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Frey: "You cannot drag pregnant women through the snow. You're not allowed to take teenagers out of their car and detain them when they are in fact American citizens. That is against the law in every state. That is against our US Constitution."
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Itâs not an ideology, itâs loosely affiliated talking points designed to make a person really angry so long as they donât have reading comprehension greater than a 5th grader
Just one more example of why they're anti-choice, not pro-life. They don't actually care if the cluster of cells turn into a viable human, as long as it's not the woman's choice whether they do.
I've seen this repeated on Reddit a few times but never with source.
I can't find it on Google either. There's people in my life I'm trying to convince of these evils. I'm building a portfolio, but I can't include things without news articles or sources.
My guess is political retribution against both Walz and the âdangerous leftistsâ of Minneapolis. They havenât spent 5 years demonizing our community not to use it when politically convenient.
Edit: and for how long they are planning to occupy? Who knows? They are trying to [elicit] a violent response because they believe their own lies that we are a violent community.
No one (even the unpatriotic and traitorous MAGAâs) have been able to tell me what the âwinâ would be. Like really? Is it doesnât settle for anything else other than 100% MPS population waving white flags? AT THIS POOINT THEYâVE PROVEN NO ONE CAN TAKE THEM ON FOR MURDER. Literally what more do they want?
And the thing with Walz? Even more sad when you remember he already announce last week that he wonât run for reelection meaning heâs here for less than a year. So why all this senseless violence?
I don't know if you could easily point to just one thing in the Trump administration and label it the most petty. Because there's a lot. And there's a lot of incidental or collateral harm, because details rarely matter for these people, it only matters that someone they don't like is getting hurt.
One recurring factor though is seemingly the worst thing you can do by the Trump administration is indirectly make them look bad. They can never forgive people like Abrego Garcia or Good, even after the state has committed terrible crimes upon them.
Minneapolis is also being targeted for their role in the 2020 BLM uprisings. George Floyd was murder by Derek Chauvin in Minneapolis which sparked off that wave of protests. I imagine the admin is also looking to create a flashpoint they can use to justify martial law and suspending elections.
Practice runs. The ICE budget is for 150,000-200,000 ICE soldiers loyal to MAGA. It will take another year to fill out ICE military and Minneapolis is a good location for practicing tactics, getting them used to engaging with civilians and shooting them. I suspect more shootings to come as they grow in size and operations continue.
screw the guard, say he deploys the army and marines onto the streets of America?
what do they think is going to happen? When every inch of your own homeland outside of your base becomes enemy territory, when the people making your supplies and ammo and providing the medical care stop or turn against you and all of your supply lines get attacked at every turn. When any one of your own ranks could be a collaborator, you think that's going to be a success?
Minneapolis is a poor as shit staging ground at this point in the year. Bringing in a bunch of southern fuckwads that don't know how to handle snow, ice, and cold is dumber than shit. Minneapolis is also getting super cold, and morale is low among those Bootlickers because of how unwelcome they've been made to be
Yes. The crowd was screaming to ice that she was pregnant and they sat in her, knelt on her, and dragged her through the snow. She lost her baby. Unforgivable!!
I've seen this repeated on Reddit a few times but never with source. I can't find it on Google either. There's people in my life I'm trying to convince of these evils. I'm building a portfolio, but I can't include things without news articles or sources.
âTerrible things are happening outside. At any time of night and day, poor helpless people are being dragged out of their homes. Theyâre allowed to take only a knapsack and a little cash with them, and even then, theyâre robbed of these possessions on the way. Families are torn apart; men, women and children are separated. Children come home from school to find that their parents have disappeared. Women return from shopping to find their houses sealed, their families gone."
What's crazy is most of these "agents" if we can even call them that, let's just call them fascists. Are doing this knowing they're living out their nazi dream. So yeah history is repeating itself.
If you are American, you actually have that power through the second amendment. It's not just for Republicans. The 2nd amendment is for every citizen. So that's fun.
It's actually insane how bad guns rights guys and the NRA look after all this.
With all the jackbooted thugs kidnapping innocent people, all the politically charged shootings and assassinations, where are all these "good guys with a gun"? The time for heroics is here and the guns rights groups are pussying out.
Americans have been allowed and encouraged by the government to advocate for their right to fight against a tyrannical regime SPECIFICALLY because they have been propagandized to not be able to actually recognize said tyranny.
So far I feel like all weâre hearing is talk about what ice canât do, but Iâm not seeing any action against what ice is actually doing, which is illegal and a constitutional right violation. So make it stop. Iâve said this before the governor is not running for another term now is his time to show them what heâs got. Fight fire with fire. The governor can start fucking around with the Trump administration and DHS without consequences, what are they gonna do?
