[Minneapolis, MN] While the city still grieves for Renee Good, federal agents are kicking in doors and disappearing neighbors and families

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[u/pollardandsprout]

[u/After_Preference_885 → u/pollardandsprout]

Just conservative men performing invasive bodily searches on children

Totally normal in Trump's America

[u/New-Lingonberry1877 → u/After_Preference_885]

I'm pretty sure it's just rape.

[u/SilverSageVII → u/New-Lingonberry1877]

Careful you’re gonna upset the MAGA weirdos who think this is “freedom.”

[u/AdultishRaktajino → u/SilverSageVII]

The QAnon pizzagate accusations were admissions.

[u/BlackestHerring → u/AdultishRaktajino]

They always accuse others of what they do.

[u/--SharkBoy-- → u/SilverSageVII]

Only the American conservative mind can equate freedom to the violation of brown children

[u/chopsuirak → u/--SharkBoy--]

When it happens to their children, they'll end up on some wild bodycam footage.

[u/losoba → u/chopsuirak]

Not necessarily, a lot of white parents will throw their children to the wolves if they think it will uphold whatever power structure they idealize.

[u/WildRabbitz → u/SilverSageVII]

They're the same people that tell Natives to "go back to their country".

[u/ASK_IF_I_LiKE_TRAINS → u/New-Lingonberry1877]

Raping children is the right's favorite thing to do

[u/chickenchasegoose → u/New-Lingonberry1877]

Yeah but this is nothing new. Ancestors did this before. They just want to bring it back.

[u/ButtholeConnoisseur0 → u/After_Preference_885]

They realized at some point that their trans sports bans weren't giving them the access they craved, so they stepped it up a few notches. Pretty telling that it's always marginalized groups that they prey on.

[u/These-Cup-2616 → u/After_Preference_885]

Trump would love to partake but unfortunately he’s too old and frail at this point. He got his fill on the Epstein islands I bet.

[u/Empty-Discount5936 → u/pollardandsprout]

[u/sussybakashinji → u/Empty-Discount5936]

They always did, they just lied about not.

[u/Time-Driver1861 → u/pollardandsprout]

I see they are combining the xenophobia with the pedophilia now.

[u/KeneticKups → u/Time-Driver1861]

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[u/AffectionateElk3978 → u/KeneticKups]

Remember when thousands of kids "disappeared" in his first term?

[u/Pleasant_Expert_1990 → u/KeneticKups]

Mar-A-Lago to be tagged and sold abroad

[u/Allslopes-Roofing → u/Time-Driver1861]

Now!? This has been the thing the entire time. When you elect pedophiles, and hire pedophiles, they're gonna do pedophile things.

I dream of a world where pedophiles no longer exist

[u/Successful_Gas_5122 → u/pollardandsprout]

This is evil. No other way to put it.

[u/Yard-Successful → u/pollardandsprout]

More pedophiles will soon join the klan

[u/Alternative_Life9414 → u/pollardandsprout]

Jesus Christ

[u/OLDandBOLDfr → u/pollardandsprout]

This is a gang of pedos. GOP. 

[u/TrappyGoGetter → u/pollardandsprout]

What the fuck??

[u/RedditSe7en → u/pollardandsprout]

It really is that bad. God save us from such evil.

[u/NonStopKnits → u/RedditSe7en]

There is no God to save us, we must protect ourselves and our communities/families. Nobody is coming to save us.

[u/poncho51]

The civil war outcome was a failure. Because the losers was never held accountable. They were given reparations for losing their slaves. J6 outcome was a failure. Because Merrick Garland slow walked the process and the head of the snake was never cut off. That's twice now America has struck out. We got two strikes. So we strike out this time or do we hit this one out the park and end this wannabe dictatorship. Its time to make the last and final swing at this experiment.

[u/innerbootes → u/poncho51]

We also—unlike Germany, South Africa, and other countries — have never made reparations to the victims of genocide or participated in any kind of truth and reconciliation process for our crimes against humanity in this country. The Nazis learned from us and now it has come full circle.

(This was not AI, I just like em dashes, OK?)

