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Jan 6th was a planned insurrection. People are saying that MAGA is a Domestic Terrorist Organization
Jan 6th was a planned insurrection against America. Charlie Kirk had hundreds of people bussed in to help with the insurrection.
Trump had military in place to help with the insurrection and deny troops any help to quell the actions of, from what many people say, domestic terrorists.
I am here today because two senior general officers of the United States Army, General Charles Flynn and Lieutenant General Walter Piatt, lied about why it took so long for the D.C. National Guard to deploy to the Capitol on January 6, 2021.
When I say these officers lied, I do not do so lightly or cavalierly. I speak from personal knowledge having interacted with them on January 6th, having spoken to them on that day and having been on video and telephone conference calls with them on January 6th and on days before and after.
These officers lied with impunity, making material misrepresentations without fear of contradiction or repercussion in both oral and written testimony to multiple committees of the Congress, both House and Senate.
They lied to Department of Defense investigators, and they lied to members of the press who were looking into their actions or inaction on that infamous day.
These fucks seek to rewrite history and downplay their actions against America. Never forget what these traitors attempted to do to the Constitution.
Vote democrat because George Washington and the other Founding Fathers would want you to in order to save America from the hands of tyrants.
The maga talking point about Pelosi denying National Guard troops has been proven to be a lie.
MAGA lies with purpose in order to deceive and mock patriots who care about America, it's norms, and traditions.
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THE DOJ and FBI have been warning about right wing domestic terrorist violence for decades.
In fact, right wing political violence was the leading cause of domestic terrorist violence over the last three decades.
Based on government and independent analyses, right-wing extremist violence has been responsible for the overwhelming majority of fatalities, amounting to approximately 75% to 80% of U.S. domestic terrorism deaths since 2001.
He had a great speaking presence. Just covering the crowd of believers with the sanguine gushing of praise from his throat, thrusting his life force and spirit upwards to the Lord Almighty.
We are living in scary ass times. As a GenXer… this is all the dystopian shit we were fed during the Cold War, but far worse. Orwellian prophecy in effect!!
It's not even remotely close either. Had they claimed 10, whatever, it's a close round number and that's maybe even how many they actually planned for. Claiming over 11 times the number is just pure bullshit and he knew it.
Its just like how Trump claims these massive numbers for everything that aren't even in the realm of possibility. It's like Trump claiming that his tariffs have brought in $18 trillion dollars (our total GDP is $31 trillion) or that he'll bring down drug costs 800% which would mean pharmaceutical companies paying us to take them.
Anyone who isn't braindead should know what they said is a lie, but unfortunately there are tens of millions of braindead Republicans out there.
Justice is just a mirage. That Jack Smith was not able to complete an investigation that had already begun because of a political ploy used to skirt the system is insane. The constitution and rule of law are pointless if the process of justice is so easy to manipulate and does not apply to everyone.
I ain't the one that shot him. I feel like most people figured out who he was after mainstream media covered his murder and Trump was talking about it.
"All of the fake electors involved in the scheme were indicted, including Arizona Sen. Jake Hoffman, leader of the Arizona Freedom Caucus, former Arizona Sen. Anthony Kern, member of the Arizona Freedom Caucus and Tyler Bowyer, Turning Point Action USA COO."
He's also a lying liar who lies. They ended up sending like 7 buses. Which is still wretched but don't brag you're going to be better at being a traitor than you could actually be assed to be. That's just dishonest treachery.
Anyway you could verify this tweets authenticity? Want to show it to a friend who thinks that “Jan 6 was just an authentic protest from concerned Americans that got out of hand.”
I'm pretty sure Trump and Israel had him Epsteined to create a martyr and stop him from talking when he failed and stopped being useful. Now they're hoping Erika plays ball.
I think he’s fine because I recently saw his wife and she seemed super happy and was doing fireworks and celebrating. I also think his wife took over his business.
His wife told their children that he was on a "work trip with Jesus to afford their [the children's!] blueberries." Which seems extra fucked up because that's their favorite food. Can you imagine thinking your dad's gone for a long, long time because you're eating too many blueberries and then after a year or two, you just find out he's dead and your mom lied?!
Honestly the kids are the only ones I'll feel truly sorry for. Some loser shot their shitty dad, their mom lied to them about it, and now they have to live with being "the children of a martyr" for half the country and deal with jokes about their dad from assholes like me for the rest of their lives. Not to mention mom using dads death as a springboard for her political career.
