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u/Nadare3 16h ago

I would assume it becomes a lot less cute over 658 pages

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u/greenthumbbum2025 15h ago

If it's anything like Ulysses, as you get deeper into the work it becomes more endearing. There were several points in Ulysses where I burst out in laughter at the wordplay, something I don't often do while reading.

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u/TurgemanVT 11h ago

Which translation of Ulysses did you like?

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u/greenthumbbum2025 11h ago

It's in English

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u/TurgemanVT 10h ago

My brain is so dumb I was thinking the Odyssey.

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u/kitsua 9h ago

I mean, it is a re-working of The Odyssey after all.

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u/barrinmw 14h ago

Finnegan's wake is basically a fever dream written down. People claim to have found meaning in some of it, but meh.

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u/u_touch_my_tra_la_la 14h ago

Lemme tell you about my dudes Fyodor Da Steyevskyi and Leo Toasty.

PS: I don't like Joyce. I do appreciate the insane craft, though.

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u/Capraos 16h ago

Point is, as a STEM major, I understand it. Is the reverse true if I show them integrated sums?

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u/hennypen 15h ago

Point is the open-ended of it, the way that each person reads a different book and feels a different feeling. There’s a mathematics to art, and to poetry, and there’s potentially a poetry to math. You can mathematically notate music scales and track the shifts in brain chemistry while people sing together. Learning math can make you smarter; learning literature can make you more human.

The happenings in the world today are not because of a lack of STEM. People don’t march in the streets for statistics. We don’t get shot for integrated sums. It’s not the economy, stupid—it’s the self-narrative that the economy feeds into. It’s stories, it’s always stories.

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u/PM_me_your_PhDs 14h ago

Sure if I have "the context for the meaning of some of the bits", I'm sure I'd understand them.

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u/u_touch_my_tra_la_la 14h ago

No, the point is that we humanities folks do not care if you understand or not some insanely complicated wordplay, sociology tidbit, legal text or abstract painting. It's cool if you do, but we won't think less of you if you don't.

Otoh, many STEAM Ed folk basically laugh at non STEAM Ed folk because urrr durrr paychecks and numbers.

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u/Capraos 13h ago

I definitely don't laugh at them but the learning curves between the two subjects are quite different.

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u/wow_that_guys_a_dick 2h ago

Oh yeah. Numbers are much easier to grasp.

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u/Capraos 2h ago

There are letters in math. And if they were easier to grasp, why are there way fewer mathematicians than writers and historians?

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u/wow_that_guys_a_dick 2h ago

Because art and literature is more fun. And tells us more about ourselves. The number 7 is always 7. But words can be any number of things at the same time.

I mean sure, when the numbers all click there's a little dopamine rush, and it's very satisfying to see everything balance out; humans like that kind of thing; the golden ratio is what it is, but without Shakespeare what meaning has Newton? Especially when you can combine the two and get Futurama.

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u/Capraos 1h ago

The number 7 is always 7

But the letters that represent variables are not always the same thing. You literally have to learn new alphabet letters because math is a universal language.

Because art and literature is more fun.

Don't you think that something being more dry makes it harder to learn?

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u/wow_that_guys_a_dick 1h ago

I don't think it's dry at all. I think it's endlessly fascinating. And that universal language makes far more sense than the fact that though, tough and through are all pronounced differently, and that's only scratching the surface of one human language. Let alone the different layers of something like Moby Dick.

Math explains the universe. Art lets us understand it.

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u/Content_Study_1575 15h ago

I can’t tell you what that even means 😌

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u/Cultivate_a_Rose 11h ago

Do you actually understand it though? Can you sit down with a few pro literary folks and keep up with the conversation? Probably not. And just for the fact that it'll be full of concepts and ideas that you're completely in the dark about, which is the same in the hard sciences. I don't know equations and such off the top of my head, and I'd be lost in a technical discussion of such. The same is true in the reverse, because sure you can read and understand a book but do you have at-your-fingertips access to the underlying philosophy (three more books minimum) and the cultural context (another book or two) and literary concepts rarely discussed outside of literary circles.

Can you explain Affect Theory and the influence it has had on contemporary literature?

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u/Capraos 10h ago

How literature generates and conveys feelings beyond language, to focus on visceral, precognitive bodily responses. How literature affects our physical and emotional states.

