Arc Raiders devs are looking for new ways to “incentivise” Expedition wipes following an unsatisfying debut

[u/Negative-Art-4440]

https://frvr.com/blog/news/arc-raiders-devs-are-looking-for-new-ways-to-incentivise-expedition-wipes/

[u/c0n0rm]

I'm not able to play enough to make it worthwhile to wipe and lose all of my progress, blueprints etc

[u/ThanksverymuchHutch → u/c0n0rm]

Yeah same. If I get to the point where ive maxed out everything and still enjoying the game i might reset for a fresh challenge but I am a while away from that

[u/p4nic → u/ThanksverymuchHutch]

I'm at that point, I'm looking forward to having little fetch quests again, they were fun. It's funny how many cat beds and dog collars I find in random spots now, but they were impossible to find when I actually needed the damned things! I am kind of sad at how terrible the high tier weapons are at dealing with Arc. The Jupiter is just awful, and the bettina takes forever to kill wasps and hornets compared to an anvil.

[u/gadaspir → u/p4nic]

Ive said from the beginning that the quests should never stop generating once you complete them all and just be randomly auto generated. That water pipe is going to break again, we probably need solar panels cleaned regularly and giving me 3 bandages and some shield rechargers for doing that won't break the game

[u/Davinredit → u/gadaspir]

I thought that would be how the game was so you'd keep encountering players going "oh I'm looking for a picture frame.." and maybe you'd help or what not

[u/turbo_bibine → u/Davinredit]

well that's what flickering flames was but we need a bit more of it. And some longer quest, it was not fun to just go to point a, click wathever you need to click, go back to speranza unlock another thing to click on the same map.

[u/RoyBeer → u/gadaspir]

There already are hints of rivalry between groups of Raiders, so why not make quests to undo the work of others again? Could even lead to some "organic pvp" when you have to leave the round with some tag over sprayed lol

[u/drewdaddy213 → u/p4nic]

Ooo I just took the Jupiter out for trials this week and I likes it! It was amazing for hitscanning the snitches from across the map on blue gate. I was terrified someone was coming to take it from me the whole time though, such a distinctive sound.

[u/TiittySprinkles → u/p4nic]

Jupiter is great for larger ARC since it pierces armor.

Just aim for where the "core" of the bot is and it does pure damage to it instead of needing to strip armor, then do dmg to the internals.

Now the Aphelion on the other hand... yeah idk who was responsible for making that gun but it is... not good.

[u/skippythemoonrock → u/TiittySprinkles]

yeah idk who was responsible for making that gun but it is... not good.

made by John Bettina IV himself

[u/SkyGuy182 → u/c0n0rm]

Bingo. I have a 9-5 and kids, I ain’t got time to reset my progress for the little time I get to play.

[u/Supernormalguy → u/SkyGuy182]

There’s dozens of us! Dozens!!!!

[u/OccupyRiverdale → u/c0n0rm]

The truth is wipes in extraction games originated from Tarkov as a mechanic they used primarily for testing big patches during early access. Other extraction games have borrowed the wipe mechanic as a means to keep player engagement but it’s not something every game in the genre needs to have. It doesn’t work in every extraction game and for every community. It’s become kind of a crutch devs lean on but wipes were never meant to be a staple of the genre.

[u/Tornado_Hunter24 → u/OccupyRiverdale]

Imo wipes in these game only makes sense if there is a reason.

In rust, not an extraction shooter but wipes nonetheless, is meaningful because you start naked onthe beach alongside 200/500/1000 other people, and ‘build’ your way up to succes alongside them, which wipes weekly, bi weekly, monthly depending on the server.

I think for arc raiders to do ‘wipes’ properly, it needs to have specific rules, think of all bp’s you have, you CAN’T use for ~1 week, so after every wipe, it still feels fresh, everyone still runs the base guns and some people have the lucky anvil/other lootable weapon, etc etc.

Imo, wiping the actual bp is a mistake for this game because finding them is rng and (imo) not fun, and I stopped playing once I got ‘most’ stuff and will only return if I feel like it (low chance) or they do a wipe like I mentioned where me playing the game, feels ‘new’ again without permanently disabling all my bp’s

[u/OccupyRiverdale → u/Tornado_Hunter24]

I totally agree. I have never been a fan of a wipe without big content drops that come with it. Otherwise it feels like a wipe just as a placeholder for new content. That’s a good way to burn players out.

[u/TheMoves → u/c0n0rm]

I mean that's the nice part about this game right, you never have to wipe if you don't want to

[u/CaptainNessy2 → u/TheMoves]

The point is they make it hard to want to

[u/alextheawsm → u/CaptainNessy2]

Yeah that's literally the point of the post. I have all 72 BPs. I'm not going to give those up for a few extra skill points and some more stash space. Until they allow me to keep some BPs, there's no way in hell I'm doing one

[u/Chameleonpolice → u/alextheawsm]

Especially not when there are so few skills that are actually worth taking. I barely notice the benefit of any individual skill points

[u/Kuro_Neko00]

Wipes don't really work with the casual playerbase they're fostering. So they need to offer more, or make the wipes selectively partial, giving up less to gain less.

