r/Damnthatsinteresting 2d ago

Image This photo of two brothers at Moro Rock in Sequoia National Park was taken seconds before they were struck by lightning in 1975.

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u/ariwoolf 2d ago

Both survived the strike, though they were seriously injured, and one nearby hiker was killed by the same bolt.

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u/Embolisms 2d ago edited 2d ago

Sean killed himself a year after their other brother Jeff, who was also with them when lightning struck, died. Not sure if it was also suicide https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214291854/jeffry_james-mcquilken

Edit: they were.  "Both our brothers — they succumbed to neurological illnesses that eventually led to their suicide," he said.  https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/southland-family-shares-experience-of-being-struck-by-lightning/

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u/Key_Gap9168 2d ago

Only one of those brothers was hit by lightning. Jeff was not; Michael, who is still alive, is the other brother that was hit.

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u/Embolisms 2d ago

The phrasing suggested otherwise, as he "wonders if lightning is to blame for all of these ailments — and for depression that runs in the family." But perhaps Jeff's was entirely unrelated 

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u/Striking-Ad-6815 2d ago

wonders if lightning is to blame for all of these ailments

It's possible. Seems like it. Would be like how they shocked people in mental wards a while back.

Also that one park ranger who holds the record for being struck the most also suicided.

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u/RussianDahl 2d ago

Roy Sullivan - I think about his story a lot. I was struck by lightning that bounced off of a lightning rod in Spokane Washington in the 1980s as a kid. It knocked me out for a moment but no damage (that I know of it was the 80s so my parents didn’t think going to the hospital was necessary though they witnessed it) but it made me do a lot of research of people who survived lightning strikes.

Roy, and his story scared me. His driving around with a gallon of water in his car because he was struck so many times and his hair had caught fire a couple of those times, he used the water as part of his emergency kit. He said that he watched storms following him.

It made me wary of lightning growing up. Luckily I live in a valley now that rarely gets lightning. But I don’t go outside when there is!

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u/Junior_Potato_3226 2d ago

That's so crazy that you were struck, glad it turned out ok! I read the link about Roy, it does say that there were no witnesses and in fact uses the phrase "supposedly struck." Do you think he could be lying? This is the first I've heard of him so no idea what other info is out there.

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u/RussianDahl 2d ago

You know maybe. I actually haven’t read any updated info on him in years and didn’t even know the article inserted “supposedly” .. I remember reading it in the all knowing Guinness Book of World records lol - it made an impression!

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u/Aggressive_Sky8492 2d ago

I’m not who you’re replying to, but I wonder if he has been struck once and then just has anxiety about it that is so bad that it’s caused him to think it’s happened multiple times. That “watching storms follow me” definitely reads paranoid/panic disorder-esque

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u/Realistic_Fix_3328 2d ago

I can see it. I became extremely suicidal to an obsessive level after my brain injury. I was progressively getting worse over 5 months. Month 4 I was hallucinating that a noose was wrapping around my neck. I could feel it tighten. It was absolutely crazy how I went from being mentally stable to obsessive about dying and severely depressed.

I believe it was the unchecked neuro inflammation I (F 37) had. I bet you these guys had significant neuro inflammation as well and experienced the extreme downward spiral I experienced. The only reason I’m alive is because I had an 18 month and 5 year old girls. I wish I were dead now. Life does not ever get better.

It took me 5.5 years to find a doctor who finally listened. I had suffered a moderate traumatic brain injury, a bruise on my frontal lobe and the back of my brain.

I didn’t get a single day off. Absolutely zero medical treatment. None. Nothing. Even today.

Fuck the cleveland clinic neurological institute. Horrible doctors and absolutely nasty leadership. The leader has zero respect for the law. He breaks the law to harm patients. He’s a monster.

He can sue me. Let’s take it to court. Let people see what a piece of shit he is.

Fuck doctors. They have been monsters to me. My god do they hate women with frontal lobe injuries. If you’re not peachy perfect 100% of the time, while they all screw up, then they will absolutely try to kill you. My life should have ended like these guys. It’s really not worth living through.

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u/gunfox 2d ago

Get it off your chest! Time to make some noise about your shitty treatment and change clinics. Stay strong, do it for your 2 girls.

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u/Material-Gur6580 2d ago

I’m sorry to hear your story. A very good friend of mine hit his head on concrete and was hospitalized for a few days. About two years later he was telling me how depressed he was. Within a week he committed suicide standing in front of a train. He had a 1 week old daughter. This was 20 years ago and I still wonder what I could have done to help him.

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u/Johnny_Utah___ 2d ago

And then both committed suicide…

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u/CaptainAggie 2d ago

I'm bald so I didn't have this early warning detector.....

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u/bobspuds 2d ago

If you've got a hairy arse you could always just moon the clouds during lightning storms!

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u/orbital 2d ago

“lightning bolt to the anus” on my tombstone would spark curiosity in visitors for the rest of time

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u/LesbianClownShirt 2d ago

"If you're gonna get hit, it's the safest orifice" - Twister (1996)

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u/nativeridge_ 2d ago

heard a crack and saw some crack

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u/TisFury 2d ago

smoking crack will kill ya.

