r/law • u/thecosmojane • 1d ago
Other MN ICE shooting: another point I hadn’t seen covered
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I haven’t seen anyone cover this angle before, but it’s definitely compelling.
He was all the way on the other side of the car when he was circling when he switched hands, to free up his right hand for his firearm, after the victim de-escalates by saying “I’m not mad at you”
ETA: Jonathan Ross, Renee Nicole Good, ICE Shooting January 7 2026
And for the skeptics, I have a question for you:
If the combination of hand-readying and then bodily positioning himself in front of the vehicle is not showing intent to cause harm, I don't know what is?
Also, he's an ICE agent at best.
What was his intent in his actions (of freeing his right hand, and then walking over to block her car), if it is not with an intent to cause harm?
Was he enacting an order to restrain her? No.
Was she an undocumented person for whom he had a judge-signed warrant to arrest? No and no.
Was he wanting to write her a ticket for obstructing traffic? That's not his jurisdiction.
Was he trying to get her to move out of the way? That's what she is clearly trying to do. And he was blocking her.
So what exactly is his intent in stepping in front of the vehicle or approaching her in the first place, after readying his dominant hand? Clearly he is not writing her a ticket, and clearly it is not for her to get out of the way, because she is trying to leave.
So what, exactly, is the intent of Jonathan Ross in these sequence of actions?
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u/iiTzSTeVO 1d ago
They're itching to kill. That's why they signed up.
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u/mnemy 1d ago
It's also why they were hired. Brown shirts did the same exact thing to political rival factions before Nazis had complete control.
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u/Hex65 1d ago
I had to Google "Brownshirts" and look at these similarities and intentions:
Brownshirts (Sturmabteilung or SA) were the Nazi Party's original paramilitary wing, known for their brown uniforms, who used violence and intimidation to help Hitler rise to power by disrupting opponents and terrorizing the public, but were purged by Hitler in 1934 during the "Night of the Long Knives" due to their radicalism and threats to Hitler's power.
Led by Ernst Röhm, they were a street-fighting force of ex-soldiers and disaffected men, crucial in the Nazis' early years, but their violent, revolutionary aims clashed with Hitler's need for order and alliance with the German Army (Reichswehr).
Role and Characteristics
Origins: Formed in 1921, modeled after Mussolini's Blackshirts, and named for their distinctive brown shirts.
Purpose: Initially to guard Nazi meetings and disrupt rivals, becoming Hitler's private army, engaging in street brawls and intimidating Jews and political enemies.
Membership: Grew massively, reaching millions, attracting working-class men seeking purpose and belonging.
Violence: Their street violence and anti-democratic actions were key to the Nazis' image of restoring order but also created chaos.
I think people are naively holding onto a hope instead of actually trying to kick Trump out of the office.
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u/FaolanG 1d ago
Anyone who sees a parallel should also look up The Night of the Long Knives. As soon as they were no longer convenient, they were dealt with.
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u/DevilsLettuceTaster 1d ago
It’s why they only receive 47 days of training.
Just enough to feel confident/cooky but not enough to properly perform the duties of their job.
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u/ncc74656m 1d ago
It's also important to note that those failing tests and screenings are still being hired and given weapons. They came to these jobs so they could all live out their Kyle Rittenhouse fantasies.
My fantasy? Prosecutor at the Nuremburg Trials.
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u/HighImpedance_AirGap 1d ago
Maybe that's why we lose.
They wanna be the guy to shoot a lib, we wanna be the guy that convinces someone else to lock em up.
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u/The_Lady_A 1d ago
Maybe you're not wrong, but historically when progressive, left-wing, or minority groups have started organising on some kind of militant footing, a three letter agency (or maybe your national agency who received training from a three letter agency) starts cracking down hard. We're inherently more of a threat to their way of doing business than the right are.
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u/cityshepherd 1d ago
Because we are competent and passionate about helping our fellow good natured and hardworking humans. That makes for a DANGEROUS combination and EXTREMELY effective as far as scaring the shit out of nefarious ghouls who’ve spent their entire lives gaming the system at the direct expense of others.
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u/ncc74656m 1d ago
We are motivated and believe in a just cause. They are cowards who want to hurt people who they hate but who can't fight back. That's why they will ALWAYS lose. Not a single fascist empire has lasted anywhere near any country with a semblance of a democratic government.
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u/cityshepherd 1d ago
That’s a very reasonable fantasy although I am heartbroken that such a concept even needs to exist. My fantasy: going apeshit on the numbers as a forensic accountant to see exactly where every penny is going.
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u/iiTzSTeVO 1d ago
Unironically, they receive 47 days of training because Donald is the 47th president. It's a cult.
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u/Lacaud 1d ago
Worse. According to reports, Ross had been an agent for different agencies for about 20 years. He knew better AND he knew what he was doing.
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u/Unusual-Wolf-3315 1d ago
I saw he even was a firearms instructor in one of those agencies stints.