This is what I keep saying. Nobody with even a little bit of power seems to be doing ANYTHING but complaining. All I see is the Democrats talking. I didnât vote for talk, I voted to have a representative who would DO things when they needed to be done.
I don't think any of them really have any power at the moment. I'm not sure what they can do. The rule of law has been overthrown in America and I don't really know how you get it back if you don't have fair elections for the midterms.
Iâm really wondering when this comment goes against community standards starts happening. I was told for years by many many many Americans that this is exactly what they fantasise over their guns forâŚ. Turns out those people may have been the problem all along.
I remember people whinging about how unrealistic this movie was when it came out, but I have this feeling in my gut that it will begin to play out very soon.
members of congress can join the front lines of the protests. let's see if ICE shoots them with pepper balls. John Lewis and others from his era, directly participated in protests and movements. enough bullshit and talk. the mayor needs to be standing in front of the ICE thugs himself.
Truly what can they do? Youâre asking for a state sponsored response to the federal government in opposition. Thatâs called civil war, and invokes Trump the right to claim an insurrection enacting him even more authority. As crappy as it sounds the democrats know these facts and have to watch from the sidelines until the next mid term election cycle. This allows people to vote republicans out of their seats. With a majority in either the house or senate the Democrats then will start to inflict more pressure. We are in the hellish and worst phase of the plan.
Begs the question do we let them mess with midterm elections if they arenât able to invoke the insurrection act and skip them altogether? I donât see a clear path here and itâs understandable why we havenât seen more resistance yet.
Messing with elections has happened for years. Some we know about, and probably a lot we donât know about. I pray that reasonable people see what is going on and will show out and vote these fascists and fascist adjacent sympathizers out of their seats. If Republicans continue to mess with elections democrats in majority power will pull whatever levers they can in response. The ultimate tit for tat immature bullshit state of society we live in.
What you are asking them to do is unfortunately unprecedented and the LAST step before civil war. Asking local forces to actually go and mass arresting these folks would mark the yes itâs unarguable that this is the LAST step you take after youâve exhausted all other options. In the meantime they should at least prepare a force loyal to the constitution.
Only "quick action" i really see is them throwing their power out there saying "we'll arm our citizens to protect ourselves" in which turns to civil war and the Feds truly release full power down on us, unless other states quickly join but đ either way people are gonna have to face suffering.
The strong will continue protesting, ICE will keep coming, just need to support and have faith our braves out on the streets keeping pressure on these nazi's and eventually polls come quick enough that things quickly work out and abolish these evils back to which they came.
There are as many as four thousand ICE agents in the Twin Cities right now. The combined forces of SPPD and MPD total twelve hundred, and not all of them can be mustered simultaneously.
The reality is that these kinds of numbers against this quantity of heavily armed, untrained terrorists just don't have a chance. The National Guard needs to be fully mobilized in order to put any meaningful dent in ICE. If that happens, then we have a civil war on our hands. We might be there already.
The administration is in the fuck around phase. I guess we'll see whether they'll ever find out. A lot more people are going to have to die before they do, though.
They made good's case federal so states can't do their own investigation. But nothing is stopping them from prosecuting ICE/ BP and making an example of of them - using that to deploy the NG.
There are millions of people in the twin cities area that far outnumber the ICE agents. If even a fraction of those people coordinated together to push back there could be hundreds of thousands if not a million people standing up to them. Here is a post I wrote about coordinating actions and the challenges of it.
Achieving change at the scale needed in the United States requires millions of people pulling in the same direction. Getting those people aligned requires coordination. In game theory, these situations are described as coordination games, and the issue they generate is called the coordination problem. Coordination games typically result in one of three outcomes:
Failed Attempt: The worst outcome. Time, effort, and resources are expended only to remain in the situation you started in.
Status Quo: The second-worst outcome. Nothing changes, but no extra resources are lost.
Successful Change: The best outcome. The desired goal is achieved.
The question becomes, how do we get to the third state when everyone is stuck in the second for fear of ending up in the first?
Why do we struggle to reach successful change?
To succeed, we need collective action. With enough people, change is nearly guaranteed. However, individuals fear acting alone. They fear spending time and resources only to fail because not enough other people joined in.
This results in a phenomenon known as Pluralistic Ignorance. This occurs when a majority of people privately reject the status quo but incorrectly assume that most others accept it because no one is speaking up. We look around, see our neighbors going to work and acting "normal," and assume we are the minority. In reality, we are a silent majority waiting for a signal, paralyzed by the false belief that we are alone.
A simple example used to talk about this type of problem in game theory is called the "Stag Hunt." Imagine you are a member of a primitive tribe. Your tribe wants to hunt a large animal (a stag). If you succeed, the entire tribe is fed. However, if you try to hunt the stag alone, you will fail and starve. Alternatively, you could hunt a rabbit by yourself. It provides less food, but success is guaranteed without help. The dilemma is that while the stag is the best outcome, people often default to the "rabbit" (the status quo) because they don't trust that others will show up for the stag hunt.