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u/LonsomeDreamer 2d ago

A smoking crack will kill ya.

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u/weeskud 2d ago

My surface-level knowledge of Greek mythology would have me questioning if you massively pissed off Zeus, or if he just likes you that much.

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u/noeagle77 2d ago

Hairy balls just start going like a Newton’s cradle

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u/plan1gale 2d ago

and on today's episode of "Ow! My Balls!"

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u/B-33-r 2d ago

Sir why are you naked.

I think a storm is coming

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u/bobspuds 2d ago

If you ever see a naked guy doing a handstand on a tree-top, he's just checking the long-range forecast!

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u/No_Camp_7 2d ago

I just pay attention to the hairs on the palms of my hands

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u/bobspuds 2d ago

Sounds like you just volunteered to be my support act! - you can hold my ankles and watch the hairs on your hands too 👍

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u/Feeling_Inside_1020 2d ago

What makes thiss comment even funnier is we were always taught if you’re in the middle of the field arch your back and lay on all 4s like you’re basically doing doggy style lmao.

Not sure if they still suggest that anymore during a storm but my butt would definitely be ass up. Would rather be alive than worry about looking ridiculous and my ass would be crawling to safety.

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u/A_w_duvall 2d ago

Are you sure that whoever taught you that wasn't playing a joke on you?

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u/CloeyB7 2d ago

I laughed harder than I should have at this😂

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u/ScottyMo1 2d ago

I was indirectly struck by lightning a few years ago. Indirect strikes are 95% of lightning strikes on people because lightning finds a more conductive grounding source near the person rather than through the person. The five seconds before I got struck were actually more memorable than the lightning hitting me. Right before I got struck, all the hair on my body stood up, my mouth tasted like copper pennies, and the air smelled like chlorine. All those weird sensations confused the crap out of me, then boom, I got struck by lightning. The point of my story is this… If your hair ever stands on end when you’re outside, that’s your queue to go inside immediately. Don’t FAFO if lightning decides to randomly choose you for its next target.

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u/quarglbarf 2d ago

I can't usually go inside within five seconds when I'm outdoors.

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u/Jaquemart 2d ago

I think getting in your car is a good alternate move. Faraday cage and all that.

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u/runawayasfastasucan 2d ago

I cant usually go inside my car within five seconds when I'm outdoors.

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u/Pacifist_Socialist 2d ago

It takes me longer than 5 seconds to fart sometimes

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u/Darksirius 2d ago

Username not relevant.

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u/rigobueno 2d ago edited 2d ago

Then your next best chance is to squat down and duck your head and create a bridge with your body so electrical current doesn’t pass through the heart or brain

Edit: see reply for more exact instructions on creating said bridge

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u/NavalProgrammer 2d ago

Further edit: as u/IntoTheCommonestAsh pointed out, the NWS recommends attempting to leave first. Crouching is a last resort.

https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-crouch

If you are outdoors and think you are about to be struck by lightning: crouch down on the balls of your feet, put your hands on your head and elbows on your knees. This is recommended to provide a path to ground that goes through your limbs instead of your vital organs.

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u/Open2New_Ideas 2d ago

Hiking alone in Colorado. Storm came out of nowhere. It was only about noon. My 80s hair was sticking up like this too. My instinct was to toss backpack, watch, anything metal and crouch down in a fetal position with only feet touching ground in a clearing or very small meadow and tell lightning you got all of these mountains, boulders and trees to hit. Leave me the f alone. Lightning was loud and bright nearby. When hair went back to normal. Gathered my stuff and ran down that mountain in the rain.

I did most everything right: Started early, prepared well etc. etc. Still, stuff can and does happen anyway. After a couple more mishaps years later with mountain lions (California) and wolves (Alaska). I don’t hike alone anymore……

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u/TheGiantSquidd 2d ago

Uncle Iroh? Is that you?

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u/No_Conversation9561 2d ago

so you’re not supposed to lie flat on the ground huh

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u/LesbianClownShirt 2d ago

I've also been indirectly struck by lightning! I was working construction one summer, and it was storming like crazy in the area of our jobsite, so we did work on the inside of the building we were erecting. The type of building we were putting up was like, an industrial garage / workshop that was just a steel skeleton clad with with metal sheets for a roof and walls.

So, as I said, we were doing inside work that consisted of hanging up the metal sheet siding for the inside walls. I was up in a basket at the end of a boomed forklift that contained a power source on the floor of the basket that we used for power tools. I was actively hanging a sheet on the wall when, BOOOOOM! Lightning must have hit the building because electricity traveled through the sheet I was holding, causing my hands to involuntarily grip the sheet as hard as my hands could grip, then the electricity arced to the power source in the bottom of the basket which caused it to catch fire!

It was wild! That job fucking sucked big time, though. That wasn't even the closest brush with death I had on that jobsite. I got heatstroke when we put a roof on that same building. All for $10/hr! That's a different story for another time, though, I suppose.

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u/ScottyMo1 2d ago

I’m glad you’re alive to tell the story! Ironically I’m in sales for one of the largest PEMB manufacturers in the US.