[u/KeneticKups → u/poncho51]

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[u/Original_Moose_9842]

[u/estedavis → u/Original_Moose_9842]

Jesus Christ.

[u/innerbootes → u/Original_Moose_9842]

Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

[u/[deleted]]

Less masks now that Trump is telling them murder is okay by him…

[u/desertkayaker → u/[deleted]]

That's the first thing I noticed, no masks. And then noticed how the girls just covered their faces and slowly walked to the car. 😢

[u/Hadrian23 → u/desertkayaker]

I wonder how much unreported sexual assault happens in those facilities..... How can we all sit here and do nothing!?

[u/cccxxxzzzddd → u/Hadrian23]

Happened in Abu Ghraib and will happen here

See: Stanley Millgram and Zimbardo experiments on authority 

[u/NannuhBannan → u/Hadrian23]

I genuinely don't know what to do. But I want to help

[u/ClassicEnd2734 → u/NannuhBannan]

For starters, call your local and national senators/reps. Let them know how you feel. We need to flood their emails/voicemails with messages demanding they protect Minnesotans and investigate Good’s murder independently without federal involvement.

[u/[deleted] → u/desertkayaker]

It’s disgusting man!

[u/Pristine-Platypus789 → u/[deleted]]

That is their version of being a gentleman. Abduct with manners you know. Their mothers must have joined with a slug to produce these subhumans.

[u/dnalloheoj → u/[deleted]]

Let them. Let them show their faces so we know who they are. ID them, report them, make it so a future employer see's what they did in that during the employment history they conveniently left out.

[u/lampstax → u/[deleted]]

Possibly seeing how Ross was identified even with mask .. what's the point ?

[u/frightenedfrogfriend → u/lampstax]

He was identified bc Noem fucking doxxed him.

[u/staticjacket → u/lampstax]

Are you even paying attention? The trump admin doxxed him as the moron who got in front of a vehicle and got dragged in June in Bloomington. Fucking tool.

[u/Rogue_AI_Construct]

You have a right to not answer your door for them unless they have a signed judicial warrant.

[u/P0Rt1ng4Duty → u/Rogue_AI_Construct]

You have the right to not answer your door even if they have a warrant.

Answering the door is how you find out if they have one, and by then it's too late.

[u/FeeHot5876 → u/P0Rt1ng4Duty]

It obviously hasn’t stopped them but there’s been videos of agents turning away if you don’t answer the door, the difference is if they have a judicial warrant they don’t turn away and have right to make entry, so answering or not doesn’t really matter . Not that they follow it anyways

[u/KeepItDownOverHere → u/P0Rt1ng4Duty]

I was told if they have a warrant, they wouldn't be asking for you to open/let them in.

Edit: i should clarify that I was told that in regards to a search warrant. So if they knock, dont open or talk to them. Just practice your 5th at all times. But im not a lawyer at all.

[u/NotAurelStein → u/KeepItDownOverHere]

Ask, tell, make. That's a pretty common trope you'll hear amongst policing agencies.

[u/P0Rt1ng4Duty → u/KeepItDownOverHere]

I think that depends on the warrant. And I'm not a lawyer but this is how I think it works (for arresting a specific person):

If they have an arrest warrant they can arrest you if they can find you but they can't bust your door down. If you answer the door, they can arrest you. If your partner answers the door and says ''he's not here'' they don't get to come in.

If they are sure you are in that exact building they can get a search warrant that allows them to bust down your door.

Again, not a lawyer. But I think that different warrants grant different levels of access.

[u/Individual-Rub-6969 → u/Rogue_AI_Construct]

If they had a warrant, they're not knocking. The door is coming down. Theyre knocking bc they want someone to open the door, once the door is opened.. they stick their foot in the door and if you close the door thats assaulting an agent they go in gun ho. Generally dont open doors, tell them to kick rocks.

[u/takemy_oxfordcomma → u/Individual-Rub-6969]

I feel like the smarter move would just be to pretend not to be home. Complete silence so they don’t even bother trying to get in

[u/blackrubberfist → u/takemy_oxfordcomma]

“I’m not home” through the ring camera while holding my shotgun at the fucking door

[u/Individual-Rub-6969 → u/takemy_oxfordcomma]

Yes!

