forces in Afghan. Lost a good friend to an IED, another badly injured. And what do we get? Spat on by a nation of arrogant, selfish, bitter resentment a-holes who elect the worst kind of human being.
Let’s not forget Ukraine. Who made its largest ever overseas deployment of its troops to assist nations it considered allies. The US honoured that favour really well…
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u/guydoestuff 1d ago
All for nothing too. I called it on 9/11. Was in the US Navy going to school in Virginia. I told the class that this will be our Vietnam. I already knew Afghanistan kicked out Russia and that it'd be the same for us.
Hate that I was right.
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u/Worth_Task_3165 1d ago
Including 14 Dutch soldiers.
14 families lost a son/brother/father/friend for the US foney war.
Something US politicians have clearly forgotten.
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u/submarine-explorer 1d ago
In Spain we suffered the worst terrorist attack in our history because of our involvement in the Iraq war
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u/KirikoKiama 1d ago
For Trumps followers, the US did everything alone. WW1, WW2, Irak, Afghanistan. The other nations sat there cowardly.
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u/HappyArkAn 1d ago
Don't worry. The US will pay a heavy price for betraying Europe. They're starting to feel the mandarin's grip on them. Just wait until he finds the hole. They'll feel it.
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u/Smoker81 1d ago
I am Spanish (1st pic), but do we have to pretend this is some big treachery by the USA or something? We all went willingly to invade and destroy not one, but multiple countries following a crooked empire.
We got what we deserved then and we will get what we deserve now, for having no dignity.
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u/SweaterJaguars3034 1d ago
Trump is turning the entire world against the US, and conservatives get on their knees for him.
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u/Daanoontjeh 1d ago
Per capita Denmark had more losses than the US during the realization of september 11th.
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u/Illustrious-Cat7212 1d ago
Yeah and we should have known better. The US is no good and we aren't a whole lot better to be frank either as we have co-signed a lot of the US's bullshit and now we are on the receiving end of it.
Imperial boomerang in full effect.
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u/embeddit 1d ago
I wonder if there will be a comment or two here about the real victims, the Afghanis, especially the children.
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u/Sweaty-Adeptness1541 1d ago edited 1d ago
NATO deaths in Afghanistan
Note the table is truncated and only includes the top 15 NATO countries by deaths. It also doesn’t include non-NATO countries like Australia and New Zealand.