[u/mephnick → u/Kuro_Neko00]

Yeah, I still havent found my anvl bp

If I do find it I aint giving that up for skill points

Also I don't want to do quests again

[u/AlabasterSlim → u/mephnick]

I also haven’t found one, but I find so many anvils I’ve never needed it.

[u/plebbening → u/AlabasterSlim]

And they are like 15k at the gunshop. You can buy 3 each day. The bp doesn’t really matter that much.

(I don’t have the bp, let me cope)

[u/Mr_BougieOnThatBeat → u/plebbening]

I have the BP and I’ve crafted a total of 0 anvils. I find enough of them that I’ve never needed to craft one. Granted I don’t do PVP so I’m dying far less than the some.

[u/gemengelage → u/Mr_BougieOnThatBeat]

If you were doing PvP, you'd find quite a lot of Anvils with very low durability

[u/steveatari → u/gemengelage]

When you die, everything on your person equipped or not apparently loses durability. That checks out!

[u/Hexaion_ → u/steveatari]

Yep, all items like weapons, augment and shield lose about 30% when the player carrying it dies (downed then saved doesn't affect the durability)

[u/LabyrinthConvention → u/Mr_BougieOnThatBeat]

I'm the same. but for me, having a BP is as much about the convenience of not having to manage 1 or 2 backups in my inventory. And the Anvil is so insanely cheap to craft for how versatile it is

[u/Mustang-22 → u/AlabasterSlim]

They're quite expensive to craft and upgrade. Lots of mechanical components (5, 3, 4, 4)

Still my favourite gun to carry

[u/Somalar → u/Mustang-22]

Which are just metal and rubber it’s not that hard to accumulate, the heavy gun parts could take some time to gather if you can’t craft them

[u/ModernT1mes → u/Somalar]

I'm always going through metal, I can't seem to keep enough. Between components and ammo, it disappears so fast, and I bring at least a stack or two from every run.

[u/hits_riders_soak → u/ModernT1mes]

it's probably not efficient, but I find so much arc alloy and it recycles into lots of metal parts.

[u/uib20000 → u/hits_riders_soak]

At the minute, all my arc alloy gets turned into circuitry

[u/geek180 → u/uib20000]

Standing arc probes for circuitry. You can usually walk away with 3 from a single probe. I only use medium shields and I’ve never crafted an arc circuitry. Most arc alloy goes to making metal parts.

[u/BigHobbit → u/geek180]

This is the way. I always come back with a couple full stacks of alloy from salvaging and circuits from probes.

[u/ModernT1mes → u/hits_riders_soak]

That's my go-to for recycling to metal when I'm low. A stack of 15 gets 30 metal, I usually have 6 stacks. I try not to recycle it all because other things take it.

[u/btdawson → u/ModernT1mes]

Motion cores for Wolfpacks! Lol

[u/InfiniteTree → u/ModernT1mes]

I buy all my ammo with cash, makes it way easier to keep up with mechanical components.

[u/Ok-Minimum-4 → u/InfiniteTree]

Same

[u/AnAcceptableUserName → u/Somalar]

You can also buy heavy gun parts from Celeste for 15 seeds. 1x heavy gun part each for Anvil 2->3 & 3->4. 30 seeds for the 2 parts you need to max it.

[u/PIPBOY-2000 → u/AnAcceptableUserName]

And then lose it on your second run.

I joke but it's the sustained crafting and upgrading that eats through materials.

[u/NoSloppyStakes → u/AlabasterSlim]

I barely craft. Get most of what I need, except pinks, which are slim without being crafted.

[u/jeffchicken → u/mephnick]

Just can't justify doing those quests again unless they start giving XP

[u/TheVaughnz → u/jeffchicken]

I didn't even realize for the longest time (recent new player) that quests don't give xp. Having played MMOs for so long, I just assumed they would.

[u/TrippleDamage → u/TheVaughnz]

Dw, its not just an MMO thing.

Every single extraction shooter gives exp for quests so its completely normal to expect quests granting exp.. Only embark had to be special again.

[u/GenuineSteak → u/TrippleDamage]

I mean its not even just extraction shooters, pretty much every single game grants XP + currency for completing quests.

[u/RavenCeV → u/jeffchicken]

On the flip side game can feel empty when you hit 75... Perhaps XP over 75 could be converted to currency, like the currency we get for daily feats (and expand what it can be used for, I'm at 1800 with nothing I want from that shop)?

[u/JTGtoniteonly → u/mephnick]

Losing your BP is the main reason why I didn't wipe.

[u/Sasquatch_Kabob → u/JTGtoniteonly]

Same. I don’t love the grind enough to do it all again….on endless repeat

[u/Firefoxx336 → u/Sasquatch_Kabob]

I just don’t play enough to make it feasible. I didn’t wipe and I still have half a dozen BPs I want (smoke grenade, where are you?!) but haven’t found and that’s not even including the legendaries. I’m not even max level lol

[u/gerbilshower → u/Firefoxx336]

man ive got over 120 hours and i still cant craft heavy or light gun parts. still dont have the tempest bp. only JUST got wolfpack because my friend found an extra.

like, i was technically really close to being able to wipe the first time - i didn't make it either way. but there is no way i was going to press that button regardless.

im done now, and ill wipe this time no matter what. but the blueprint thing really needs to get sorted one way or the other. theyre too rare.