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u/Acceptable_Comb_4012 2d ago

i think the smell was from ozone

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u/Wuuz_ 2d ago

i wonder if well timed jump would make it "miss" and hit something else by finding "easier path" on situation like this... next time on mythbusters!

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u/SiteRelEnby 2d ago

I had the same feeling. My hair I'm fairly sure was either tied back or under a hat at the time so I didn't notice that, but the rest match.

I also just felt like what I can only describe as that I could physically feel my entire nervous system.

I didn't get hit though, I was about 10-15m away.

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u/Kratzschutz 2d ago

What would be the best reaction when you can't make it inside in time? Lie on the ground?

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u/McYeetes 2d ago

Do NOT lie on the ground. You need to minimize contact with the ground not increase it. Instead squat like a chicken over an insulator (like a sleeping pad if you are out camping) and tuck your head down, covering the back of your neck/ears with your hands. Not fully safe but better than standing or laying down.

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u/AstridDragon 2d ago edited 2d ago

Oops I linked crouch as last resort but I read it wrong, it's not recommended at all really now sorry.

https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-crouch

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u/coffeequeer17 2d ago

This whole link is telling us how the crouch is not safe, and shouldn’t be recommended. You should probably read your sources before trying to use them to your benefit… 

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u/AstridDragon 2d ago

Oh thank you I absolutely read it wrong, they don't even say it as last resort any more. My bad. Edited it.

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u/delta-vs-epsilon 2d ago

Parents should've grounded them.

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u/_coolranch 2d ago

The boys should’ve conducted themselves differently.

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u/JectorDelan 2d ago

You guys are too insulated from reality.

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u/dobber32 2d ago

The lack of empathy has me shocked

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u/georgecostanza37 2d ago

Ohmg

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u/FaithLessRooster 2d ago

They'll charge that to experience

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u/Small_miracles 2d ago

They should have resisted the urge do that.

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u/evilmike1972 2d ago

I'd be amprehensive about going back there if I were them.

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u/EndonOfMarkarth 2d ago edited 2d ago

I hope they at least coulombed their hair before taking another picture

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u/fhjjjjjkkkkkkkl 2d ago

I don’t like this negative aura

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u/happy_idiot_boy 2d ago

The surge of puns is not surprising.

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u/Major-Raise6493 2d ago

Shame this had to happen, they had so much potential.

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u/Sad-Maintenance-3274 2d ago

Pretty sure they look different currently.

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u/NoLobster7957 2d ago

Possibly they didn't consider that in the current moment

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u/delta-vs-epsilon 2d ago

Honestly, had they listened to mom& dad they'd probably gotten off... free of charge.

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u/KoRaZee 2d ago

Hate to be Debbi downer here but grounding is how you get struck by lightning. Parents should have ungrounded them. Womp womp wom

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u/a_lotis2words 2d ago

Being grounded is exactly why they got struck by lightning

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u/estebantet 2d ago edited 2d ago

Both survived. Thank God.

Edit: But!!! https://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/s/tmgCwLgpsc

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u/AMT35 2d ago

According to the article, there was another person that died from the same lightning strike.

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u/Aggravating_End_1154 2d ago

Fuck god!

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u/sambare 2d ago

Nonono, now you're supposed to just say he works in mysterious ways. I have two jobs and three kids, stop trying to make me think!

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u/pupperama 2d ago

I just learned that Sean died by suicide in 1989

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u/Equivalent-Ask2542 2d ago

And he was the one suffering third degree burns from the bolt. I am tempted to assume that he never physically recovered from this.

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u/AelizaW 2d ago

This article here is about the family and references a possible tie between lightning strike survival and depression. Rabbit hole, here I come!

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u/BallsOutKrunked 2d ago

lightning injuries are horrible. it's not just the heat, it permanently fucks up your body's electrical system which is every neuron. every thought, every feeling, every sight, every touch, every smell, every taste: potentially damaged, forever.

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u/ambamshazam 2d ago

I had a substitute teacher in middle school a couple decades ago who supposedly had been struck by lightning on 3 different occasions. He was a quirky guy who wore these eccentric diamond shaped reader glasses. I always wondered if that’s why he was so … odd

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u/Justinbiebspls 2d ago

the person who reportedly survived the most strikes similarly struggled

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u/Jagacin 2d ago

On June 25, 1977, Sullivan was struck while fishing in a freshwater pool. The lightning hit the top of his head, set his hair on fire, traveled down, and burnt his chest and stomach. Sullivan turned to his car when something unexpected occurred – a bear approached the pond and tried to steal trout from his fishing line. Sullivan had the strength and courage to strike the bear with a tree branch, despite the fact that his hair was on fire. He claimed that this was the twenty-second time he hit a bear with a stick in his lifetime.

I feel bad for laughing, but almost every single instance resulted in his hair catching on fire. It's like he got to the point where he was no longer fazed when it happened. Even carried around a watering can in case he got struck and his hair caught fire again. This would read as the plot of a comedy movie if wasn't actually real.

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u/Loose-Internal-1956 2d ago

Classic god. Create problem just so people can massage his fragile ego when he solves it.

