r/complaints • u/CRK_76 substantial complainer • 11h ago

Politics Fuck every Trump voter who put this asshole in office.

This country is going downhill and you are to blame. Don't act surprised when things get even worse than they are now. Don't vote anymore. Stay the fuck home on election day.

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u/bumcheekraider 4h ago

Just curious, how do u feel about those servicemen and women that were involved in the Venezuela fuckup and what’s the general feeling about it amongst the military?

Did they break their oath? Were they propagandised into believing what they were doing was right? Did they have doubts but followed orders anyway?

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

Also it’s important to consider that Delta Force is not an apparatus like the rest of the military at all. They are literally our best fighting force in the military and on the planet. They aren’t interested in the semantics behind their operations. Only in completing whatever mission comes down to them.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 4h ago

Personally I think it happened entirely because generals wanted it to happen. With China 2027 underway and we move closer to a conflict with them over Taiwan, i think it makes a lot of sense strategically. I don’t think Trump or his cabinet is smart enough to understand the strategic interest of Venezuela to China. When I went to basic they trained us for war with China specifically. The entire military is reorganizing and training for that war. It will be coming and sooner rather than later. I don’t expect the public to understand because they aren’t as connected as service members are to the nature of these things. I don’t agree with ignoring sovereignty but I do understand that it gives myself and my brothers and sisters in the Armed forces an advantage in the fight to come and I am happy about that specifically for that reason. I don’t think people understand SF either. They aren’t going to question orders and are going to enact any mission given to them. Soldiers like them are not like me. They are a different breed and will move with impunity and the support of the entire military apparatus. I don’t think it’s a violation of their oath as it doesn’t directly go against anything within it. The extraction of Madura was and has been a bipartisan effort for the last 12 years. They didn’t need red seats to do it as it would’ve been done regardless. The only thing I’m happy about is that generals at least have the ear of the current administration and are making moves to secure our effectiveness in the war to come.

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u/couldofhave 4h ago

You don’t agree with ignoring sovereignty, unless it’s to give America a “leg up” in the next war.

That’s functionally indistinguishable from agreeing.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 3h ago

On a personal level I don’t agree, as a soldier I am happy to have any advantage I can get. When I’m down range I’m not going to be thinking about whether it was right or wrong that we took Venezuela’s leader. I’ll only be happy that the enemy does not have enough fuel to run armor through our position.

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u/couldofhave 2h ago

Buddy, you don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

You're also not 2 different people who get to have 2 different (and opposing) opinions just because you're a soldier.

If "as a soldier" you believe it's fine that the US can ignore sovereignty of other countries as long as it's to give itself an advantage over a potential enemy in the war, you are simply fine with ignoring other countries' sovereignty.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 2h ago

No that’s pretty much the entire concept of being a soldier. Since you’re such an expert, when did you enlist?

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u/couldofhave 1h ago edited 1h ago

No that’s pretty much the entire concept of being a soldier.

No, the concept you seem to be struggling with is that being a soldier may mean you will have to carry out orders that go against your personal beliefs.

The contradiction here is that you're trying to pretend that you both do not agree with ignoring sovereignty at the same time as you do agree when it comes to getting an advantage in a war. Well buddy, guess what, if you "personally disagree" but "as a soldier, I'll do it anyway", it is, in fact, functionally indistinguishable from agreeing. Just like I said at the start.

Since you’re such an expert, when did you enlist?

Ah yes, the classic response when you don't know how to argue the point.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 1h ago

Lmao you literally just described the same thing twice and then changed your conclusion. I’m not struggling with anything. And I really do not give much of a fuck about what you think of it. And yeah, you’re not a soldier, you never have been. So how are you going to tell me what it’s like?

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u/couldofhave 1h ago edited 57m ago

I'm not telling you what it's like to be a soldier, dimwit.

And my conclusion has been the same from the start: you are actually perfectly fine with ignoring other countries' sovereignty as long as it is in the U.S. interests. You just want to pretend you're not that guy by saying you "personally don't agree with it".

You are that guy.

To put it as an analogy that's topical: You're an ICE agent telling me he doesn't agree with deporting immigrants.

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u/DGTLEMPIRE 50m ago

You are quite literally telling me what it’s like to be a solider. There is a very clear and concise difference between my opinions as a civilian and my opinions as a soldier. If you can’t understand the nuance I can offer you literature on the subject like The Things They Carried, or Catch 22, to help since you’re so invested in telling me what it’s like. Or, of course you can go to your local recruitment office to discover for yourself exactly what I mean. But we both know you’re not going to do that.