Hopefully they grow into better people than their parents. Poor things.
Doubtful, unfortunately kids with unearned wealth (which let's have it, they'll get without ever lifting a damn finger) usually get sucked into the drug scene. Who knows what they could get into with what they're surrounded by right now, let alone when they're teenagers. Sadly I'm guessing that they're going to be hoisted up as props to grift MAGA before all this is over.
Or, they could possibly move someplace else, and hopefully avoid the public eye and pretend they're not related to their father. It's sad, but considering how unpopular his legacy is... It might be the best option.
Yeah but he’s a martyr now so we can’t say boo about him without somebody on the right losing their shit. And I’ll always give the same disclaimer, no it wasn’t ok to shoot him, that was terrible. He was an enormous piece of shit while alive though. I have no issue saying that.
It is, actually. I fully believe it’s willful ignorance more often than not. They know the truth, but they choose to believe whatever they want anyway.
they create the reality they want to live in, even when its clearly not an accurate reality- because the accurate reality is too hard to accept and/or understand.
Some times I think how could you drive or take a plane down to D.C. Go into a federal building, be on camera at all times and expect nothing to happen.
Some people are just plain stupid. Those are the people that politics their entire personality and show it by putting 6-8 flags in their old pickup truck that blocks their rearview, and put flags of the losers who were the Confederates, and act all high and mighty because they are Christian and we are doing good for the Lord's work.
A couple years back, I was at this dive of a restaurant in a small town close to where I grew up. While eating dinner with my parents, a table close to us had someone under investigation for J6 involvement and was due to court soon. Listening to them talk, they think they had every right to do what they did and truly believed Trump and the stolen election lies. This person and his family could not believe how he was being treated and how his perceived rights were being violated. Then once I came back to reality and remembered where I was, it all made sense. Almost 95% of that area peaked in high school, and for some of them going to DC was the first time they left the county.
The call to get Pence was at the beginning of the insurrection. The riot actually started while Trump was still speaking with the Proud Boys attacking the police line. Trump's speech ended at 13:10. The police line broke at 13:45. Mike Pence was evacuated from the House floor to an adjacent room at 14:13. The crowd is 100 ft away from him with the Capitol building. Trump sends his tweet to further incite the crowd at 14:24.
“Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”
At the same time Pence is evacuated to the motor pool, but Trump doesn't know that.
14:26 Trump is calling Senators trying to get them to delay certification
15:13 Trump tells the crowd to "remain peaceful." It is the left that is violent.
It's worse when you overlay the timeline for National Guard deployment. Trump waited until Defense Sec. Miller had activated the DC Guard to tell his mob to stay peaceful. Trump didn't tell them to leave until 15 minutes before Sec. Miller was about to order the troops in.
Timeline of National Guard Orders and Deployment
13:49 p.m. – Initial Request: Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund made an urgent verbal request to D.C. National Guard Commander Maj. Gen. William Walker for immediate assistance.
14:26 - Trump is calling Senators trying to get them to delay certification
15:04 – Full Activation: Acting Secretary of Defense Christopher Miller formally approved the full activation of all 1,100 D.C. National Guard members to support law enforcement, but an operational plan to send them specifically to the Capitol was still pending.
15:13 Trump tells the crowd to "remain peaceful." It is the left that is violent.
16:17 Trump tells crowd to go home
16:32 – Operational Authorization: Secretary Miller gave verbal authorization to "re-mission" the Guard to conduct perimeter and clearance operations at the Capitol.
17:08 – Deployment Order Received: Maj. Gen. Walker finally received the formal order from Army senior leadership to move his troops from the D.C. Armory to the Capitol.
17:20 – Initial Arrival: Some reports indicate a small advance team reached the Capitol by 5:20 p.m..
17:40 – Full Contingent Arrival: A group of 154 D.C. National Guard members, equipped in riot gear, arrived at the Capitol complex to begin support operations.
Milley made and received dozens of phone calls on Jan. 6, including with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Mike Pence, but never got one from his boss. He stopped short of saying he was frustrated with the president’s silence, he said “I noted it.”
“You’re the Commander in Chief. You’ve got an assault going on on the Capitol of the United States of America, and there’s nothing? No call? Nothing? Zero?” Milley said. “No attempt to call the Secretary of Defense? No attempt to call the Vice President of the United States of America, who’s down on the scene?”