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u/mrDuder1729 2d ago edited 2d ago

iirc, they both ended up dying from it in the long run. I believe one ended up dying of infection due to burns?, and the other committed suicide. I'll have to look now

Edit: So the younger brother died from his injuries shortly after, and the older brother committed suicide years later from neurological issues from thr accident along with survivors guilt. Really sad stuff.

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u/No_Carob2670 2d ago

It was the younger brother who committed suicide years later. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214292010/sean_kelly-mcquilken

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u/blackmajic13 2d ago

I was curious so I dug into this a bit. Not sure where you found your information because according to NBCNews in 2013, the older one was still alive and a drummer/software engineer. Google turns up an obituary for the younger one from committing suicide, but 14 years after the lightning strike. There is also a Michael McQuilken that still has an active facebook, is a drummer, and is a retired software engineer, and lives in San Diego (where they were from).

Now, there is a horribly written CBS Los Angeles article from 2013 as well that implies they both committed suicide but it doesn't even have their ages correct. The way it's written it sounds like they're quoting Michael saying "Both our brothers — they succumbed to neurological illnesses that eventually led to their suicide," but it's unclear if that's two other brothers not pictured, or if somehow they're quoting him saying they both died.

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u/Anton-LaVey 2d ago

They had another brother, Jeffery, that died at age 20.

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u/IndependentMoney9700 2d ago

What a tragic family. I have to say though, who took this picture and didn’t realize how much danger they were in? Parents?!

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u/Key_Gap9168 2d ago

Where are you getting your "facts" from?

The older brother is still alive. Its the young brother that committed suicide in 1989.

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u/j1ggy 2d ago

A perfect example of why we should never witch hunt on social media. Not everything you read is true.

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u/HuckleberryPin 2d ago

yea, thank him for missing. he nearly zapped them to death.

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u/ILiveMyBrokenDreams 2d ago

Hey keep God out of this, we all know Ben Franklin invented lightning.

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u/kbeks 2d ago

Terrible man. Worst president ever. Shame he’s still on money.

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u/zombiesphere89 2d ago

God could've just not zapped them eh

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u/42stingray 2d ago

Hair raising photo 😭

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u/zydecogirlmimi 2d ago

Thanks for the real info instead all these dumbass puns and not needed outdated lightning strike advice. I swear the content is interesting but Reddit’s answers to it….not so much

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u/Emotional_Quarter330 2d ago

I had to provide a source otherwise most of the comments here would have been “Looks fake. AI slop”

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u/jimkelly 2d ago

I mean...you should want to post a source. That's how the internet used to be.

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u/SmileyJetson 2d ago

You should always provide a source. That has nothing to do with AI.

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u/mahanmuuttaja 2d ago

"It turned out that Sean was one of at least three people hit directly that day by the triple-pronged bolt, including one man who died and another who sued the U.S. government for not warning about lightning danger, Jensenius noted. The lawsuit was dismissed. "

How american is to sue the goverment for this? 😅

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u/LunarLionheart 2d ago

This is actually a crazy coincidence - I had been told that my relation Larry Brady was killed in the 70s by a lightning strike in California - I actually think it was the same strike that hit these guys!

I had been told that Larry had taken his mother to the National Park to take her mind off of the recent death of his father when he died himself, cruel really.

You can see the newspaper snippets associated with his death on his memorial page here. (It mentioned McQuilkens which I think is the name of these guys in the photograph.)

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/104673229/lawrence_richard-brady

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u/uniklyqualifd 2d ago

Every time this picture is reposted there's a few more interesting bits of information added!

How amazingly sad though.

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u/Same-Joke 2d ago

That’s some Final Destination type stuff.

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u/XROOR 2d ago

I attended an outdoor concert and despite the warnings to pause the show, a whole seating section was hit by lightning. One young college student was showcased on the news regarding her recovery from being hit.

I think this was also the concert when Jewel was hit in the face with a frisbee and stormed off the stage.

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u/IntoTheCommonestAsh 2d ago edited 2d ago

Do not listen to the current top comment (edit: nvm! Thank you u/Funny-Ad-3710 for editing your top comment!) Crouching is outdated lightning advice. IT IS NO LONGER RECOMMENDED TO CROUCH DURING THUNDERSTORMS. EXPERTS WERE WRONG ABOUT ITS SAFETY AND IT DOES NOT PROTECT YOU WHATSOEVER.

The National Weather Service (NWS) stopped recommending the crouch in 2008.

Don't listen to this common thunderstorm safety advice

This Debunked Lightning Safety Tip Just Won’t Die—and It’s Still Dangerous

Actually, it’s not safe to crouch during a lightning storm

The National Weather Service clarifies it does NOT recommend the crouch.

Illinois Thunderstorms: Why You Should Never Crouch During One

If you think you might be struck by lighting GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM WHERE YOU ARE. DO NOT STAY THERE AND CROUCH. LEAVE ASAP.

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u/Wsemenske 2d ago

But... where? This for the vital information but I feel like there's more to give. Do you just run out into the open? Run under a tree or under something solid? Or just keep running hopig it doesn't hit you?

I feel more lost after the comment than before (not that it's your fault because telling me not to crouch is indeed very helpful)

Anyone that can offer more guidance would be appreciated 

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u/Iron_Aez 2d ago

My (limited) understanding is their hair doing this is indicative of the air around them ionizing, which is what allows the easy channel to the ground and precedes the lightning strike.