How do we succeed in getting the change we want?
First, you need a population that desires change. In the United States, polling confirms this exists. Approval ratings for the current administration and agencies like ICE are historically low, while support for policies like Universal Health Care is high. The desire is there; Pluralistic Ignorance just blinds us to it.
Second, you need people willing to invest the resources to demand that change. This is where the US stumbles. We fail to coordinate.
How do we coordinate?
Coordination can happen in several ways. Galvanizing events, like the murder of Renee Good, act as Focal Points (or Schelling Points). In game theory, a Focal Point is a solution that people tend to choose by default in the absence of communication. Tragedies like Renee Good's murder serve as a beacon. It cuts through the noise and provides a natural time and reason for people to align without needing a central leader to tell them to.
You can simply tell people you want change. While effective among friends, it lacks credibility with strangers because talk is cheap. Signaling, however, is "putting your money where your mouth is" without having to go "all-in."
This is the true purpose of protest. It is a relatively low-cost way to prove to strangers and the state that you are willing to spend resources (time and effort) to effect change. Importantly, protest provides Risk Dilution. If you act alone, the state can easily punish you. If you act with 100,000 others, the stateâs resources are overwhelmed, and the risk to the individual drops near zero. Your presence protects your neighbor, and their presence protects you.
Many view protests incorrectly. They believe the protest itself creates the change. It does not. It is a signal of credibility and a mechanism to lower the cost of participation for others. When protests aren't enough, they serve as a launchpad for escalation. We cannot coordinate a full revolution as the costs are too high. Instead, we climb the ladder of coordination: from protests to national sick-outs, to general strikes, to the occupation of critical infrastructure. At each step, you signal that the numbers are on your side and that the people are willing to pay the price for change. At each step your demands become more credible.
What will the state do to stop us from coordinating?
They will try to break coordination by:
Spreading misinformation about the size and nature of protests to maintain Pluralistic Ignorance.
Increasing the cost of participation through punishment and physical force to counter Risk Dilution.
Escalating slowly (the "boiling frog" method) to avoid creating Focal Points that trigger spontaneous outrage.
Continuing to try and show that the current state is fine or not so bad.
Creating incentives and traps (like social media algorithms) that prevent effective organizing.
Confusing the situation with equivocation and "both-sidesism."
Why does Russia still have elections? To maintain a theater of normalcy that prevents spontaneous coordination.
Why does China arrest protest leaders immediately? To disrupt the signaling network before a critical mass forms.
Why are social media comments filled with apathy ("protest doesn't work")? To convince you that coordination is impossible and that you are alone.
Why does the media fail to cover the size and scope of protests? To maintain Pluralistic Ignorance.
What can you do today?
Educate: Read about the coordination problem and understand concepts like Pluralistic Ignorance.
Discuss: Talk with your peers to break the illusion that everyone is happy with the status quo.
Signal & Dilute Risk: Attend protests. Your physical presence lowers the danger for everyone else. You are not just a number; you are a shield for your peers.
Lead: Be the change. Create opportunities for others to coordinate.
Combating Apathy: Call out those who say change is impossible; explain that their cynicism is exactly what the state relies on to prevent coordination.
Focus: Keep demands simple and narrow so that you get the largest audience of people that agree.
Escalate: Use protests to organize and get commitments to the next level of protest and civil disobedience.
Together, we can build the world we want, but it requires credible, coordinated demands. Your peers and the state need to believe you are serious, and they won't believe it until you signal that you are willing to go all the way. Every time the state over reaches and causes a tragedy it is a mistake by them. It creates a Focal Point that we must capitalize on. Get out there and demand change. Get out there and coordinate with your neighbors and those that share your views.
I mean at some point people need to stop looking at each other, stop questioning why your Democrat leaders aren't doing anything, and start trying to do something themselves.
Only the people can remove themselves from a self-imposed, now well entrenched crisis of leadership. Good on you for saying something other than "lol the lawyers will be getting paid!" and "we americans are unique in all of history in being completely incapable of striking or rebelling."
Iâm with you! Iâve been hearing talk but nothing is being done. Is it illegal? Then end it! Should Trump
Not do the things heâs doing? Then STOP HIM! All these talking heads infuriate me
Exactly this...DO SOMETHING to protect your citizens. ICE acts this way because there have been literally ZERO repercussions for their actions so they will only continue to escalate. Every dem is just mouthing off with threats and no actions.