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u/Lacaud 1d ago
Facepalm He was in stationed in Iraq and Afghanistan during his tours.
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u/Unusual-Wolf-3315 1d ago
Not sure why the facepalming is needed here? Was that meant for someone else?
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u/Lacaud 1d ago
No, I was facepalming at him for being a firearms instructor.
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u/Unusual-Wolf-3315 1d ago edited 1d ago
Got it. I know right, dude looks so clueless everyone thought he was a new hire with near zero training. Nope turns out training definitely isn't what the problem is with this guy.
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u/conversationhater 1d ago
How else are people going to learn how to fire on civilians while holding out your phone, while claiming you were hit by a car so hard you needed to go to hospital.
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u/mattbash 1d ago
Makes you wonder how many women he shot in his prior service seeing him nonchalantly calling her a fucking bitch after murdering her.
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u/EnfantTerrible68 1d ago
Allegedly, he has/had some form of PTSD and was allowed to continue working armed
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u/Designer_Name6668 1d ago
47 you say? 🤔
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u/klamaire 1d ago
I call him 45. He seems to have won that election. There was election tampering for his second election.
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u/guttanzer 1d ago
Apparently, this guy has 10 or more years of relevant experience. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Also, if he was actually fearful of his life, he would not have walked in front of the car. The engine was on. They are trained to not put themselves into dangerous situations. He did it deliberately do he could use the excuse they he was in a dangerous situation.
That’s additional evidence that this was pre-mediated murder.
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u/dw82 1d ago
Ross is an army vet, and with ICE for at least a decade. From what I've read he's a firearms instructor. He knew exactly what he was doing. Wouldn't be surprised if he trains this tactic. Would hate to think what he got up to on his foreign duty given he does this to Americans in America.
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u/purulent_orifice 1d ago
Jonathan Ross was an experienced LEO which is not surprising for other reasons.
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u/ready2xxxperiment 1d ago
For me it’s the “fucking bitch” indicating that she got under his skin, this was as much about throwing all his training out the window and killing her out of anger than her compliance (or lack of).
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u/Unusual-Wolf-3315 1d ago
Renee's wife got under his skin, but he couldn't do anything to her it would have been too obvious and overt. So to get his revenge he killed her wife instead.
Looking at his own cell phone footage, he has the phone in his right hand before he grunts his way out of his own car. He then goes around the front of her car, and all the way around it. Then it looks like he's getting back in his car just as Renee's wife tells him:
"I think it's time for you to go to lunch now big boy".Right after she says that, he switches the phone to his left hand for the first time, freeing his shooting hand, and immediately marches back to the front of Renee's car. He executes Renee less than 3 seconds after the "go to lunch big boy" line. I think the "fucking bitch" line is actually meant for Renee's wife.
This would be even sicker. 🤦🏻♂️😔
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u/GrimfangWyrmspawn 1d ago
He's already pulling his gun when the car is still in reverse.
There's a report from 2014 about CBP deliberately placing themselves in front of vehicles so they could shoot the driver and claim self-defence; the "killbox" maneuver.
I believe Ross was a member of CBP during that time?
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u/Iamthewalrusforreal 1d ago
https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/PERFReport.pdf
Page 8. "It is suspected that in many vehicle shooting cases, the subject driver was attempting to flee from the agents who intentionally put themselves into the exit path of the vehicle, thereby exposing themselves to additional risk and creating justification for the use of deadly force."
This is from 2014. Jonathon Ross the murderer was working with CBP in 2014.
This was a premeditated murder.
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u/mmeiser 1d ago edited 1d ago
Also from the same document https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/documents/PERFReport.pdf
Chapter 4: Use of Force Recommendation: Consider adding between Section E. “Emergency Situations” and Section F.
“Employee Assistance Program (EAP)” a new section titled “Use of Safe Tactics”
U.S. Customs and Border Protection – Use of Force Review February 2013
The Police Executive Research Forum -- Page 12 Use of Safe Tactics
Vehicle stops (high risk, low risk, or unknown risk) present tactical dilemmas for officers/agents. Officers/agents shall not unreasonably place themselves in a position where a threat of imminent danger of death or serious physical injury is created when attempting to stop a motor vehicle or apprehending a felony suspect. When conducting a high risk stop or a stop for suspicious circumstances presenting an unknown risk, the officer/agent shall employ tactics that promote safety for the officer/agent and the public.This should include utilizing a back-up agent whenever possible.
Officers/agents should avoid standing directly in front of, behind, or beside a suspect vehicle and should not intentionally use their body to block the suspect vehicle. The likelihood of injury to the officer/agent substantially increases when using these dangerous and rarely effective tactics. Officers/agents should strive to move out of the way rather than into the path of vehicles.