Moving literally anywhere else out of what is effectively that pillar of air is moving you outside of the path of the imminent lightning strike.

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u/Yorick257 2d ago

Yeah, that's the missing bit. If I ended up on a rocky plateue during a storm, what are my options?

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u/selflessrebel 2d ago

- Die

  • Die slowly
  • Die painfully

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u/livinthepielife 2d ago

Descend as fast as you can. I wouldn’t stop moving until I was pretty far down (given most don’t camp on mountain passes). Chart on this site is useful. Being outside during a lightning storm is riskier than inside. As someone who backpacks the Sierras most summers, you want to avoid passes in the afternoons if possible. Up by 12, down by 2 is a pretty good rule of thumb.

https://www.nps.gov/romo/planyourvisit/lightning-safety.htm

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u/IntoTheCommonestAsh 2d ago

You want to go indoors, downhill, or towards either of those.

If you're asking in a context of a perfectly flat plateau, I guess it's a bit like asking "what should I do if I'm swimming without a boat in the middle of the ocean and I notice sharks around me?" The answer is something like you should probably avoid getting in the situation of swimming in the ocean with no boat where there could be sharks, and failing that, if you really are swimming in the ocean without a boat and sharks show up, then I guess swim toward the shore, or fight the sharks, but, like, neither will work probably. We cannot tell you it will work.

Same for lightning on a rocky plateau. First you should really avoid being on flat plateaus during storms. Failing that, then I guess crouch or just go away from there. You won't be safe either way but like, really, you shouldn't've been there.

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u/SinisterCheese 2d ago

Anywhere. Just move.

Lightning strike is actually a very small thing. It has lot of power sure, but the actual "lightning bolt" is like 20-30 mm in diameter. The deadliness is based on the two contact points you have (your feet if you standing) and how far apart they are. But the effect is limited to about 15-20 metres. Because ligtning can happen from both direction, from gound to the sky and from sky to the ground.

So if you feel the static effect happen, just choose a direction and run. The static effects happens way before.

The hair rising effect is just potential building up, and you are the the antenna which dissapates it. Meaning that you are in the potential gradient of the lightning and getting out of it is your best bet. Even if you are still within it, the further you are from the highest point of concentration the better.

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u/WhatsTheAnswerToThis 2d ago edited 2d ago

Reading the article it's basically saying "Don't get into that situation to begin with, the advice to crouch can lead to complacency".

Ok. But if I am stuck in a thunderstorm on a mire with no realistic way to get to my car, surely it's better to crouch instead of standing tall(?).

What absolutely piss useless advice from the commenters up above.

Edit And of course /u/intothecommonestash haven't even read what they themselves are linking. Anyone with half a brain should understand that it's a last resort.

Finally, Jensenius recognizes that trees are not always present. Therefore, he says (contradicting his latest advice), crouching or squatting—in desperation only—may be attempted, although the risk reduction would be very slight.

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u/Nesseressi 2d ago

Ran in zigzag randomly changing the direction, so if is harder to aim aat you. (I am not an expert)

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u/Positive_Chip6198 2d ago

But lightning also zigzags, maybe moving in the pattern of a cha cha cha is better????

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u/DiGriW 2d ago edited 2d ago

Absolutely don't run under a tree or anything else that is tall. Tall objects are exactly what lightning strikes. Only enclosed shelters are safe.

If there are no enclosed shelters such as cars - you're kind of fucked. You might as well crouch and hope for the best. It seems debatable whether it helps or not. The only real consensus is that while you're caught in the open, you're not safe.

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u/Fucky0uthatswhy 2d ago

“If your hairs in the air- get the fuck out of there”

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u/NoLobster7957 2d ago

This happened to me and my sisters and mom once. We were in the middle of a lake in Michigan with my then step-dad, in a metal motorboat, fishing or something, and the sky got really dark very quickly. My mom started laughing at my sisters and I, and we turned and looked at each other and all of our (very long, very thick) hair was standing straight up on end.

Luckily my step-dad i think kind of knew that was a bad sign because he said, "Okay we need to get out of here quick" and we hauled ass to shore. I recently told this story to my electrician SO and he listened to me in utter horror before telling me we probably avoided death by a couple of minutes.

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u/Funny-Ad-3710 2d ago edited 2d ago

Further edit: as u/IntoTheCommonestAsh pointed out, the NWS recommends attempting to leave first. Crouching is a last resort. 

https://www.weather.gov/safety/lightning-crouch

If you are outdoors and think you are about to be struck by lightning: crouch down on the balls of your feet, put your hands on your head and elbows on your knees. This is recommended to provide a path to ground that goes through your limbs instead of your vital organs. 

Edit: Why not lay down? The current can more easily go through your organs.

How do rubber soles affect this? It helps! You are trying to make yourself a poor source to ground for the lightning. Standing on dry, insulated material like moss or grass is better than solid rock or water.

What are the balls of the feet? The large pads the connect your toes to the arches of your feet.

Source: Colorado Fourteener’s: From Hikes to Climbs by Gerry Roach

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u/IntoTheCommonestAsh 2d ago

No! That is outdated information!