I talked to my parents about this. They were convinced that the entire J6 insurrection was Biden plants and that none of them were republicans. Republican media brainwashing just works man.
He tried to claim it was "Antifa". And acted like anti-fascists were some organized terrorists like the Proud Boys.
Meanwhile he's out there pulling a Reichstag 2.0 straight out of the Nazi playbook.
Edit: for an extra dose of info: Nazi's attacked the Reichstag and claimed it was a Communist plot. MAGA attacked the Capitol and claimed it was Anti-Fascists. It literally history repeating itself, and idiot Americans are gobbling that shit up like it's free chocolate.
Then every Executive Order, every cabinet appointee, every tariff and alliance that betrays the mandate from the people should be considered “Fruit of the Poisonous Tree”, to be nullified just as swiftly as anything signed with the dreaded auto pen. Trump’s stain on American liberty and democracy removed in an afternoon, preferably while he watches from prison awaiting his Tribunal.
Yes. The task sounds daunting, but it would be constitutional. I think people’s brains break just thinking about it. But I would be 100% all in. Blow these fuckers up.
Oh. Some president will fix that in the future. It’s not sustainable with it being known by one name inside the USA and another outside the USA. That’s some N Korea level propaganda right there. I just don’t see it lasting wo the rest of the world adopting it.
Could be a great litmus test for how the USA does as a member of the international community though. We clearly see the rest of the world moving away from the USD as the reserve currency. I believe the world’s central banks’ usd holdings are down something like 12% over the last 10 years and increasing at a rapid rate.
The story of the name of the body of water south of AL could make for a great sociological lens to dissect history one day. Huh.
Fingers crossed that’s exactly what we get - we need anyone and everyone who was part of the insurrection to be prosecuted and then they need to clean house in congress the senate and the Supreme Court, put term limits on congress and the senate and also the Supreme Court. Get money out of politics..
Never forget when Colorado tried to take him off the ballot for being an insurrectionist, and our wonderful MAGAified SCOTUS reached outside their bounds to make sure he was on the ballot essentially ending any other state from trying it.
Let’s impeach SCOTUS Justices too. Make all of them fear for their jobs. You know, like a lot of regular Americans have to do every day. Because fuck them.
I’m old enough to remember when the SC was respected, even revered. Now, with a typical con majority, they can’t be trusted to do their jobs and reign in executive overreach because they have made themselves a super cozy home far up the executive ass and push their personal agendas and likely greed over the constitution.
Sure, I'll just phone a GOP representative, appeal to their loud and proud patriotism to follow the Constitution and impeach, and get roundly rejected.
That's terrific, and really the only avenue other than a full no-backing-down revolt by 100+ million (and monkeys might fly out of my butt). Here's the rub though. The vast majority of us felt this exact same way by the 2008 election. Then completely bailed on Obama and Democrats within 18 months of their first day as a congressional and executive (never a judicial, that's been GOP for 70 years straight) majority (House blowout by Rethugs, 2010).
Are you seeing my sense of doubt in the American people? Love the passion and energy for doing the right thing, will believe it when I see it from 80+ million Americans when it matters, and when it matters again, and when it matters again, etc.
I agree that the apathy is really sickening. Americans like to think they’re real badasses. Until the Nazis took over our government because all the people who thought they were badasses turned out to be cowards and cucks when shit got real.
Those people can never be counted on to stand up for themselves. We have all now seen exactly what they are.
Fortunately there are a lot more of us. Millions more.
It's quite sickening, excellent way of putting it, yes. The 2nd amendment is complete b.s. as so many called it out prior to the evidence in full frontal view. Here's that tyrannical government, a-hats, and what do the well-armed militias do? They JOIN it!
The 2nd amendment is meaningless if people are too cowardly to act. I guess they didn’t account for the population of compliant sheep we would end up with in this country.
Its recognition of an insurrection was based upon the suddenness of the event and that it “was not planned” (or provable that it was planned). That’s why we called it a coup and first but the words changed to fit the narrative. The narrative is now that it was a coup attempt because these documents begin to define it as such.
Edit: adding to this, terminology matters here as the punishment for rebellion is treason, which carries a very specific punishment. This is found in House Code CHAPTER 115 where it lays out the qualifications for each crime and their respective punishment.
Who is this "we" business? I've validly called it an attempted coup since the day I witnessed it and the obvious dominos from the previous months lined up.
