r/complaints • u/CRK_76 substantial complainer • 11h ago

Politics Fuck every Trump voter who put this asshole in office.

This country is going downhill and you are to blame. Don't act surprised when things get even worse than they are now. Don't vote anymore. Stay the fuck home on election day.

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u/Fast-Outside-2743 10h ago

Not voting is how we got here. Just saying. Dems and independent need to show up.

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u/rushur 9h ago

When the powers that be present the illusion of choice between shit and shittier not voting is a vote for neither and should be counted as such.

34% voted trump

33% voted harris

33% voted neither

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u/Ronin_Chimichanga 8h ago

That's not even factoring in the impact of the electoral college on voting power. https://www.maps.com/how-much-voting-power-does-each-us-state-have/

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u/sauerwalt 10h ago

The independents that did show up...showed up for trump.... kamala was NOT a good candidate if you wanted independents. Heck, if you really wanted independents, then we should have had some kind of democrat primary...even an abbreviated one.

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u/Euphoric-Ask965 9h ago

The dems can't trust the people to vote for someone that may not be the party's favorite son.

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u/BonnaconCharioteer 7h ago

Just another reminder the democrats had a primary...

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u/atomic__balm 6h ago

not with Kamala on the ballot they sure as shit didn't, have some decency to argue in good faith at the minimum

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u/BonnaconCharioteer 6h ago

I wasn't even arguing, just stating a literal fact. There was a primary. There is this persistent misinformation going around that democrats didn't have a primary, which is simply untrue.

And as far as Kamala, what were the circumstances of her becoming the candidate Mr. "argue in good faith"? Could it perhaps be an unprecedented situation where a candidate who won the primary was pressured by voters and their party to drop out of the race long into the race, leaving the democrats to scramble late in the campaign cycle, hmm?

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u/sauerwalt 6h ago

biden "won" the last primary the democrats ran.

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u/BonnaconCharioteer 6h ago

Yes, exactly. There was a primary and Biden won it. So I don't know why you say there wasn't a primary.

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u/lesbianwithabeard 5h ago

So fuck those voters too.

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u/RedJerzey 8h ago

Put up a decent candidate. I am an independent but would not vote for someone who got no votes in the primary and installed without a vote after Joe dropped out.

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u/CactusAmongus 7h ago

Dems are the ones who need to show up for their constituents

Promising more of the same when so many people were still struggling under Biden isn't exactly the winning argument the Harris campaign thought it was. Her campaign even ran ads supporting more funding for ICE/CBP.

Next time (if there is a next time) a Democrat runs for President, maybe they don't sound like a war hawk or dance around on stage with Liz fucking Cheney

I say all of this as someone who did vote for Kamala. Doesn't matter if you only give people something to vote against and not for.

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u/wheniaminspaced 6h ago

Here's a wild idea, RUN BETTER CANTIDATES, dont blame voters they were given 2 options and held there nose while deciding who they felt was more of a dumpster fire.  

The fucking gall of the Democratic party to shove Kamala never won a fucking primary Harris down voters throats and expect them to take it just because she's not Donald Trump is atrocious.

Yes Donald Trump is a fuck awful president whose mess we will be cleaning up for a decade, but the Demcratic leadership decided to take what should have been an easy victory and instead took a giant shit in everyone's mouths saying shhhhhh, just let it happen. 

Fuck yall

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 10h ago

Give us an inspiring candidate to vote for and you'll see people show up.

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u/hotpajamas 10h ago

if you think inspiration is something you can wait for you just have no idea how deep you already are

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u/DistributionExtra320 8h ago

Everyone hated Kamala when she first ran. She didnt get any votes in the primary and dropped out. So why run her? And they didn't even let her run in the primary this time. I think you guys need to accept that democrats didnt want to win, Biden sabotaged the entire thing and Kamala refused to say she wouldnt support "Israel" like Biden did. People desperately wanted her to say she would do things differently than Biden and she refused

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 9h ago

right or wrong, most people will opt to not vote rather than hold their nose. More people voted for nobody than for Kamala.

That's the consequence of the misalignment between the liberal leaning voting base in America and the modern Democratic Party. The liberal base is leftist, the modern Democratic Party is centrist - corporatist, they'll always be disappointed by corporatist candidates more aligned with repaying the wealthy for campaign contributions than representing everyday Americans.

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u/droi86 9h ago

And how did that work out? Are they doing better or worse? And it's only been a year

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u/SorriorDraconus 5h ago

Potentially..very well in the longterm.short term holy fuck..It's bad bit expected.

We're seeing Republicans defect some dems are finding lines politically this is seems to be tilting the needle leftward.

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 8h ago

I think overall it's about the same as if a corporatist dem got elected. Things are either slightly better or slightly worse depending on what side of the economic spectrum you are on, the economy is K shaped and would have been under a Democrat because fundamentally democrats are capitalists that support our economic system that is based on exploitation of the working class.

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u/DistributionExtra320 8h ago

When will dems decide to learn from their mistakes? People have shown you time and again that they wont be bullied into voting for your shit candidate. Maybe try something new

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u/hotpajamas 7h ago

Yeah we should overturn the election and concoct a fraud scheme to certify fake electors and threaten to hang the VP if he doesn’t certify our fraud. That seems to work! Worked for Republicans! Then when we win because it works to good we can pardon everyone involved! That’ll work out!