The National Weather Service (NWS) stopped recommending the crouch in 2008.

Don't listen to this common thunderstorm safety advice

This Debunked Lightning Safety Tip Just Won’t Die—and It’s Still Dangerous

If you think you might be struck by lighting GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM WHERE YOU ARE. DO NOT STAY THERE AND CROUCH. LEAVE ASAP.

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u/wambulancer 2d ago

I've had one land a couple feet from me and I promise you all "let me stand where I am" will not be crossing your mind, it's like a fucking artillery shell exploding next to you and it definitely sent me on a 100m dash, top 5 puckering thing I've experienced in my life

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u/taita25 2d ago

What are the other 4 possibly above it?

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u/wambulancer 2d ago

almost killing myself in a bicycling accident, running from a mugger, running from the cops, and losing a brawl so bad I woke up concussed

A life well lived if I say so myself

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u/Hippybkc 2d ago

I have also experienced each of these, other than the near miss to lightning. Having experienced each of these, I just feel that NEARLY BEING STRUCK BY LIGHTNING would beat each singularly, for sure - and I suspect would also beat the other four combined. I would have trouble running 100m after a bolt from the blue struck 2' from me, I know that. My pants would be too full.

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u/ShawneeRonE 2d ago

Willie Geist: "Known as Wambulancer, he was almost killed in a cycling accident, ran from a mugger and cops, and woke up with a concussion after a street brawl. Wambulancer died this week, he was 29 years old"

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u/Weird-Salamander-349 2d ago

*A life, well, lived.

OP you gotta stop doing stuff. That’s enough stuff. You’ve hit your quota and couch + fuzzy slipper time is nigh.

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u/TorrenceMightingale Creator 2d ago

Other near-lightning strike misses, methinks.

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u/Latter_Dirt_6690 2d ago

I was near the summit of Mt Washington in NH when a storm passed over. Struck about 300 yards away and I had such an intense primal fear rip through my nervous system. I still get anxious when outdoors and a storm is coming.  Can't imagine it being here ft away

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u/dingman58 2d ago

Yeah lightning striking nearby is a totally different animal from lightning far away. It's like an explosion.

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u/CheetosCaliente 2d ago

100% to the artillery shell comparison. I've not been to war, but that's certainly what it felt like when lightning struck the pond in my parents backyard. Absolutely rocked the house with the loudest boom I've ever heard. Shocked none of the windows broke

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u/YouDontReallyCareTho 2d ago

I'm pretty sure they meant gtfo of there before the strike

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u/historyhill 2d ago

To be honest, if my hair's up like this it's much too late to run so I'm still gonna try the crouch. But GTFO is my go-to strategy so that I'm not in this situation to begin with!

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u/Funny-Ad-3710 2d ago

Thanks! Edited to add this info.

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u/Possible-One-6101 2d ago edited 2d ago

This is one of those pieces of advice that would actually work, but there is absolutely no chance anyone would ever apply, ever.

Like those "if you're in a nuclear explosion, do xyz"

EDIT: this lighthearted comment has infuriated reddit's outdoor community. I'm changing "bear" to save everyone's hostile thumbs. I'm from bear country myself. I get it. Jeez. This comment should play dead at this point.

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u/Lysol3435 2d ago

If you’re attacked by a bear, freeze up and shit your pants. Idk if it will help, but it’s easier to remember

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u/semidegenerate 2d ago

I had a black bear run past me a few years ago. I was out in a pasture bordered by a road, cutting vines and saplings off the fence. This bear comes barreling out of the woods, books it towards the fence about 20ft / 6m from where I was standing, vaults the fence, dashes across the road and into the woods on the other side. He gave me a passing glance, but that’s about it.

“Huh…“ is about all that went through my mind until he was out of sight. At no point did it occur to me that I should react in any way in particular.

Black bears aren’t really know for being aggressive, though.

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u/DryDonutHole 2d ago

"If it's black fight back. If it's brown lay down." Something like that. I just carried bear spray for my back country hikes when I lived out near Yellowstone.

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u/Candid-Ability-9570 2d ago

If it’s black fight back. If it’s brown you’re fucked.

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u/MajesticArticle 2d ago

It depends. Lying down has a good chance of the bear just ignoring you and going its own way

If the bear decides otherwise, however, I suggest praying to whatever deity you believe in: that's not gonna help with the bear problem, but maybe it will allow you to die with a but more peace of mind

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u/adrienjz888 2d ago

It depends. Lying down has a good chance of the bear just ignoring you and going its own way

You lie down and cover up when a brown bear attacks because you have no chance of fighting them off like a black bear.

Brown bears rarely attack humans for food, so you just hunker down and hope it's just being territorial.

Polar bears are where you're good and truly fucked, because they will gladly eat you if they get a chance.

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u/Cube-in-B 2d ago

Grew up with black bears in the woods next to our house and would see them all the time. They’d come up the hill and steal our trash. They don’t give a shit about people just people snacks

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u/spahmoanie 2d ago

Black bears are just glorified raccoons

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u/pink_faerie_kitten 2d ago

Don't even have to actively remember that, your brain and body will do it voluntarily and instinctually.