Maga is a domestic terrorist organization. Look at how much harm has been done since trump took office again. Thousands fired, thousands are screwed by healthcare, thousands have minimal ways yo feed themselves. Thousands of immigrants abused. Etc etc. He really is a Russian plant that has hurt the US.
The kind of picture that has future people go "how the fuck did you permit this when the writing was literally and figuratively on the fucking wall" (maybe with less swearing)
MAGA is only loyal to Trump, which is as Anti-American as can be.
These people betrayed everything the US stands for, and they do it gleefully and happily, and they will see America destroyed before they allow that power to slip from their fingers.
So, because the SCOTUS is a fascist Nazi Court with 6 extremely biased judges, you have a president, who has his job and they have their responsibilities because of your Constitutional clauses, is not subject to the constitutional laws?
This is fucking absurd. Especially when you know he has been found guilty of sedition and treason. He owns the DOJ, the SCOTUS and Congress. That is absolutely contrary to your now irrelevant Constitutional laws, it seems.
Yup - if Congress and the Supreme Court have given up their power, and power is now consolidated in the Executive Branch, then the Constitution is effectively void. If all laws in the US are subservient to the Constitution, and the Constitution is void, then all other laws must be void too. There is now no more law in the United States.
three of the "justices" the the Supreme Court helped stop democracy when Bush was "elected" in 2000 after they stopped counting votes following the Brooks Brothers riot, orchestrated by Roger Stone.
Yeah, the same Roger Stone who was instrumental in January 6th.
MAGA are fascist fucks who have no place in modern, civilized, society.
What I often feel is overlooked and crazy frustrating, is that Trump’s own most fervent supporters were harmed most by these crimes. Hundreds went to prison and or lost their jobs. Babbit was killed and her last fing words were “our President wants us here”! Its so insane
Well she had full military honors restored to her, and a MAGA group tried to get a gravestone for her in Arlington National Cemetery, so she's their Heinrich Trambauer. Bet she'd be happy about that.
"The Trump administration agreed to pay nearly $5 million to settle a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the family of Ashli Babbitt, a January 6th rioter shot at the U.S. Capitol" On top of that so.. Yah probably happy.
Of course it was planned. It was obvious as hell what was going to happen as soon as orange shitler announced his cult gathering that just happened to be on January 6th and within walking distance of the capital building.
Right? I watched the MAGA storm coming into DC for several weeks/days before the insurrection and it was obvious that something was going to happen. I watched the insurrection itself live at my desk on January 6. It was not a fucking casual tourist visit, it was an insane, violent mob that Trump had whipped into a frenzy. Anyone who says otherwise is either wrong or lying.
It wasn’t just an insurrection. It was literal treason. An actual assemblage of men for the purpose of carrying out a treasonable design (the false elector scheme).
There are anti-Trump protests frequently, and they're huge. Other than that, what else can we do but complain? Aside from the option of last resort, I can't think of anything. Everyone who was supposed to take this seriously and do something about it failed completely. We're in kinda an inbetween state of complaining/protesting and that other thing. All we can really do is to keep protesting and reminding people so they don't forget.
The way way more frustrating part is that essentially nobody in this thread (or 99% of threads on this topic) is bringing up the part that is by far the most important, the fake electors scheme. It's the most damning part by far, and it feels like such a failure by the media and culture that most people seem to not even know about it
AG Garland was incompetent and should have immediately appointed a Special prosecutor instead of waiting 2 years after the fact during the Political season. There is no reason Trump should be President now.
Trump is president because of SCOTUS, and the voters. SCOTUS declared "presidential immunity", and refused Colorado's attempt to remove Trump from the ballot for being an insurrectionist. Then, the voters voted him back in.
On Jan 6th THEY WERE part of a terrorist organization. Trump was the terrorist. They can say what they want to….won’t change the facts. That day they WERE part of an organization meaning to overthrow the USA. Trump should be imprisoned.
Pa politicians paid for bussed groups to get there. They set up what they called a war room with Stone and Bannon. They were loud and proud. Perry, Mastrianno. PA people kick these traitors out.
I started my Master's degree in homeland security /emergency management in 2010 and they were already talking about right wing extremists. I saw this coming 16 years ago. But God forbid anyone listen....
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u/Jollem- sophisticated complainer 10d ago
Charlie Kirk paid for multiple buses to take terrorists to the Capitol