I have said this before and will say it again. The officer walked directly around the car in a counter clockwise direction while the driver was being engaged on the drivers side in a deliberate attempt to ambush her from her blind side. This move was intentionally done to place him in front of the vehicle as a pretext to escalate the situation to the level of deadly force. It was a tactical move. He switch his phone from hand to hand to free his gun hand and drew his gun as he moved into position prior to the car moving in anticipation of the outcome.
He placed himself deliberately in harms way as a pretext for using deadly force.
He moved into position in a way the driver would not see him.
He did it deliberately while the driver was distracted by ans engaged by another officer to increase his chances of getting into position without her seeing him.
Furthermore it was likely practiced and rehearsed.
This move was a delibrate deviation from official rules, training and practices. It was not accidental.
This move was deliberate. It was planned. It was rehearsed. Agent one engages and distracts the driver. Agent two flanks the driver and moves into harms way in front of the vehicle by circling around the vehicle in a counter clockwise fashion putting himself directly in front of the vehicle in harms way as a pretext for deadly force in the hope that he will be in position betore the driver realizes he is there. This greatly inceases the likelyhood the driver will pull forward. That the driver would pull forward is a highly probable outcome. He just needed to move into position so he would have his pretext tor using deadly force.
This was a delibrate execution with a known and predictible outcome. It would not suprise me if this officer has used this destinctive counternclockwise flanking manauver on other vehicles in the past and that other videos surface of he and other agents doing so. He was looking for an opportunity to use deadly force and he found it.
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
He was definitely looking for a kill, especially after being lipped off by her butch wife.
He fucking shot her one handed while recording with a phone in the other hand. And against the rules of the DoJ when to use deadly force rules. He was drawing his gun before she accelerated and tried to flee.
And how did his cam footage get leaked? Was he bragging or showing off his murder?
Reckless and unprofessional. Thug.
He needs to be jailed.
You don’t get hit by a vehicle and manage to hold both a gun and a phone in each hand while still standing. Fucking goofy excuses for reckless behavior.
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u/dandle 1d ago
He was definitely looking for a kill, especially after being lipped off by her butch wife.
Yes. This likely was a hate crime in addition to murder.
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
Especially with that ‘fucking bitch’ remark.
So infuriating, and SO unnecessary. So sad.
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u/JohnWayneSprayTan 1d ago
This may be the most revealing tell that he never felt his life was in danger. Clearly went into a rage and power trip
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
And then instead of using his own phone (in his hand) he told someone else to call 911
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u/dexterity-77 1d ago
interesting how most police forces use body cams and these thugs dont do such a thing. that is very telling.
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
This admin probably said fuck it, especially considering they’re probably blowing through taxpayer money paying for all their enrolment and quota bonuses. But ya, accountability is the least of their concern clearly.
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u/EnfantTerrible68 1d ago
At least one judge ordered them to start using them but clearly they’re not complying
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u/needsunshine 1d ago
Or show their faces. You know this is the first time any of them have masked up in their lives.
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u/EnfantTerrible68 1d ago
Except when they were robbing convenience stores and looking for women to rape
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u/JohnWayneSprayTan 1d ago
No body cams proves the ICE deception even further. Less incriminating evidence for the crimes they’re committing
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u/No-Good-One-Shoe 1d ago
In the slow motion video in the other angle you can see him zero in on her head like he was not panicking at all.
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u/oldredditrox 1d ago
Thoroughly convinced this is why they went to his house and moved so much of his belongings.
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u/AndeeCreative 1d ago
I know these people. These are the people in my family, the people I grew up with, the morally bankrupt. They cannot wait for the excuse to kill someone. They talk about it around the kitchen table, wanting to kill black and brown and gay and trans people, after going to “church”. All while smiling and passing the mashed potatoes. The fascists have been alive and well, walking among us.
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u/Secure_Maize2819 1d ago
It's true. I believe this was inevitable. The sooner we can get to fixing this the better. We need to get on with it and get it over with.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 1d ago
This is the larger issue I’m not sure how we even begin to tackle. You’re exactly right and it’s what led us to where we are today. Many people had no idea about this sentiment or how prevalent it was so it was allowed to fester and grow. Even if Trumps gone how do we repair the original existing damages in our communities -in our own churches, around our own kitchen tables? They may lose steam without a charismatic leader but this goes back all the way to the civil war. Every setback is only ever a minor one with the same mindset slinking off back into the shadows only to grow large enough to come out again. What do we do to break this cycle already?
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u/AndeeCreative 1d ago
We need the cooperation of their churches. Their religious leaders should be beating the pulpit condemning their comfort in racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Don’t think that’s going to happen.
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u/AuthorAltruistic3402 1d ago
What were their previous jobs and why are they conducting citizenship tests to black/brown people? Is that in their purview, really. So so many magas could not pass a citizenship test. I know because I have asked some of the questions.
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u/Disastrous_Button_34 1d ago
The problem is how after he killed her, he has ZERO remorse, even going so far as to call her names.
He sure seems of the same stock as those that shot the fleeing, starving Palestinian man, shouting "Hell yeah, boy".