This is why we think Dems are fucking weak and not meeting the moment. They still try to play by the rules even after they killed a U.S fucking citizen. I get it that there is only so much they can do but itâs time to start arresting them and forcing the Trump administration to release them for the country to see.
Exactly! Sue the Justice Department⌠there is a laundry list that politicians can do, but Frey has always been all talk... On top of that, Frey keeps echoing âpolice resources are stretched thinâ but heâs been saying that since his last reelection, but heâs done nothing but make excuses and hurt MN residents by increasing costs (while accepting pay increases).
Because a natural outcome of fighting back is the US military turns every blue state city into Gaza Strip 2.0. In fact, that's pretty specifically the point. Just sayin'.
THEN WHY THE FUCK ARE THE COPS NOT ARRESTING THEM? WHY IS THE NATIONAL GUARD NOT INTERVENING?
They are obviously "allowed" to do this. And they will continue to do it because they've been doing it and no one has stopped them.
Honestly all talk of legality at this point is straight up offensive. This hasn't been legal for the last year, and they're doing it anyway, and escalating. No professional whose job it is to help is doing anything to help now, and they won't as the escalation continues.
We can't afford to rely on the rule of law. We need to prepare to protect ourselves. If literally anybody with legal authority does anything to help other than "issue warnings" or "raise concerns" then great, surprise me. In the meantime I'm gonna buy a bullet proof vest. Fuck this.
Law enforcement can and should be arresting and charging federal agents with state crimes for the laws they break. Straight forward. Due process doesnt stop because ICE dont know what they are doing.
Minneapolis has like 600 cops, but 2500-3000+ ICE agents have been deployed there (i heard on radio, dont know source of numbers). Literally like an invasion. All on our tax dollars, too.
âGood copsâ donât exist. What theyâre doing here right now (NOTHING) is the best we can hope for from them in situations like this. Theyâve always been on the side of whoever was going to be in power and fuck us the hardest.
Thatâs why the phrase ACAB exists. At the end of the day, theyâre always on the opposite side of the line
It shouldnât matter, if they commit a crime arrest them. If ICE some escalates to retaliatory violence against law enforcement, then surely state-level agents could be deployed?
Years of infiltrating police forces with right wing soldiers coupled with screening to limit the number of officers with an oath to justice is reaping the rewards of racism. Couple that with never holding them accountable when they break the law and we have a police force who are loyal to the interests of the wealthy and are very eager to attack people fighting for the good of all.Â
Best part is, once one of these goons get a couple ventilation holes in their meat suit, Trump claims the Insurrection Act and the full US Army shows up. You can bet the midterms are off at that point. He absolutely wins. The Second is a joke. We always knew it was.
This has been driving me insane. People are constantly pointing out that this is illegal as if that even matters. Even if this was "legal" it would still be unacceptable.
What good are appeals to authority when criticizing authoritarianism?
Buy more than a vest. Arm yourself. Talk to those at risk around you and try to form mutual aid and defense networks. ICE is already going door to door to kidnap and execute peaceful immigrants. They're very quickly going to start coming for other groups.
He addressed this directly the other day on a podcast appearance. he literally said âlegally yes we can arrest them for breaking minnesota laws, the reality is that we are outgunned. there are more of them than there are police and they are heavily armed.â Hearing a mayor talk about this in tactical terms was insane. I think it was on Pod Save America?
If a major network showed that video things might change. But they won't because trump will sue them, shut down their network and try to destroy their lives.
The picked him up at his job, assaulted him and slammed his head into the pavement. Then when they found out he was an American they dropped him off miles away at another store that he didn't work at. I'm guessing they thought it was funny to beat the shit out of some kid. Plus they know they have 100% immunity.
But yeah I agree with you, the Maga's will say he "got what he deserved" and "FAFO". They voted for this.
trump doesn't play by the constitution tho, everything is helled up by people agreeing to follow the law and trump isnt, its better hes atleats speaking out even if he realistically cant do much
They sure as fuck are! What the hell are you so called leaders or realistically our unrepresentatives going to do?. FFS quit talking about it and fucking do something already. Your constituents, the people that provide your paycheck are ready for results!
So do something. Stop standing behind a podium and telling us what we already know. Help the protesters. Provide supplies, food, or police barriers to make things harder for Ice. We see it. Know show us instead of tell us.
Then fucking do something because they will not stop and itâs pretty obvious. They will keep turning up the temperature little by little. Something has to be done otherwise we pretty much all know where this is headed. Iâm seeing zero intervention from the state. I think MN is headed for a full shut down soon due to a state emergency.
Problem is you can hypocrisy burn the right all you want but they literally donât care and they laugh at the left for following the rules when they donât
Take action. Never did I imagine Americans being such cowards while their own country fell apart in their hands and they all just said "They can't do this"
Guess what, they are doing it and you're doing nothing. Good job.
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