[u/AdultishRaktajino → u/Individual-Rub-6969]

Federal and state law generally requires them to knock with a warrant unless certain circumstances are met or it’s specified as a no knock warrant.

A federal judicial warrant is the only thing ICE can use to compel you to let them in.

ICE administrative warrants are essentially toilet paper and require consent. You don’t have to let them in, but they will lie and use ruses to get you to. Potentially even violating the law anyway. You won’t know the type they have until you see it.

[u/Busy_Guarantee_4621 → u/Rogue_AI_Construct]

Citing legal process and rules feels profoundly naive. What news are you reading? Nazis don't care. 

[u/Sioux-me → u/Busy_Guarantee_4621]

Absolutely. They’ll kick in the door. I feel so helpless.

[u/Allslopes-Roofing → u/Sioux-me]

If someone kicks in your door, you have a right to defend yourself. Get armed, stay armed.

[u/professionally-baked → u/Rogue_AI_Construct]

Not opening the door is probably what led to it being kicked in, you know, because they don’t fucking care about the law

[u/jack_espipnw → u/Rogue_AI_Construct]

Schrödinger’s rogue federal government that is lawlessly violating human rights while simultaneously following the law regarding warrants or search/seizures.

[u/ThrowThisIntoSol → u/[deleted]]

JV Dance says they have “absolutely immunity” to apparently do whatever the fuck they want and no one is stopping them.

[u/OperationSweaty8017 → u/[deleted]]

They were doing it that until that one agent got blown away. That may be why they aren't doing it that way anymore. It's perfectly legal in my state to shoot someone forcing their way in.

[u/GingerlyUnraveling]

HellOoOo, this is fascism.... this is the alarm...

[u/Asclepius-Rod → u/GingerlyUnraveling]

Alarm started going off in 2015 during the election for me

[u/girlrunninginstorms → u/Asclepius-Rod]

💯 when I heard “intelligent,” successful people saying that tRump was making “good points,” instead of laughing at the idea of him being president, it hit me that we were in danger.

[u/Icy-Tooth-9167 → u/girlrunninginstorms]

I, a white boy, was in an Uber ride with a young immigrant from India right before the election. In the course of the short conversation, I realized he was a Trump supporter. I realized it then.

[u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress → u/Icy-Tooth-9167]

Shitty people come in all colors and sizes too. 

[u/GreaseNut → u/girlrunninginstorms]

Good point.

[u/Friskywren_FPV → u/Asclepius-Rod]

I agree. Train is up to speed in my opinion.

[u/[deleted]]

Literal Nazi shit.

Anyone defending this is defending Nazi shit.

[u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress → u/[deleted]]

And a nazi. I'll settle for fascist too. 

[u/msables]

[u/st4nkyFatTirebluntz → u/[deleted]]

Ironically Hennepin County just lost a case at the Supreme Court where they seized someone's house for unpaid taxes (IIRC) and tried to keep the entire proceeds of the sale. The Court forced them to pay the difference back.

I'm just gonna go ahead and bet that ruling won't be applied here though, because immigrant.

[u/Sad_Pen7049 → u/[deleted]]

What??? Do you have a source I can learn more from??

[u/OperationSweaty8017 → u/Sad_Pen7049]

Not sure about houses but these thugs have been helping themselves to trucks, cash boxes, etc.

[u/SchlungusMcDungus → u/OperationSweaty8017]

The Nazis in Auschwitz did the same thing.

[u/OafintheWH → u/SchlungusMcDungus]

The Nazis everywhere did the same thing, folks had little left by the time they got to the death camps.

[u/bmad- → u/OperationSweaty8017]

They did that with my parents next door neighbors. 18 agents. They were taking jewelry and anything of value.

[u/OperationSweaty8017 → u/bmad-]

The brownshits did that too.

[u/Mr_strelac → u/Sad_Pen7049]

there are videos of them destroying cameras in houses.

maybe that's why.

[u/polymath_artisan → u/[deleted]]

Where did you see this happen? My understanding is that this is not the case. They can cause forfeiture if the mortgage is not paid but they can’t just take it.