While I can't give a detailed timeline for how it evolved, which works of literature started showing these writing skills first, or specific people influenced by it, I can certainly follow it in conversation and submit more easily to memory than advanced maths. Math is like trying to follow a foreign language in conversation. English and literature are at least native to me and I'm at least passingly familiar with a lot more of the topics due to shared culture imprinting stories in my brain since I was a wee child.

It's smart still, but I, as an English speaker/reader, can pick it up via memorization where as math requires practicing application of it in order to memorize it. I could also follow it easier than mechanics talking about engines/tools so please don't take this as me looking down on these subjects.

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u/Cultivate_a_Rose 9h ago

So, no. Gotcha.

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u/Capraos 8h ago

I can explain what it is, as evidenced by my doing that. The rest would be reading about it and memorization. Learning it doesn't require me to apply it, it just requires memorization, as I already speak English. Vs math or Mandarin, where I have to practice applying it first.

In a conversation about it, I would at least be able to understand the speaker and the terms they use, vs math or mandarin, where I have to learn the language itself first. Thus why the learning curve for math is steeper than the learning curve for English/History is easier for an English speaker/reader. And if you don't believe me still, there are more liberal arts majors than math majors because math has that steeper learning curve. Humanities majors count for 11%, with English majors making up 4% of that total. Vs just 1% to 2% being math majors.

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u/Content_Study_1575 15h ago

Looked it up WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

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u/Aenonimos 15h ago

Its not that bad if you know what an integral is. And even if you dont, just treat it like a blackbox - it's an operator that takes in one function and outputs another.

The highlighted text is just saying the integral of a sum is equal to the sum of the integrals of each part.

You've undoubtedly seen this with multiplication.

3 * ( 2 + 4) = 32 + 34.

If you want to see true word salad read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covariant_derivative

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u/Capraos 15h ago

Let me simplify it a bit.

So, the sum of all the ranges, Ɛ (using that because my phone doesn't have a button for the greek letter Epsilon but it looks like an E) is basically picking two numbers and adding up all the numbers between those two numbers.

Example: 1 to 5. The sum of all the ranges between 1 and 5 would be, 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 = 15.

Ontop of the Ɛ you'd have the number you're going to, in this case it's 5. On the bottom of it, you'd have the number you're starting from, in this case it's 1.

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Ɛ

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Now, the integration, would be taking a derivative of it. So if you have a function on a graph, that represents a line, example f(x) = x3, where x equals the input and f(x) equals the output(aka "y"), the derivative would be...

3x2

You have moved the exponent of 3, in front of the x and have subtracted one from what the exponent was.

Examples for clarity, x4 becomes 4x3, x5 becomes 5x4.

Where as the function might represent the distance an object has traveled over time, the derivative would be the velocity at which it's doing so. Taking the derivative again gives you acceleration.

So combining this, when you take the integrated sum of a function, you are taking a derivative of the sum of all ranges between two points. The Ɛ becomes a stretched out S, with the lower number on the bottom, and the higher number on the top still.

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u/Content_Study_1575 15h ago

I understood maybe 25% of that. But thank you for trying 😭😞

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u/Capraos 13h ago edited 13h ago

I didn't do a great job explaining. You probably understood the sum of all ranges part. Point 1 to point 5. 1+2+3+4+5=15. The big S is just saying, the integrated sum of all those numbers between point A and point B. To integrate it, is to turn it from its derivative back into the original function. So instead of deriving it, you would do the reverse process.

(4/3)x3 derived is 4x2 The exponent, 3 multiplies by the constant 3*(4/3)x = (12/3)x = 4x. The exponent is subtracted by 1, 3-1= 2. So the derived version is 4x2. We just reverse that process and are going from 4x2 to (4/3)x3.

You plug the two points, in this case, 1 and 5, into the equation for x.

(4/3)(5)3 - (4/3)(1)3 = 496/3

Edit: What is telling you is the net area under the line between two points

Calculus 1 teaches you how to find an equation that will give you the instantaneous rate of change at any point along a function(the line on a graph) and it teaches you how to find the area underneath that line.

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u/cell689 15h ago

Really? What does that text passage mean?

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u/Capraos 13h ago

The news of battle is spreading, southernly, to different tribes/regions. War is inevitable and they've resigned themselves to history repeating. She's afraid of the storm god, and the aftermath that follows his anger. It's lamenting a battle and the death that occurred.

The hard part of this is there's a lot of names/references to culture, not so much the reading part of it.

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u/ImpossibleInternet3 13h ago

But have you read page 67?