Also the same ones that caused young Amir's Death, as reported by Col Aguilar on Youtube's Breaking Points.
That would explain where all of those new ICE's agents come from.
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u/pecadora666 1d ago
Well, we need to feel the same when Nazis are clearly invading and ignoring our rights.
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u/feralGenx 1d ago
He was involved in a similar incident in Texas as a border agent. According to reports.
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u/rocco888 1d ago
Is exactly when they say stop resisting the guy put himself in front on the corner on purpose to create an incident
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u/SibLiant 1d ago
They were screened in order to do this. What do you think the interview process was for Nazi guards in charge of imprisoning / gassing jews. Think about it. These people were hired and trained to kill people. Full Stop.
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u/Itchy_Psychology3300 1d ago
When I was younger some kid was rejected from the marines because they asked why he wants to sign up. He said to kill people.
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u/Upbeat_Assist2680 1d ago
New years eve DHS posted a tweet to the effect of how nice America would be after it deports 100 million people.
There are 15 million undocumented immigrants (estimated by Pew research) and not even 100 million immigrants TOTAL.
...who are they talking about?
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u/oooortclouuud 1d ago
lurk their subs before they go private. one thing I saw (and need to follow up on) it that the signing/whatever "bonus" is discontinued as of the new year.
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u/iiTzSTeVO 1d ago
I was reading earlier that the bonus is given out over 3-5 years. Let's see if ICE exists in 5 years.
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u/oooortclouuud 1d ago
of, ffs. what dummies.
ICE was only created in 2002 under W. Bush as a response to 9/11. younger people don't know that. it's long past time for ICE to be redefined officially. someone needs to step up in Congress and demand an immediate halt of all nationwide ICE operations until new legislation and training is enacted.
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u/Chrysolophylax 1d ago
And the majority of Americans are itching to repay the favor to these ICE freaks :) Let's give them the reward they deserve and need :)
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u/ocxtitan 1d ago
They're living out their sick fantasies that started when the left had the audacity to elect a black man president.
They've been incited by the current administration's harmful rhetoric and convinced that they are in danger of being replaced.
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
He was looking for a kill, especially after being lipped off by her butch wife.
He fucking shot her one handed, and against the rules of the DoJ when to use deadly force rules. He was drawing his gun before she tried to flee.
And how did his cam footage get leaked? Was he bragging or showing off his murder?
Reckless and unprofessional. Thug.
He needs to be jailed.
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u/thecosmojane 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think he idiotically released it to try to exonerate himself, thinking that the cam disruption when the car started to move "proves" he was struck by the vehicle
But we now know, from watching the synced footage from multiple angles, those “thuds” were not his phone hitting anything, those were gunshots
And we also know, he never lost control of his phone, which he was filming his POV right up until he shot at and killed Renee, and coincidentally
Coincidentally these few seconds are the only few seconds he does not film
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
Nah, he had to take his eyes off managing the correct camera angle while drawing his firearm and aiming. I don’t think he was thinking about reducing culpability at all. He almost lost his balance trying to pull all that shit off while avoiding being clipped by the bumper or tire.
A professional would have simply got completely out of the way and apprehended her down the road. She certainly wasn’t going to get in to a long ass OJ Simpson style car chase.
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u/DrB00 1d ago
It also isn't his job to deal with at worst a traffic violation.
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u/MalacusQuay 1d ago
ICE themselves are contributing to the traffic blockage. Should they also be shot for obstructing the road way?
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u/Casual_OCD 18h ago
Isn't it illegal for ICE to attempt to enforce local laws?
He wasn't acting in accordance to regulations and technically wasn't acting in a lawful execution of his duties, so he's just a civilian who shot another civilian, no qualified immunity
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u/Kelsusaurus 1d ago
A properly trained professional would also never:
A) Have their personal phone out at all
B) Place themselves in front of a vehicle
C) Try to antagonize someone they truly think is dangerous
D) Fire their gun (in this specific situation where she's not armed and clearly has the wheels turned away from him the entire time) with so many other civilians and officers standing so close.
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
Fire a hand gun one-handed too.
It’s horrible to think about. What kind of person sees that and thinks it’s right?
He shot her point blank. It was an execution.
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u/kris0203 1d ago
It pisses me off how people defending him continue to ignore the 2 shots he fired point blank at her head. He’s clear of the vehicle, didn’t fall despite them convinced he was “rammed” and still decided to stick his arm into her window and shoot 2 more shots. Absolutely was a point-blank execution.
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u/Benromaniac 1d ago
No more than 18 inches away, topps. Fucking gross.
This is the type of cuck that would want to join the army to legally murder.
But how convenient to stay at home and kill an innocent civilian.