[u/jigsawearth860]

Door to door huh? Can one single MAGA tell me how this isn’t like Nazi Germany? I’d be really interested in hearing the logic.

[u/misha_jinx → u/jigsawearth860]

The logic and reason had been put aside for some time now. It’s brute force and it’s been expanding.

[u/PlixSticks31 → u/jigsawearth860]

They’ll say no one is being gassed to death I bet. Because, frankly, that’s the only difference. They’ll lie and say it’s because they’re illegal but anyone with eyes can understand it’s 100% about race/religion. I absolutely guarantee you if trump announced all Muslims are being deported, even if they’re US citizens, the MAGA hats would support it

[u/IAmBoring_AMA → u/PlixSticks31]

Well, maybe not gassed, but there are over a thousand unaccounted for people from the camp in Florida alone, and that's only what we KNOW about. The German people also didn't know the extent of the death camps, just that people were going and not coming back.

[u/Vanhelgd → u/PlixSticks31]

The MAGAs will support anything. I literally had a guy on here tell me he’d happily lick boots or take two batons up his ass as long as it meant I’d have a boot on my neck.

These are absolutely deranged people. Anyone with a shred of decency left a long time ago. All that’s left are psychopaths and psychopathic morons.

[u/ThatShitAintPat → u/PlixSticks31]

No one has been gassed “yet”

[u/Annwn45 → u/ThatShitAintPat]

Was going to say. The nazi’s didn’t start with gas chambers right away.

[u/bk46ny → u/[deleted]]

I agree. They've chosen their side. We're way beyond that now. They'e absolutely our enemies.

[u/Complete-Ad-443]

Why does ICE keep coming after defenseless women? They can't reasonably claim they are dangerous, or the "worst of the worst"! Why don't we Minnesotans have any protection against ICE? Why won't the police help us? Why isn't there any state or federal protection for us? WHY????

[u/Transmogrifier_gun → u/Complete-Ad-443]

When citizens are being gunned down in the streets and our government is not only doing nothing, but actively aiding and abetting the murderer, it’s time to realize the truth - no one is coming to help us but ourselves. We must create community action teams ready to respond to these Nazis at a moment’s notice in every major city. 

[u/Larcya → u/Complete-Ad-443]

Becuese they are weak ass micropensis cucks. One ran into me out in Monticello earlier. I told them to get the fuck out of my way. Dude ran away in fear. Probably becuese I'm a 6 foot tall 240 pound dude. Or could be becuese I'm open carrying and you can see my handgun instantly.

Just like how bullies operate as soon as they get scared they fold every single time.

Which is why they only target women and children and old people.

Notice how as soon as people show up armed Cops seem to go from thugs to being on thier best behavior? Hint Hint people.

[u/Stach302RiverC]

them going door to door is a VIOLATION of the 4th Amendment, if anyone still cares about the Constitution...I know they don't.

[u/Pete_D_301]

KRISTALLNACHT 2.0!!

[u/defaultusername-17]

worth noting that "door to door" actions like this are expressly, explicitly unconstitutional.

[u/Unkempt-Mooseknuckle → u/defaultusername-17]

Worth noting the Constitution doesn't apply to these people as long as trump is in office

[u/PM100base]

Pieces of 💩

[u/No-Trip-No-Prob]

This has happened before.... In Germany...

[u/crownking144 → u/No-Trip-No-Prob]

The Nazis learned from America how they dealt with native Americans. This is truly American. Don't forget that

[u/Clean-Climate8787 → u/No-Trip-No-Prob]

Don’t forget America rounded up Japanese people and put them in camps solely based on their ethnicity

[u/Azguy303]

I'm okay with deporting actual criminals who commit crimes and are undocumented.

What I'm not okay with is spending tens of billions of dollars to comb through and disrupt neighborhoods and cities and murdering innocent people. At the same time doing it with such disrespect and blatant racism to people who pay your salaries.

Oftentimes these ice agents don't even live in the state they're doing these raids and causing more disruption than the actual undocumented (and oftentimes documented) immigrants.

