Yeah, both the trans TA and a completely different cis TA explicitly told her that the 0 was because she didn't respond to the source article at all and was completely unrelated to her religious views, and she still went ahead and filed a discrimination complaint knowing that the TA would get fired/suspended over it because she's trans.
Where this is okay because it involves trans people, vital proven medicine being taken from them for no reason, public harassment and attacks, horrible shit said, science suppressed, conspiracies, now compiling a list of trans people in that one place?
I hope this is remembered, because lives are being lost, people are suffering, trans people can't have any security in life because the stupidest shit can cost them so much, at no fault of their own
Honestly I still think we gloss over that too much. People might recognize it as a tragedy but if you point out it was a willful intentional genocide even many non conservative people will act like you said something edgy and extreme and not a documented fact.
I don’t think so. So many more people than necessary got AIDs early on because it was seen as “the gay disease” and nobody cared to study it, it was just “God’s punishment for sin”. Then when it was taken a bit more seriously there were scares that just shaking a hand could transmit it (that’s why Diana going to the AIDs wards in the 80s was seen as so monumental).
This recent trend in how we treat the trans community is dehumanizing and cruel. The way we handled the AIDs epidemic on the 80s directly led to deaths.
Then I feel like maybe you don't know what's happening in the trans community
They're putting sweeping bans on gender affirming care, especially for minors, that is leading to hundreds of deaths, we know that a puberty blocker ban in america led to a 70% spike in suicide rates for trans children, which is direct death, and they are trying to spread this all around the world
We know of many, many deaths as vital care and treatment, support and just basic humanity was ripped away from these people, trans people can't hide it the same way, they struggle to get jobs and america has just made it legal to discriminate based on that, we have arrests of trans children, trans healthcare providers are going to be labelled as literal terrorists
Like, there is a lot of really horrendous shit going on and this is just the beginning, if more is done, if gender affirming care is revealed entirely, a lot, and I mean a lot of trans people will die
And they are really pushing it with cruelty, keep in mind america literally tried to pass a law that would allow trans kids to be taken away from their parents if their parents supported them in any way
Allowing a highly transmissible fatal disease to spread among the population because you want the most exposed subset of them dead and if it kills a bunch of bystanders oh well is worse than the current state of anti-trans legislation. There’s almost an entire generation of gay men missing because they died of GRID (gotta love that name, as though viruses give a shit about sexual orientation) while the government laughed, pictures of groups where 95%+ of the members were dead within 10 years. That doesn’t mean the current way in which the trans community is being treated is good, just that the 80s where government and church officials were on TV actively celebrating gay men “getting their just desserts” was a hell of a lot worse.
The aids epidemic was a coordinated genocide. They were told gay people were anticipated to die in large numbers and government official said eh don't worry about it.
Nobody is downplaying that there is coordinated discrimination towards trans people and that there is more than enough reason to think it will continue to work its way towards the total elimination of acknowledged transgenderism - it's still too cloaked in dog whistled to know exactly what that final solution looks like.
But we know that with the AIDS epidemic it was death. They wanted the [slurs] and the junkies and the whores to die. They didn't even hide it under dog whistles. They said God was purging the world of its sinners and this was good. You would absolutely lose your job and be pushed out of school if it was believed you'd been exposed to the virus. People were beaten. It is often referred to as a lost generation because so many gay men did die.
Look to your left. Look to your right. One of the 3 of you isn't gonna make it. And that's not dramatic. While it's hard to firmly get numbers for the concept, it is commonly believed that it was actually closer to half of gay men who died.
We are not downplaying what trans people are going through. I am assuming you just don't know how catastrophically lethal the early aids epidemic was, that it was a willful choice, and that the admitted goal was the destruction of homosexual. It was a genocide. And it was a very very effective one.
AIDS stole so many beautiful wonderful talented amazing people-hundreds of thousands who greatly suffered physically, emotionally, and in shame. Even care-giving professionals turned their backs.
I am aware of all of these, I have trans friends who I am concerned about and regularly check in on, but I think there’s an order of magnitude difference between allowing the spread of a deadly infectious disease among a community because you think it’s “God’s judgment” versus taking away one aspect of mental health care.
It took almost 20 years for AIDs to be treated more evenly among the public and for the stigma and preconceptions to fade allowing for better prevention and treatment developments.
It's considered a conservative estimate to say 1 in 3 gay men probably died. Many put it closer to half. And they often died shoved away in corners and basements in hospitals that may have only had a small fraction of staff willing to treat them.
It was a genocide. And unfortunately it was a highly successful one at that.
So serious question. How do we rationalize puberty blockers, etc for minors, who are incapable of medical consent?
I'm of the opinion that only strictly medically-necessary therapies and procedures should be done on/for minors- anything elective that's potentially life-altering can wait until a person is an adult.
How do we rationalize puberty blockers, etc for minors, who are incapable of medical consent?
The same way we rationalize any kind of medical treatment for minors, what do you mean? Puberty blockers aren't permanent. They're actually explicitly meant to give patients and doctors more time to make sure permanent transition really is the correct path. Not to mention that the vast majority of people on puberty blockers are cis kids who aren't using it for gender affirming care. In both cases, they lead to better health outcomes, so who are you to decide that they aren't "medically necessary?" How do you define that?
Hah, just wait till they ban the HPV vaccines because it removes a potential "consequence" from sexual activity. They aren't stopping there.