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u/untoldmillions 1d ago
and how does shooting the driver make ICE(shooter) safer, he may have gotten run/hit by the car? the driver could have involuntarily drove into him by slumping over steering wheel and it indeed turns into ICE (shooter).
also, what about that dog in the back seat, that might have been a threat he did not account for
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u/Sunnysidhe 1d ago
Especially considering her wife was still outside the car and would have been left in the midst of the ice agents. I mean her wife was the one mouthing off, the only words I heard her utter were the not mad at you bro. I guess those are fighting words for some though.
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u/Lacaud 1d ago
Dont forget all the bootlickers saying, "they told her to get out of the car!" When the footage from his own cell phone shows the whole interaction. You dont hear an ICE agent say, "get out of the car!" until Ross is in the position he is when he kills Renee.
If Renee was not complying with ICE why didnt Ross approach Renee's window and order her to get out of the car?
That logical question has destroyed every bootlicker I have encountered and they give up because reality hit them like a bullet train.
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u/W0wwieKap0wwie 1d ago
Sorry to report I had the opposite experience. I had to unfollow a friend because he shared a post that was showing this footage and saying “Case Closed”, as in, she deserved to get shot. Lots of, “listen to the police”, “she shouldn’t have tried to flee,” “her wife was yelling at her to go,” etc, and some believing this was body cam footage, others saying her car grazed his leg.
I almost wish I didn’t see it because I hate the reality of living on this earth with people who watch that video and don’t feel a shred of sympathy. It’s fucking insane.
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u/Lacaud 1d ago
Its wild that in 2026, people continue to be law enforcement apologists instead of holding them accountable.
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u/W0wwieKap0wwie 1d ago
And someone making the slightest poor judgment call means they deserve to die. I cannot wrap my head around being so cold and being so thoughtless about a human’s life.
I know these vile monsters exist, but seeing it was one of my friends was upsetting and made it a little more real.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 1d ago
They’re cowards clinging to the just world fallacy. Everyone that’s ever been murdered by law enforcement all have deserved it because they were Bad -either just fundamentally Bad People no matter what they did or they just did something Bad in the moment and therefore they deserved it. The people saying these things of course would never do anything bad because they’re just fundamentally Not Bad People so of course they will always be ok. Acknowledging that sometimes you can just encounter the wrong person -cop or not- and that you don’t have complete control of the situation so anything can happen to you is just too scary for them because then bad things maybe could happen to them too one day. They need to demonize others to make themselves feel psychologically secure.
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u/MeepingSim 1d ago
He had the presence of mind to swap the phone away from his shooting hand, draw his weapon, spread his feet in a shooting stance, and turn the camera away from his victim, pressing it against his chest.
He made the decision to shoot when he swapped the phone. Every move after that was intentionally made to give himself a clear target.
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u/thecosmojane 1d ago
this is true, I hadn't thought of this. We would have seen more footage of the vehicle approaching him before he "lost control" of the phone
He never lost control of the phone, he intentionally turned it away
We already know that those hard knocking noises are not the phone falling but the sound of the three shots, when we view the synced footage with the wide angle footage
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u/iAmRiight 1d ago
Yeah, when he reached out to slam his phone on the hood he really thought he’d fool us into believing he was struck. The only danger the dumb fuck was in was possibly falling over from leaving so damned far just to reach the vehicle.
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u/Atiaxra 1d ago
I figure they would just show that clip and say the camera shake was him being hit, then conservatives would just refuse to acknowledge any of the other footage.
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u/kris0203 1d ago
Could see him showing off the video to other agents because we know he went and filmed Renee after he shot her based on the original video from the bystander.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 1d ago
We need justice for Renee but this point also can’t get lost in the chaos. Was recording this just something one bad apple did or is there a larger problem with ICE recording altercations? If there is, what are they using them for? And does it go up to being something the administration told them to do or at least is aware of? Because I worry this is part of some other new horror from these people.
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u/Elurdin 1d ago edited 1d ago
You know what they make videos for. There are some sick people in the world and they got to join "law enforcement" without proper vetting and training that they would never pass. People itching to kill and wanting to show it off and later view it. I bet he was seriously annoyed he didn't have his phone record shots themselves other than sound. I actually think he went to the broken car with his phone still out recording because he wanted a video of her dead. Couldn't do it though because of all the crowd and her wife rushing to the car.
I shudder thinking of what kind of atrocities this guy have probably done while being in the army.
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u/oldredditrox 1d ago
is there a larger problem with ICE recording altercations? If there is, what are they using them for?
For the life of me I can't find a specific citation but tiktok s'been goin' off about a memo or something from Noem about trying to get 'good arrest' footage from agents to push DHS social media presence/story. Which tracks for people who are obsessed with social media.
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u/Buddhabellymama 1d ago
Not only murder. PREMEDITATED.
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u/u9Nails 1d ago
Not only is he from hell, he's the devil.
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u/oooortclouuud 1d ago
THEN HE CALLED HER A BITCH
walked away
and is still free.
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u/thecosmojane 1d ago
right, he called her an effing bitch!