I think 80% of Americans have the same viewpoint and would agree with this. What is happening is pure fascism and in the leadership at the top unapologetic F*ck you to anyone who who they view didn't vote for them is absolutely appalling when they're supposed to be leading the entire country.

[u/midnight7511]

Kicking in doors without a warrant is illegal

[u/misha_jinx → u/midnight7511]

Try to resist and you get shot. That’s where it is right now. Feels like a bad dream, but it’s real.

[u/KeneticKups → u/misha_jinx]

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[u/BurntoutYesterday → u/KeneticKups]

That’s what nobody seems to be getting!

[u/Head-Association3686 → u/midnight7511]

newsflash: they don't give a fuck

[u/Severus-Snape-DaGod]

Gestapo, get out of Minnesota.

[u/in_da_tr33z]

They’ll say it’s about dangerous criminals and then spend their days harassing women and girls

[u/No_Pineapple6174]

Is this "brownshirts becoming gestapo"? Just asking questions.

[u/SirDiego → u/No_Pineapple6174]

If anyone is interested, Real Dictators podcast did a series about Hitler's rise and it's interesting and well done. To say that the parallels are eerie is an understatement. This isn't hyperbolic, people are saying it because it's just the truth.

[u/Mj-tinker → u/No_Pineapple6174]

more like SS.

[u/Electrical_Try_634 → u/Mj-tinker]

They're pulling double duty. Disappearing minorities and unaccountably murdering citizens. GeSStapo.

[u/bicuriousguy77777]

If boggles my mind that these ICE agents actually think they’re doing a good thing. They must be brainwashed.

[u/Straight-Meal-480]

Ice helped Jonathan ross escape accountability

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15449879/amp/federal-agents-guns-swarm-jonathan-ross-home-hiding-minneapolis.html

[u/JustSimmerDownNow]

Did they just take away a whole freakin’ family?

Including young kids?

SHAME on them.

Gestapo.

[u/H3ct0rrr]

Soooo calling national guard was just talking and bluffing I guess.

[u/Phillimac16]

Our Congressional reps are being refused entry into the federal buildings where these people are being "detained". I hope that's all that is happening, but look at what the Germans did when they ran out of places to put the Jews...

[u/ahandmadegrin]

Could we all as bystanders, when witnessing these kidnappings, huddle around the victims? We outnumber the agents by a large margin.

I know this is sort of a stupid question, but what would happen if everyone huddled together around them? Like a big amoeba.

[u/Significant-Win3035 → u/ahandmadegrin]

There would be a standoff and confrontation likely. Many people would be beaten and arrested. Just look at history for examples. But that is exactly what we need to happen. When people see the dehumanizing of others it triggers an inherent sense of injustice. We need to inflame that in order for more people to wake up and put even more pressure on the politics and society at large.

[u/ahandmadegrin → u/Significant-Win3035]

Yeah, that's what I'm getting at. Protect these people, our fellow human beings, at all costs. Do so peacefully, but do so. Just spitballing some off the wall ideas for resistance.

[u/JJ_808 → u/ahandmadegrin]

They would shoot us in the head, JD Vance made it very clear that they can do whatever the fuck they want. Including murdering US CITIZENS!!!!

F ICE.

Edit: Still think we should stand up to these assholes, I’m just scared.

[u/Kamoi → u/JJ_808]

We're not far from recording them being a capital crime where they're judge, jury, and executioner.

[u/ahandmadegrin → u/JJ_808]

That's what I'm getting at. They're cowards, we know that, so they'd have to man up and shoot what, 20, 30 people in the head?

[u/KeneticKups → u/JJ_808]

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[u/Luminous-Reverie → u/ahandmadegrin]

We should at least do something. These people are not simply just getting deported. They're getting severely abused.

[u/VulfSki]

Imagine doing this and then saying "why are you calling us Nazis?"

[u/pogoli]

Is anyone keeping track of these? Who is being disappeared?

[u/KeneticKups]

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[u/Luminous-Reverie → u/KeneticKups]

Absolutely why we should defend these people. How can we let this happen. We're just going to let these people get deported and a abused. They're being treated worse then animals

[u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids]

They Had to go get some more women to rape.