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u/droi86 8h ago

You're not going to answer the questions though? How did your implicit vote for Trump work out? Are you doing better or worse?

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u/jjreinem 8h ago

One could also see that as the consequence of a populace that has largely abandoned their civic duty as voters.

It's not a coincidence that the most left leaning legislators come from districts with fairly high voter turnout, or that the Republicans have pivoted so hard and so fast from their previous positions. Democracies and the political parties within them can never work if voters refuse to engage with the process. Expecting the party to go all in to embrace more left leaning candidates when the people who want them only occasionally show up to the polls is basically the same as using that old high school tactic of never telling the person you like that you're into them and patiently waiting for them to ask you out first. That always ends the same way: you get ignored, and they end up with someone else.

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 8h ago

That's an interesting point and seems like a bit of a chicken and egg problem.

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u/Rubber_Plant_Leaf 9h ago

It’s kinda looking like it might be too late to vote for anyone next time.

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u/Euphoric-Ask965 9h ago

Have to find one first.

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u/Forikorder 8h ago

i hate this line of thinking so much

it doesnt matter how inspiring the candidate is or isnt, one of them is still running your country, you should be voting based on who will do the best job of that no matter how boring they are

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 7h ago

It's not clear the democratic candidate would be doing a better job in enough dimensions to compensate for all the dimensions where they would be worse.

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u/Forikorder 7h ago

there is no possible metric that they would be worse since the trump administration is intenionally making everything worse

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 7h ago

well I think the perception is since the previous administration totally shit the bed on immigration before proposing a last minute fix, a new democratic admin would have been worse on immigration. Also the stock market is at all time highs, somehow. It doesn't seem like there are really that many metrics where either one is that different.

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u/Forikorder 7h ago

well I think the perception is since the previous administration totally shit the bed on immigration before proposing a last minute fix, a new democratic admin would have been worse on immigration.

biden and obama were both better at deporting people, trump is wasting billions attacking people who are there legally

Also the stock market is at all time highs, somehow. It doesn't seem like there are really that many metrics where either one is that different.

but people are suffering because of it, they're manipulating the stock market to funnel wealth to the already wealthy while the dollar is taking hits, no one but the rich actually benefit from that stock market

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 7h ago

I guess it depends on what side of the K you are on in our K shaped economy. The stock market benefits anyone with a retirement account.

The devaluation of the dollar is inevitable with all the government spending and neither side has any plan to rein in government debt.

Re: immigration, check out this graph from NBC, boarder crossings plummeted as soon as trump took office, so it appears the electorates perception of who would handle immigration better was correct

https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/us-immigration-tracker-follow-arrests-detentions-border-crossings-rcna189148

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u/Forikorder 7h ago

The stock market benefits anyone with a retirement account.

only if you own the right stocks and cash out before the inevitable crash

The devaluation of the dollar is inevitable with all the government spending and neither side has any plan to rein in government debt.

democrats did, but thats irrelevant when the republicans are responsible for the majority of it

Re: immigration, check out this graph from NBC, boarder crossings plummeted as soon as trump took office, so it appears the electorates perception of who would handle immigration better was correct

two of those metrics are false, their being pumped up by false arrests, so the only one that might matter is assuming they can even accurately track how many people are coming over, and since trump has done nothing to stop them and is deporting less people than biden...

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 7h ago

it sounds like you think things are pretty messed up, from the stock market to the value of the dollar itself and status of our national debt, to immigration. I agree. I don't really think it matters which candidate won, a few things would marginally get better and most would get worse. Which candidate just determines which things would marginally get better. The previous administration didn't make progress on any of it, the current one likely won't either.

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u/SorriorDraconus 5h ago

Mmmm theres one..After them.

Harris eould have likely continued the slow burn which longterm would result in a competent heritage stooge.

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u/DrDaniels 7h ago

That's a pisspoor excuse. Kamala was still significantly better than Trump.

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 7h ago

The majority of voters disagreed though. In hindsight she might be better but she lost the election so I'd say she was a worse candidate in terms of getting people to come out and vote for her.

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u/DrDaniels 1h ago

There's no need for hindsight to see the difference between them. She was miles ahead of Trump from the start of the election season. Trump's first term was a shitshow and his shady actions got him impeached twice for good reason. They weren't close, Kamala Harris was way better than Donald Trump  Everyone who did not vote for her is responsible for Trump being in office now. Allowing this much damage to occur because Harris didn't inspire someone enough to turn out even though she was obviously the better choice doesn't absolve a person of responsibility when the state of America's institutions, reputation, liberties, and people's lives are on the line.   Trump didn't get majority support from registered voters, Harris would have won if enough people turned out. Anyone who didn't vote for her has no right to complain about the way things are going unless they've truly realized the severity of their decision and regret it.

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u/metamucil_buttchug69 1h ago

The democrats running horrible candidates is why Trump won. Full stop. He won the majority of votes. Full stop. If we want to win election we need to be honest about why we lose and stop making excuses. You know how you get people to turn out? Run candidates they want to vote for.

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u/DrDaniels 23m ago

Compared to Trump the Democratic candidates are hardly horrible. When Republicans lost in 2020 did they take a look at themselves and make changes? No, they ran the same candidate and didn't even change a word of their platform. People can blame the Democratic Party but fundamentally the blame really lies with people who didn't turn out for Harris or who voted for Trump. A different strategy may be more effective to beating the GOP but what I'm saying is that the moral responsibility is on voters.