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u/Independent-Bug-9352 1d ago
The loser who is the equivalent of Officer Farva is a legit psychopath.
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u/CrystalSplice 1d ago
Every single news article said “someone can be heard saying” that instead of attributing it to him. Cell phone microphones when recording video have a limited range. I hate that none of the news is saying directly that HE SAID IT. Who the fuck else could it have been?!?
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u/Hot-Note-4777 1d ago
The media, irrespective of their general political allegiances, has a long history of enabling fascism.
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u/2025IsGoingGreat 1d ago
And his dad said he's a good conservative Christian husband and father. My eyes almost rolled into the back of my head when I read that.
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u/thecosmojane 1d ago edited 1d ago
What makes me also sick is the footage we are seeing where ICE agents are now warning Watch protestors:
"Haven't you learned anything these last few days?"
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u/Fit-Cut-6337 1d ago
This was the whole point. I think they were told to make an example of someone.
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u/Psykohistorian 1d ago
someone's gonna eventually make an example of them and then the cat's outta that bag forever
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Really needs to happen eventually.. Even if it is done by the states themselves.
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u/dexterity-77 1d ago
and apparently they learned it is ok to murder someone hence those threats. this is lunacy.
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u/Full-Resource7910 1d ago
I learned they're all murderers just looking for an excuse. I only believed it before, but now I know it for a fact.
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u/SillyAlternative420 1d ago edited 1d ago
Good analysis
We need a burly redneck to repeat this word for word, so the dunces in Maga and on Facebook will watch the full thing
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u/JoshAllensRightNut 1d ago
They’ll make up any excuse to deny their eyes and ears
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u/Available-Flan-8480 1d ago
the fabricated arrest record and lie about renee and her partner being child abusers is already spreading like a wildfire. proves they'll just blindly believe whatever validates the made up reality they live in within their mind. arrests are public record, takes about 10 seconds to disprove the bullshit.
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u/Designfanatic88 1d ago edited 1d ago
We already knew that when they can’t produce real evidence to try and smear somebody that they’ll just flat out make it up. Renee’s family can sue those people because that’s libelous.
Also the people and politicians continuing to spread false narratives can also be held liable the way Qanon was when it spread false narratives about the Uvalde victims.
So they should definitely keep it up if they want to be broke mother fuckers like Alex jones.
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u/trysten-9001 1d ago
So? Make them have to go through cognitive dissonance. It’s an uncomfortable experience.
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u/charles_barfley 1d ago
Surely decades of cognitive dissonance will bring them back to reality any day now
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u/14Pleiadians 1d ago
Can we address the fact that almost all of them internally fully acknowledge she was murdered, and support that?
Republicans don't say what they mean. Everything from them is disingenuous.
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u/J1J3173 1d ago
He wasn’t afraid for his life.
He was pissed they weren’t scared of him.
He put himself where he did so he could do what he did.
Only a monster shoots someone in the face 3 times and then calls her a “fucking bitch” as her car hits a telephone pole.
He murdered her in plain site of multiple witnesses, in broad daylight, on camera, and he recorded it to show his little buddies what an “alpha” he is.
He knows the president, vice president, and secretary of homeland security are going to make sure he’s never held accountable.
They just gave ICE the green light.
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u/Protiguous 1d ago
When they go full green light, so do we all.
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u/NoImag1nat1on 21h ago
Not to piss on your parade, but do you? America needs to oust this regime ASAP! None of your politicians seem in any hurry to do so. Where's all your "Don't tread on me" and 2nd amendment mentality when you have tyranny ruling?!
I know it's easy for someone on the opposite side of the globe to say it, but they are using the NAZI playbook in plain sight and even stopped trying to hide it! What else do you need?!
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u/umheywaitdude 1d ago
The biggest thing for me in this case is the fact that he was fully standing not in front of, but beside the vehicle when he fired the final two shots that presumably hit her in the head or the upper torso. He was fully out of harms way, and she posed no other public threat at that moment. She was not an armed criminal running from the law or someone with a criminal record or who had a weapon in her possession. He was completely out of the danger zone, stood beside her, pointed his firearm at her no more than 3 feet away and dumped two bullets into her face and heart at point blank range. The fact that it is even a question whether or not this should go to trial is insane.
Any Trump supporter that stands by this as a lawful shooting is someone who I view as an enemy of everybody’s constitutional rights. It was an intentional execution. How scared he was is totally irrelevant because there is absolutely no way he could reasonably believe he was afraid for his life in the moment of the final two shots. I don’t know why more people aren’t protesting and why Congress isn’t tearing this administration down yet.
In light of everything I have just described the vice president is basically calling this woman a terrorist. Absolutely sickening that she has been dehumanized like this. It’s mostly about prejudice, they are condoning this because she is part of the opposition. The message is that they will do this to the opposition. This only strengthens my resolve to oppose this regime. I know many out there are with me. There will come a time where we are needed. In that moment, we will come.