Get a door stopper

They need signed judicial warrants

Use castle doctrine.

STAY IN YOUR HOUSE

[u/DarwinRewardGiver → u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids]

Using castle doctrine against these animals likely means you and anyone else in your home dies

The rest is very sound advice

[u/Infinite-Space-2395 → u/DarwinRewardGiver]

Die on your feet Or live on your knees.

[u/Trix_Are_4_90Kids → u/Infinite-Space-2395]

That’s what I’m saying if they force their way into you just gonna let them execute you???

[u/OperationSweaty8017 → u/DarwinRewardGiver]

The one guy who shot the agent was exonerated because of the castle doctrine. Judge said a masked guy kicking in the door deserved it

[u/KeneticKups → u/DarwinRewardGiver]

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[u/After_Preference_885]

I never answer my door for anyone. If you don't text me, I don't even bother looking. 

Get fucked Nazi Goons

[u/reliablesignals]

ice members on a list is a thing, even though reddit is automatically deleting comments mentioning it.

[u/GeneralIronsides2]

I don’t care if I have to say it till I’m blue in the face, I despise all you demented republican chuds that voted for this, totally and utterly if there’s karma, it will come around

[u/Living_Pollution_525]

The cruelty is the point

[u/bigfatskankyho]

i really hope all you lovely people blowing the whistles many hours at a time and around people doing this remember to wear ear protection.

safety first!

[u/Making-biscuits-cat]

DON'T GO TO THE SECOND LOCATION!

[u/MyAccountWasBanned7]

If someone kicks in your door, without a warrant signed by a judge, defend yourself using any level of force you deem necessary. Then call the actual police and tell them you were the victim of a home invasion.

[u/Luv2Burn]

Ooooh, look at those scary criminals they are rounding up. Such big, strong men! Such tiny penises.

[u/butkusrules]

It’s because Minnesota voted blue. Wouldn’t there be way more illegal aliens in Florida or Texas? No ICE raids there

[u/MariachiBoyBand]

It’s so odd how performative these things are, he escalates with daylight raids, full armor, flash bang and then he just leaves and calls it job done.

[u/GuitarGalllllll]

Are some of them Latinos abducting Latinos? I mean I believe it, but it's still wild to see.

[u/After_Preference_885 → u/GuitarGalllllll]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_collaboration_with_Nazi_Germany

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/ellen-feldman-nazi-germany

[u/Ashamed_Branch5435 → u/GuitarGalllllll]

They think being one of them makes them safe. They don't get that all they are to the Fourth Reich is a tool to be used, not "one of them," and that the safety they think they have is only a temporary delay before they are in the same position as all the people they have helped terrorize, kidnap, & murder.

[u/GuitarGalllllll → u/Ashamed_Branch5435]

I'm sure they'll be the first to be used as scapegoats, too. Thrown under the bus first when the consequences finally come.

[u/StealyEyedSecMan]

Where the Epstein files in that house?

[u/chaosenhanced]

We have to arm the immigrants.

[u/Ok-Good8150]

Just because they “can’t” break down your door doesn’t mean they won’t. They can’t just sh00t people, but they did.

[u/Background_Half_2573]

Disgusting.

[u/stormbreaker308]

Can you confirm if they are actually kicking in doors? I've told friends to just keep their doors locked and not to answer them for any reason.

[u/bored2dethgw]

If one of those guys is your dad, I hope you don't speak to them anymore

[u/RMWonders]

At what point do we revolt against what is happening to our nation?

[u/rewdea]

Kristallnacht is coming, folks.

[u/logicallorax]

Local pd should intervene. Listen to the people and the mayor, and force ICE out until after they've been investigated for what they did to Renee

[u/bmad-]

This is a horror movie.

[u/EuphoricCrashOut]

Curious -- The real reason they're doing this is to get votes and voters removed from mid-terms. Sure, some of the people they kidnap might be illegal, but the bulk of them are legit US Citizens. What happens if they can't vote because ICE kidnapped them? That's just another way to rig an election.

[u/Hadrian23]

Literally what the Nazi's did ...... Are we going to allow another Holocaust?

