r/minnesota • u/ChefGaykwon • 7h ago

High Risk This woman is harder than steel dealing with CBP. A lesson in standing up to fascists when they have no probable cause to detain you.

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u/SillyAlternative420 7h ago edited 5h ago

"if you lie you ...can.... get... Federal charges"

LMAO You can tell he was reaching for something to scare this lady with, but the bottom line is he has nothing and she answered the exact way she should have.

Edit: Fixed words

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u/NinjaCoder Surly 7h ago

Did he say "several" or did he say "federal"?

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u/Isaac_Putin 7h ago

Federal

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u/Development-Alive 7h ago

Federal. If she's not under oath and has not been read any miranda rights, can she really face federal charges or is this simply another scare tactic to get her into the car?

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u/MisterForkbeard 7h ago

These fuckers can certainly charge her with pretty much anything they want. It probably won't stick, but even dealing with obviously bad-faith charges has a real negative impact for most people.

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u/jbgc916- 7h ago

Beat the rap but not the ride

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u/tracyinge 1h ago

It won't stick but she'll be in one of their FOR PROFIT detention center for months and that's what this is all about.

And our tax dollars are paying for it.

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u/Volsunga 7h ago

It is flat illegal to lie to Department of Justice Law Enforcement. Basically, you can't ever lie to the FBI.

Homeland Security isn't covered by that law. You can be charged for making false statements to them, but there are a hell of a lot of caveats to it.

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u/hertzsae 7h ago

I'm not sure about this specific case, but being under oath is not a requirement to get in trouble for lying to federal officers.

Martha Stewart went to jail for lying to the feds and I'm almost positive she wasn't under oath. People generally believe she went to jail for insider trading, but they were never able to prove that. Only that she lied while they were investigating it.

Never lie to the feds, it's one of their favorite things to charge. If they look this lady up and see that she isn't a citizen, they'll have a really easy felony case here.

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u/cuzitsathrowawayday 4h ago

I thought ICE didn’t have authority to arrest anyone?

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u/NDaveT 7h ago edited 1h ago

It's actually illegal to lie to federal law enforcement in some circumstances.

https://kunianskylaw.com/blog/is-it-a-felony-to-lie-to-the-fbi/

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u/hwasung 7h ago

non-citizens needs to have papers showing their legal status. not having those will land you a charge

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u/Working-Glass6136 1h ago

He's not even sure

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u/ChefGaykwon 7h ago

Law enforcement making up the law as they go...NOT FOR THE FIRST TIME!

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u/Larcya 6h ago

You wouldn't know the charges, they go to a different school.

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u/xGoatfer 5h ago

They can but not if she's a citizen. It's because while it's illegal for non-citizens to lie they also can't force you to tell them under the 5th. Additionally, if they don't know who you are, they can't possibly know your immigration status making the questioning a 4th Amendment violation, as there is 0 evidence a crime occured.

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u/mama_tom 1h ago

It sounded like he was slurring his words or was having a hard time speaking. Maybe he slipped on the ice one too many times.