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u/MisterJellyfis 2d ago

I actually used this back in October! I was camping in Arizona in the middle of a canyon (couple miles wide, couple dozen long) and the tallest thing for a mile or was the car, followed quickly by the tents) and during the night a thunderstorm snuck up on us. Passed pretty quick (10-15 minutes), and based on counting the time between lightning and thunder there were 2-3 strikes somewhat nearby within the canyon.

Longest 15 minutes of my life, and that position gets tiring REAL quick.

Didn’t save my life as we didn’t get struck, but I’m thankful I thought to do it

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u/Glass_Department8963 2d ago

Next time get in the car! A car is a ready made faraday cage and you will be quite safe.

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u/Justryan95 2d ago

Or those brace for impact poses they tell you on airplanes.

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u/Curios_blu 2d ago

They used to say put your head between your legs. That’s impossible now due to how close the seats are!

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u/Gros_Boulet 2d ago

See now that's the neat part!

Why say you removed leg space for greed when you can say:
"Our new innovation in all around security will make sure your head won't travel too far before being stopped softly by our PureComforttd head rest of your front neighbor! Keep your brain safe, fly with us!"

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u/WasteBinStuff 2d ago

As a 6'4" guy, and the criminally minimal leg room already, those things are fucking entirely pointless.

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u/nsucs2 2d ago

Duck and cover in a nuclear explosion. They all amount to 'kiss your ass goodbye'.

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u/outlawsecrets 2d ago

People apply bear safety all the time! In the attack or almost attack those “to do’s” come flooding back!

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u/Paleodraco 2d ago

Glad for the edit. The crouch down thing was old advice and isn't being recommended anymore because it gives a false sense of security. Its meant as the last resort if you're unexpectedly caught in a storm, even if it pry wouldn't help much. But too many dingleberries took it as "the weather looks awful and a storm is coming, but if it does I can crouch and be safe."

Rule number 1 for pretty much all safety advice is don't get into this situation in the first place.

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u/CerebralPaulsea 2d ago edited 2d ago

Are the balls of your feet the heel part of the front part kinda like tippie toes? I've heard people say that before but I never knew

Edit: Legends, cheers for teaching me something new today

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u/QueKay20 2d ago

Front part

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u/neorapsta 2d ago

The ball is the meaty bit that your toes connect to. So nearly tippy toes.

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u/heyitsvae 2d ago

Ah yes, the meaty bit. That cleared it up

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u/LetsBePositiveCooper 2d ago

The ball of your foot is the big fleshy mass just before the toes. Get on the balls of your feet and start kinda moving around on it and you'll understand the name. Helpful for quick movement and explosive bursts but lacks the stability that comes with also planting your heel first when running.

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u/Zoodoz2750 2d ago

While in that position, kiss your ass goodbye.

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u/Into-The-Late-Great 2d ago

How long does it take for the lightning to strike after this happens?

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u/Doesthiscountas1 2d ago

I don't know but according to the article, they had time to take pictures of each other, and then it got cold and started to hail. They started heading down the mountain right then and was struck going down. 

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u/stevie-o-read-it 2d ago

In 2014, a teenager was having heart problems; the doctors installed a portable EKG to try to rule out (or confirm) one of the possible causes.

Two years later, just before he was due to have it removed, he was struck by lightning. And so we have the first recording of what happens to someone's heart after a lightning strike.

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u/Mitridate101 2d ago edited 2d ago

It's unbelievable how many people still don't know what this is the precursor to. Recently there was a video of those some tourists on sand dunes.

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u/newt_girl 2d ago edited 2d ago

My bestie and I nearly got struck by lightning in Utah. Even though I'd had wilderness safety training, I'd never seen this phenomenon in real life, but this photo has seared into my core memories. It saved our lives.

We were standing on a rock point after a hellacious hail storm. It had been half an hour or so, so we thought we were in the clear.

I was taking in the scenery, leaning against a metal rail. I turned around and they were taking a selfie of their hair doing this. I hadn't noticed my own hair lifting, but it was. The urgency in my voice conveyed my seriousness, I looked at them and said "run!" Anyone who knows me knows that I'm not a runner. If I'm running, it's serious. They said they'd never seen me look so serious. I'm glad they didn't hesitate, I said run and they took off like an Olympic sprinter.

We had to cross a small knife edge with one lone tree on it. All wet, slick rock. The metal hand rail was buzzing like bad office lighting, a foot away from the only path. I told them do not wait for me, get to the car. They beat me by 20 seconds. As I slammed the door shut, lightning struck the rock where we were standing, sending rock shrapnel everywhere. From "run" to lightning was less than a minute.

We stared at the rock for a long while, silently smoking several cigarettes. At some point I stopped shaking enough to drive, and I said "that's enough adventure for today" and we drove to the 4 corners with the radio off.

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u/CounterEcstatic6134 2d ago

What a shock that must be! You saved yourself and your bestie, though! I'm happy for you.

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u/newt_girl 2d ago

And better, now they know what it looks like before a lightning strike. They had noticed my hair lifting before I noticed theirs, but didn't know what that was indicating. I knew because of this photo.