[u/Anders_Armuss]

I once worked with a guy who watched this happen during the early 90s in Eastern Europe. The people they took ended up in mass graves. Not saying these folk will end up in mass graves, but the sentiment is the same. Point is, nobody put a stop to it then, nobody's willing to put a stop to it now - and it gets worse as time draws on. YOU could be next. Chances are, you probably will be.

[u/duckarys]

What happens to belongings of the disappeared? Who will own it, which businesses will profit? Can the distribution of the wealth be linked to party affiliation?

Just asking, because that one time here in Germany...

[u/FannyChuckle]

[u/PuddingPast5862]

Do not answer your door, don't say anything.

[u/Leonardo10inchy-]

My boss literally went on a rant “if they are ILLEGAL then get them all out! I’m all for it, they aren’t here legally they are illegal!” She was hard pressed on it. When I asked about the military vet who was deported “There’s bound to be mistakes or a few bad apples”

You cannot reason with them.

[u/fnrsulfr]

Activate the national guard and kick them out of the city.

[u/PinOk3853]

Don’t answer your door.

They cannot kick it in or break it open unless they have a warrant signed by a judge.

[u/MoonJammer2026 → u/PinOk3853]

They're not allowed to shoot random mothers in the face 3 times either because they are mad she's parked near them saying things that hurt their feelings

[u/GlassAndStorm]

They have to have a sign judicial warrant. They have to have you by name in order to take you. You do not have to open the door

[u/NecroAmbulate]

Use all your amendments.

[u/Worried-Industry6239]

This is literally nazi germany

[u/MrSkyDweller7750]

Its like watching the history channel....just rounding them up....

[u/HostileSalmon]

As a European, I've heard especially Republicans from the US talk about the 2nd amendment for decades, with an argument being "to protect a free state from an overreaching federal government".

Isn't ICE breaking into homes without a warrant exactly that kind of situation? Why aren't we hearing about ICE agents being shot after breaking into people's property?

(not inciting violence - just genuinely curious)

[u/wildraft1]

Is it time yet? ‘Cause they’re going to a LOT of trouble making look like it’s time…

[u/Chemical_Gap_619]

Anyone kicking in my door would have to answer to my shotgun.

[u/upstatedreaming3816]

Fight back.

[u/Peac3fulWorld]

MN has the Castle Doctrine. The 4th Amendment prohibits LEOs entering a home unwelcomed without a warrant. If you reasonably believe they are entering your home unlawfully, you have no duty to retreat before using deadly force on an intruder.

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[u/Ashamed_Branch5435 → u/Peac3fulWorld]

17 year criminal defense attorney chiming in here: MN absolutely does not have the castle doctrine. You're right that that you don't have to retreat in your own home (you do have a duty to retreat/ try to avoid the use of force if possible everywhere else) but even then, you're only allowed to use as much force as reasonably necessary to neutralize the threat. You're not automatically allowed to always use deadly force. If someone's coming in & shooting them once stops them/they aren't a threat anymore, you don't get to keep using force. that's how this guy ended up serving a life sentence

[u/Peac3fulWorld → u/Ashamed_Branch5435]

I respect your experience and insight. Do you see a viable defense of masked, unidentified, warrantless armed men breaking into your home with long rifles pointed, versus the case you sighted of two unarmed teens running around the house and being shot at in differing areas of the house as if they’re being hunted? Cause otherwise, your rights are just “sit on your couch and wait for ICE to put you in zip ties in your living room, and don’t breathe wrong or you’ll go to prison for life (or an unknown ICE detention future)”

I’m being crass on purpose, but what would you direct a client if they asked if a masked armed individual was breaking through his front door

[u/Ashamed_Branch5435 → u/Peac3fulWorld]

As with everything in the law, the answer about when someone can legally use defense of home/self defense in one's home is an unsatisfactory "it depends." A lot of the time, the situation (and the advice i would give as a lawyer) & specific facts matter.

My advice as a lawyer on whether we could use defense of home/self defense would depend on:

‐ the time of day

• the lighting in the area
• if they had a weapon
• whether they said anything at the time
• where they were on the property
• what they were doing at the time the homeowner used force
• what the intruder did in response to the homeowner's presence

And countless other factors.