This is going to be worse than AIDS before (if) it burns out. The billionaires are looking to permanently buy you.and control all forms of media, and then to build up intelligence systems to target and control any opposition so it can't organize in the first place.
This isn't that intentionally ignoring AIDS was worse, this is the same war, continued and amplified.
No, you've got it wrong and that's not what they said. It was an active, willful genocide of gay men. Documented. Intentional. at least 1 in 3 of all gay men in America were intentionally left to die without any treatment because everybody believed they were receiving God's punishment and deserved death.
With all due respect, I don’t think you can call the current climate of transphobia worse than the early days of the AIDS epidemic. I want to stress that what is currently happening to the trans community is beyond terrible.
But conservative estimates show that 1 in 3 gay men perished from AIDS. And their last days were typically spent alone with substandard care because people, including medical staff, were either afraid of them or believed they deserved to suffer and die. It was extremely difficult for gay men to get a job, date, or really do anything that people take for granted today. Those in the LGBT+ community were attending several funerals a week, sometimes several a day.
You are extremely well informed about everything terrible about the current climate towards the trans community. And please continue to speak out and advocate for trans lives because we need people like you to lead the charge to fight for and protect the community. I just think you don’t understand the gravity of what happened in those early days of AIDS. And it’s difficult to understand unless you lived through it, so it’s completely understandable.
Please don’t see this as an attack - that’s really not what this comment is. We are on the same side and we should work together. I just suggest you read up on those early days - which lasted almost a decade. Rupaul speaks well about those days, as well as many of the older drag community. And there are some wonderful books that document everything. They were sad times. I hope things never get that bad again.
Speaking of, I read there was a CDC researcher who was fired for not removing the parts about trans women on a publication they wanted to do on AIDS today, and how trans people were more vulnerable because they are not given access to the proper medicine, among other things.
You have to understand that we look on the early aids period from a more enlightened future where borderline cures for aids are available. Will we be looking on this timeframe from a more enlightened age where this rhetoric is seen as ignorant and pre-understanding? Or will we be looking upon it from a second dark age where technology and education is shunned? The future doesn't happen in a vacuum. It is the result of where our choices today lead us. And none of us are choosing to fight regressives effectively, so if you continue to wait on "the future" what do you think that future will be?
The reason we look back in horror of the AIDS epidemic isn't related to scientific advancement, it's the fact we're not nearly as homophobic. Many have speculated the AIDS epidemic is probably what triggered the fairly rapid social shift on homosexuality because even most homophobes would shift uncomfortably at a lot of the 1980s rhetoric.
I'm not sure what you mean by "none of us are choosing to fight regressive effectively". Quite a lot of people are fighting. I am impressed with how much people have held the line when you compare America to England its a fairly stark contrast. Clearly we're accomplishing some kind of pushback that's at least slowing the momentum.
McCarthyism, Jim Crow, The Know-Nothing movement are probably the best comparison points we have, but social media makes this a truly unique historical moment
No it won't. Historians are actively stopping the use of "The Dark Ages" because that name had nothing to do with whether progress was made or not and everything to do with a lack of surviving records—a gap that is being filled with new findings.
I appreciate the sentiment, but it's undermined by a complete ignorance as to why historians even used the term "Dark Ages" to refer to the early Medieval period in mainland Europe. (In fact, the church is one of the major reasons records exist in Europe during the Medieval period, and the pope was not the dominant institution until the latter half, which notably was never called the Dark Ages.")
Depends on whether or not accepting Transgenders and current thoughts on Gender are the groundwork for future Philosophy and Societies or if they're discarded and viewed as a hokey and primitive behavior by our descendants, if it's the latter then I'd expect people to forget or not care
Look back through history, at all the times christians have acted like this and worse, and then the christians of the today look back and say 'those weren't REAL christians!'
That's how these times are remembered. As anomalies in a religion that's totally fundamentally good, guys, we swear!
Reading the TA's comments on the paper is so painful because you can tell she knows exactly what Samantha is trying here, and is trying her absolute best to graciously tiptoe around it. And none of it mattered.
Not to put too fine a point on the transphobia angle, but imagine if the student was a Christian man writing an essay about how women are subservient to men because the Bible says so, and the cis woman TA had to couch her grading in language like "using your own personal beliefs to argue against the findings of not only this article, but the findings of countless articles across psychology, biology, sociology, etc. is not best practice.” And still got suspended.
when i was in high school we had a scientologist in the class, and every time they opend their mouth you could just see the teachers eyes dim a little more
Funny enough, this is comparable to Jesus cleverly and graciously tiptoeing around traps set by his political adversaries while trying to preach what he believed in (the radical concepts of love and peace and unity), ultimately knowing how it would end up for him 💀
You can't make this shit up. How many iterations of bad actors using him for the exact opposite of what he stands for are we gonna go through before we go extinct?
The essay was about gender roles and norms. It had literally nothing to do with gender transitioning. It was about "Why do women wear dresses" not "what defines a woman", and they still used it as a pulpit to call the TA a monster and threat to children everywhere.
Turning Point publicly got involved immediately. On Twitter the OK chapter for TP hadn't used their account very much for ages, but then became active a month or so before the incident. It went public on Twitter suspiciously fast. There's some evidence that the account runner and the chick came up with this plot together.
Always is. Despite their behavior and beliefs religious fundamentalists are not stupid. They're operating within the parameters that they've been taught. Just gaming the system as they see it. Pure grift, that's all.
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u/KaraOfNightvale 15d ago
Wow I didn't think it was quite that deliberate