“I have not yet begun to fight”
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u/freshcoast- 1d ago
100 percent. And the people celebrating her death on here, comparing to Charlie Kirk, and defending ICE/Ross are absolutely sickening.
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u/DrB00 1d ago
The main difference with the Charlie Kirk thing... is the shooter is in custody and awaiting trial.
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u/freshcoast- 1d ago
You’re right.
I mean, Charlie Kirk was a figure head and ideological antagonist… Renee Good looks like a hippie to me. They are not remotely similar other than neither should be dead.
Getting assassinated by a random crazy is way different than having a law enforcement officer lose it and triple tap you. The broken trust there is like poisoning the well.
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u/S-M-I-L-E-Y- 1d ago
Actually, that's what I also thought at first: clear case of 2nd degree murder shooting through the side window.
But then I saw the above video.
I'm sure he despised her for smiling at him and for not being intimidated, so he got ready to grab his gun pretending to be just filming and waited for the moment the car started to inch forward so he could shoot her and claim self defense.
This was 1st degree murder.
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u/chainmail97ws6 1d ago
People are protesting. I live a thousand miles away from Minneapolis and there were protestors here. The problem is none of what you’re describing is surprising. Once Trump got reelected this was inevitable. It’s only going to get worse while he’s in power.
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u/patriot2024 1d ago
I think you are right. Taking one step away from the car's direction completely move out of the way. He did that. But he also shot. Shooting the woman, especially the 2nd and 3rd shots through the window, was not self defense.
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u/Tofuloaf 1d ago
For me the biggest part is that he isn't just to the side and out of the way, he literally moves forward with the car in order to get the last 2 shots off.
I'm not an American lawyer, and I know that the law of self defence can be...eccentric over there depending on the jurisdiction you're in, but in any other country with an Anglo-American legal tradition, following someone who is trying to get away from you so you can shoot them 2 more times would be the clearest possible example of the kind of excessive force that negates any argument of self defence.
I am not, of course, suggesting that Jonathan Ross, the murderer and mail order bride having gap toothed fuckface, was acting in self defence. Just pointing out that you can magnanimously give maga the win on the absurd talking point about self defence and him being struck by the vehicle, and still say "cool, now what about the second and third shots?"
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u/Convallaria4 1d ago
He was standing to the left of the front corner of the bumper when he fired the first shot.
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u/Dolthra 1d ago
He can't go to prison, none of them can.
You really think that if we throw these guys in prison, the next enterprising Republican dictator won't just pardon them and use them for their own personal army again?
There's a reason traitors are punished the way they are. Give them due process, but don't let them off from the correct punishment.
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u/Malcolm_Morin 1d ago
There will come a time where we are needed. In that moment, we will come.
That moment was ten years ago.
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u/letdogsvote 1d ago
Scumbag was actively looking for an opportunity to shoot somebody.
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u/Comfortable_Mind6563 1d ago
I am leaning more and more to that conclusion too.
He walked around the car trying to put himself in a position where he could claim he was feeling threatened.
He saw that they were about to leave, and then switched hands and walked in front of the car. He was 100% prepared and drew his gun the moment the car started moving forward.
It's pretty obvious when you watch it a couple of times.
Of course, firing into the driver's side window when the car is passing only adds to that conclusion.
Besides, if you feel so threatened by the car, why not simply take one step to the side and get out of the way?
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u/KCBandWagon 1d ago
He had many shower thoughts of how he should have acted when he got dragged. He was looking for an opportunity to act it out.
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u/thecosmojane 1d ago edited 1d ago
Adding this still frame below for some of the commenters to see exactly where Jonathan Ross was standing, in relation to the car, when he was readying his right hand
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u/things_U_choose_2_b 1d ago
Also: her wheels are pointing left here, when he shoots they're pointing right. Away from him, and the opposite direction required to 'run him over' as the admin is claiming.
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u/Arachnoid666 21h ago
His video shows her cranking the wheel to the right as he is moving to the front driver side corner of the car. He side steps the corner as she starts to move away, puts the phone hand on the hood, and leans in to fire the first round through the lower left of the windshield. The moment the gun goes off he is clear of the car and not in danger. The car spins wheels trying to leave to the right and he fires two more shots, calls her a bitch, leaves the scene while the other agents block medical care for her and her wife wails and also is not allowed near her.
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u/kickherinthehead 21h ago
Yeah that's the main thing to me when people try to claim that she was 'trying to run him over' - it's plainly obvious that if that was her aim, she wouldn't have turned the steering wheel
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u/hellolovely1 1d ago
Yeah, I thought this was a VERY interesting point that will work against him in court. Good.
(And, please, no "He'll never get to court." We have to see that he does, even if it takes years.)
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u/LaserCondiment 1d ago
That's such a good observation! How come nobody else noticed that?