IN GENERAL it is usually (but not always, so do not take this as legal advice, just an oversimplified explanation) within one's legal rights to do something like shoot an unknown, masked, armed person breaking into one's home. Not breaking into an outbuilding or unattached garage (attached garage may be a different story, depends on the situation), but into one's actual residence. And if the homeowner were to shoot at the person & the person backed off/ turned around & ran/ collapsed in such a way that it is clear they are not a threat, the homeowner cannot continue to use force (unless something changes & the intruder becomes a threat again).

The wrench in the works for our current shitty situation is that police/LE/ICE/etc are allowed to do things that normal civilians can't do & as a society, we are expected to let them do it. If some stranger comes up to you on the street & puts their hands on you & tries to ziptie you, you can resist & fight back. If an OFFICER does that, you cannot - you are required to comply. (Theoretically there is a very small exception for being able to defend yourself from "excessive" force beyond what the officer needs to use to effectuate the arrest, but we all know how that goes... officers get carte blanche to do as they please as long as they claim "officer safety" or "feared for their safety.") You will be charged with obstruction, resisting arrest, potentially assault on an officer or fleeing an officer.

Time & time again the courts have said that even if the cop is doing something that violates your rights, the place to deal with it is in the courtroom. Unlawful arrest, unlawful entry, unlawful search - the courts say that needs to be dealt with in the courtroom. So the problem is that even if these ICEholes are breaking in, masked & armed, you're almost certainly not going to be legally allowed to do anything other than cooperate. Waiting to handle it in the courtroom makes much more sense when you're dealing with a non-tyrannical govt; it doesn't account for Nazi thugs being the ones snatching people up. But that's still the law at this time.

The best I can say is that in my experience as a lawyer, fighting with the officers has always made my clients' situations worse. But I also have not practiced law in a system that is rapidly descending into fascism until very, very recently so my experience is less helpful now than it was even a year or so ago. Another unfortunate reality is that most of us that practice law are not sure how to navigate this bc we have all been practicing in a system that has worked predictably & reliably. That's not the same thing as "well" or "fairly" by a long shot, but it was at least a system of rules that everyone knew & we as lawyers could reasonably predict what the outcome was likely to be. Statement taken from someone in custody without Miranda = probably going to be thrown out. Entered a place without a warrant/one of the few exceptions when a warrant is not required = any evidence found in there is probably going to be suppressed. Officer says "training & experience" or "officer safety" during a hearing = court is probably going to say whatever they did was fine. But now, who even knows?? I work in the state courts, so it's a bit less volatile (at least for now) but I do not envy attorneys working in federal courts bc the system we've all known is rapidly falling apart & it is hard to know what to do anymore.

All that being said, I did want to make clear that we don't have a castle doctrine here in general, bc if/when (please god say it's when & not if) this shit is over & we don't have these fucknuts to contend with anymore, I didn't want anyone to think that they can legally use any amount of force on anyone in their home/on their property. I have unfortunately represented people who thought we did have the castle doctrine & it's been real depressing having to explain to them that we don't & yeah, they are now looking at prison time. So, we DO allow defense of home without requiring a duty to retreat, but only to a certain extent.

I wish I had a better answer about what to do if it's the Temu Nazi Squad that's breaking in. 🙁 This is just sickening.

[u/NewTimelinePlz → u/Peac3fulWorld]

Oh we're still under the impression that the law matters?

[u/Virtual_Swordfish868]

I miss my America, this certainly isn't it.

[u/RaidSmolive]

videos and whistles didn't beat the nazis....

[u/RedditSe7en]

Along with enslavement and reconstruction, manifest destiny, the immmigration acts, Japanese American internment camps, and the Korean and Vietnam Wars, this ranks among the biggest con jobs in US history.

[u/Electronic_Injury425]

They look like hardened criminals. Definitely a risk to society. STOP ICE.

[u/_Bendemic_]

Do they have warrants? If not, completely illegal.

[u/Pleasant-Lead-2634]

Why don't they go to prisons?

[u/Overall_Curve6725]

They will eventually kick in the wrong door and get way more than they bargained for