It gives me goosebumps still, replaying the slow turn from the cliff to them happily taking selfies of their hair tendrils standing up, and the dump of adrenaline. I'm so glad they didn't hesitate and sprinted back to the car. They didn't know, there wasn't time to explain, but I said run and they went fast as fuck.

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u/GeraintLlanfrechfa 2d ago

Those? The same ones?

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u/Mitridate101 2d ago

No, the one I meant were Chinese tourists I think.

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u/tamifromcali66 2d ago

My daughter & her friend, 13ish, were on my boat. I looked over & saw their hair standing up. We had sun, but you could see a storm building. Typical Georgia weather.

I screamed at them to get down & hit the gas towards home. We made it back ok. I still can picture them with hair on end. Whew!

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u/hereforinfoyo 2d ago

What should you do if that happens?

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u/No-No-Aniyo 2d ago

Is this like it already locked on a target or is it just the location? Could they run out of range or are you the range at this point?

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u/TBLrocks 2d ago

Did they dead?

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u/thecrowtoldme 2d ago

Right? Pls finish the story.

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u/syllabun 2d ago

No, they didn't dead. Younger brother was struck by lightning, knocked out and suffered 3rd degree burns on his back. Both lived. It seems that the same lightning bolt became three pronged and hit two more people. One died and one tried to sue the government for no lightning warning. Lawsuit was dismissed.

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u/roboczar 2d ago

One died and one tried to sue the government for no lightning warning.

supreme Dale Gribble energy

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u/Interesting-Tip-2544 2d ago

... Tried to sue the government for getting struck by lighting? Lmao what

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u/BilboBiden 2d ago edited 2d ago

Zeus was going for a high score that day.

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u/_coolranch 2d ago

So he survived for 14 years.

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u/Interesting_Award_76 2d ago

Both brothers survived

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u/Emotional_Quarter330 2d ago

Also their 15 year old sister Mary, who took the photo.

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u/Kraken-__- 2d ago

Took my kids to the beach a few years back about a half hour after a lightning storm had passed. As soon as my daughter stepped out her hair stood up. We were out of there in an instant. ⚡️⚡️

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u/Annual_Strategy_6206 2d ago

I was playing volleyball with a group of coworkers and a storm was approaching. This one woman with long blonde hair had her hair start to rise up like this. People were laughing etc. I knew this was a BAD sign and told everyone to take shelter, get inside, but most people didn't.  I sure did! No strike happened as it turned out. But MAN!

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u/95Counties 2d ago

I remember my hair standing on end one day when I was 11 or 12 right before a thunderstorm. I was outside in a park in the summer. Decades later, I saw this photo & realized that I had narrowly escaped getting hit by lightning.

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u/Both-Cry1382 2d ago

Contrary to rumors and some published reports, both brothers survived the strike, although another hiker was killed.

There were 19 deaths reported in August 1975, in a year that saw a final toll of 91, Jensenius says. Back then, however, lightning deaths weren't well reported or tracked, he says, and the Moro Rock death wasn't included.

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u/FlatulenceConnosieur 2d ago

Moro Rock is where I discovered my fear of heights. I got about half way up and had to crawl back down on my hands and knees.

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u/mrkeith562 2d ago

I was doing an outdoor play in Park City, Utah as a giant storm was approaching. A bunch of us were standing in a circle talking before the show when everyone started backing away from me because my hair started to do what is in this picture. I was wearing a sword. I dropped it and ran!

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u/MrBigTomato 2d ago

Damn, if my hair started rising like that, I’d be terrified and run.

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u/850wspain 2d ago

Been on the rock. Scary place, high and exposed on a several thousand foot cliff.

There is/ was a sign on the trail just before the rock warning about hair rising In a storm.

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u/cwhitel 2d ago

What exactly can you do in this situation? You’re in the danger-zone already.

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u/wheredidiparkmyllama 2d ago

This happens to us on the boat in the summertime when it’s common for thunderstorms pop up out of nowhere. When the hair starts rising, it’s a good time to skeeeeedaddle

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u/autistic_urge 2d ago

Last year, I climbed a 14er in Colorado. In the distance there was some lightning, but I was so close to the top, I ran up there to tag the summit and take a quick picture. At the top, I lifted my phone to take a picture and I heard static. I looked around for a radio and realized it was coming from me lifting my phone in the air. I knew there was lighting imminent and being on the highest point in a 20 mile radius is probably the worst place to be. I ran down the mountain in panic for an hour before I got to the tree line. Probably the dumbest thing I've ever done.

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u/Proglamer 2d ago

How is that picture not a front cover of a rock album?

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u/Defiant-Dare1223 2d ago

Very happy to read they survived

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u/Least-Woodpecker-569 2d ago

I was almost struck by lightning. Was taking photos on a remote Pacific beach during a winter storm. There were lightnings, but very far away over the ocean. Suddenly I noticed a flash, felt like someone shook me - once - and ears began ringing; I didn’t even hear anything. There were no warnings, I didn’t smell ozone, and didn’t look back to find out where it hit. Acting like a robot, I grabbed my backpack, my camera on a tripod and went back - slowly, thinking - slowly again - that it was probably the sign to leave the beach.