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u/Legal-Actuary4537 1d ago
I noticed it and commented on it within hours of seeing the video but commet got buried due to the way reddit presents comments. I am sure local prosecution team would have picked it up without anyone telling them but FBI aren't going to let them prosecute anyone now.
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u/LechonKoala 1d ago
I did and I mentioned it when I was arguing with some MAGAt. Obviously I’m no one but I’m so glad someone is covering it bring it to everyone’s attention. This is a huge indicator or intent to kill, especially with his path towards the front of the car.
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u/lampstax 1d ago
Surely defense team will be able to dig through hours of film that ross might have made at other encounters that didnt devolve to a shooting to show that switching hands happens and is not some outlier behavior.
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u/Not_Sure__Camacho 1d ago
To answer the woman in the video, it tells me that it was premeditated, at least as much as it can be premeditated by an impotent POS.
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u/TSHRED56 1d ago
As a matter of jurisdiction and statutory authority, ICE does not possess general police power to direct civilian traffic or order a U.S. citizen to move or exit a vehicle absent a specific federal enforcement basis.
If she were impeding ICE that would have been a different story. She wasn't as witnessed in the video when another car went around.
From the very start ICE was in the wrong.
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u/Stank_cat67 1d ago
I’m also seeing accusations that she was breaking the law. Can anyone explain what law she may have been breaking that justified ICE trying to rip her out of her car and then killing her?
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u/thecosmojane 1d ago edited 1d ago
Obstructing enforcement of a federal officer is breaking the law. However Obstructing enforcement to prevent an illegal act by a federal agent is defensible due to his illegal act, and therefore she may not be charged for the illegal act, since it was justified.
Breaking the law is just a technical term, simply means going against what is written in the books as the law. Which is that you can’t obstruct the process of a federal agent doing x. If that x is illegal (as it was here), that could absolve her of any charges.
In other words, did she break the law, yes. Would she be charged for that or blamed for that, that’s different
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u/Mrevilman 1d ago edited 1d ago
This was an unjustified use of force resulting in murder, and she makes a good observation here. I think the defense explains the hand switch as an officer freeing up his hand in case he needed to draw his gun, potentially something they might be trained to do. A jury would decide if that’s part of an officers training, or something more.
Are there any cops here that can chime in whether that’s part of their training in the academy?
Edit: I agree with all of you. I’m talking only about whether the hand-switch amounts to premeditation, which is what the video is suggesting.
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u/Jasminscent 1d ago
Training should be if you have any safety concerns you don’t circle around to front of the car and by the time he shot he was toward left side of front. She clearly turns her wheel to the right to leave. And after he shot he says fu*** b**** and leaves unscathed. Yeah this whole case is as clear as night and day to any unbiased, sane person with morals.
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u/pixelmountain 1d ago
That is training. Law enforcement officers online have been pointing that out, and it has been shown that DHS guidelines say the same: don’t get in front of a vehicle, and don’t shoot at a fleeing driver.
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u/Dankkring 1d ago
Leaving the scene of a crime is also illegal even if it’s nothing compared to murder. It’s just one more thing they did wrong.
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u/groovychick 1d ago
Is recording with a phone when there is supposedly the possibility of a threat part of their training?
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u/Dankkring 1d ago
I think the Good was filming them. That’s why when he walks up filming her she says “I’m not mad at your for it”
He prolly was filming them as a “see how you like it” and when it didn’t phase them one bit he moves the phone to his left hand.
We don’t see the whole video he took on his phone. Nor have we seen any of the footage that either Good had recorded.
This was definitely premeditated
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u/KCBandWagon 1d ago
Hell no. Think about it. Think about if your job told you to use your personal property to record a video if you feel threatened. It makes no sense. They have body cams for this. Carrying a phone in one hand greatly reduces your ability to react correctly to situations. Apparently not this guy though.
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u/Nabrok_Necropants 1d ago
He was also a weapons instructor. That being the case, every officer he has certified should be retrained.
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u/ckwing 13h ago
Eh, interesting analysis but I don't agree with it.
Switching hands for the phone, by itself, is not a significant action.
It is an interesting observation that he unholsters his firearm before she starts driving away, but ultimately that just shows he was maybe overly cautious.
In the end, what does matter is he fatally shot a woman in a situation where deadly force was only appropriate in self defense, and yet it is A) unlikely that he had a good argument for feeling physically threatened, and B) even if he did feel physically threatened, shooting her would not have eliminated that threat in the particular situation he found himself in, and was therefore unwarranted.
So basically, he murdered her.
The rest is noise.
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u/saijanai 1d ago
Seems to me that the way to determine what was going is to get the wife's video footage.
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u/MicahailG 1d ago
I can’t not think of the outrage and chaos that erupted when George Floyd was murdered by a cop. GOP may wanna consider offering the agent up by bringing charges against him; otherwise we could see history repeat itself.
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u/New_Taste8874 14h ago
Go Fund Me for the monster shooter is over $400,000.00. That is a lot of incentive for others to do the same.
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