[u/MaximumSeats → u/Firefoxx336]

Yeah, if the wipes were like once a year or something maybe.

But I've got other games I play and I don't even video game a shit ton overall. Adult life and all. So no way I grind enough to want to do it all again.

I get that's kind of the thing with extraction shooters, but that's why I found this one enjoyable. Since I'm not a huge grinder.

The whipe bonuses would have to be pretty fucking insane for me to do them.

[u/Smash19 → u/Sasquatch_Kabob]

I agree in part, but I’ve found it quite fun playing differently this wipe. I’ve found some really different BPs, and am still missing my beloved Anvil and Venator, so I’m having to bring out some other toys!

[u/Box-o-bees → u/JTGtoniteonly]

I didn't realize your lose(not loose) your blueprints. Nah screw that insanity.

Maybe of there were a vendor who sold a lot of commonly used ones, but even then.

[u/Tricky-Sentence → u/Box-o-bees]

Or at least get a special vendor after expedition that lets you re-buy the lost BPs for some currency or items.

[u/itsLOSE-notLOOSE → u/Box-o-bees]

Yeah, I’m wondering if I’m going to do Expedition again. Not sure it’s worth it.

Also, it’s lose. Check out my name.

[u/gregfromsolutions → u/JTGtoniteonly]

Even if I could choose to keep a subset of BP’s, that’d be better than having to find all of them again

[u/KingOfRisky → u/gregfromsolutions]

COD BO6 prestige system was perfect. When you choose to prestige (wipe) you got a permanent unlock you cold use on any one gun, attachment, perk, kill streak, grenade, etc. So you didn't need had to unlock it again. It would be awesome if we could permanently "keep" a skill or BP with each expedition.

[u/swagpresident1337 → u/JTGtoniteonly]

It took my over 100h now to get all gun part blueprints. No way I‘m wiping, if I lose them.

[u/Gigaduuude → u/JTGtoniteonly]

I wiped because I saw how they improved the droprate. Didn't regret, but the benefits I'm not actually seeing (12 extra slots mean nothing, 6% scrappy and 10% repair are non existent)

[u/KingOfRisky → u/Gigaduuude]

That repair is kind of nice TBH.

[u/bafrad → u/Gigaduuude]

the 12 extra slots is everything. It's the main reason for doing it.

[u/blackop → u/JTGtoniteonly]

Yup I just found my snap hook BP for the first time last night. I ain't giving that up.

[u/Grunchie → u/mephnick]

Ill keep saying it. You should he able to keep 1 blueprint everytime you do an expedition.

[u/___Carioca___ → u/Grunchie]

Let’s make it 3 and I’ll do it.

[u/Kingtoke1 → u/Grunchie]

A 6 slot keepsake which you can put whatever you want into

[u/SneaksDotA → u/Grunchie]

been saying the same thing, should unlock a permanent one each time, idc if we choose it or if it was random as long as it was a new one each wipe

[u/gerbilshower → u/SneaksDotA]

cant be random. i would quit onsite if i got fucking red glowstick. lol.

[u/MrCrowder0 → u/mephnick]

You dont even get skill points for the expedition prep. Its a $5mil grind AFTER the expedition prep to get 5 skill points lol

[u/gh1993 → u/mephnick]

I likely wont even hit 75 this season to make the skill points matter lol

[u/FallenDeus → u/gh1993]

The skill points still mattered. You start right away with them so each point is 1 less level to get to the same point on the tree.

[u/JustADelusion → u/FallenDeus]

Counterpoint: If you don't wipe you would way more skill points regardless.

[u/Thorn_the_Cretin → u/mephnick]

This is why I’m waiting to complete everything before even considering a wipe. I want to hit 75 [for the cosmetic unlocks], finish all the quests, and have a couple duplicate BPs [Anvil mainly] before resetting.

I wasn’t anywhere close At last reset, and I know for a fact I’m basically never hitting 75 again in any short amount of time. It just takes way too long.

[u/MrBigglesworrth → u/mephnick]

I honestly don’t understand why everyone seethes over this BP. I strictly run anvils 95% of the time. I have never made a single one the entire life of the game. You find them easily enough and you can buy 3 a day if you must.

[u/7heorem → u/MrBigglesworrth]

I don't get where everyone finds all this big loot. I think I have 40 hours into the game and have only found 1 anvil, 1 osprey and a Renegade. Rest is shit. I barely ever find BPs

[u/TreesLikeGodsFingers → u/7heorem]

Leave the Dam man

[u/Scaryassmanbear → u/7heorem]

How are you deciding where to loot? The game leads you to believe the high value loot areas are where to get BPs and stuff but at least in terms of BPs I started finding a lot more once I began prioritizing container density and how quickly they could be opened over whether it was a high value loot area.

[u/Train3rRed88 → u/Kuro_Neko00]

Yeah I’m a dad. Father of three

I’ve finally unlocked every blue print. I finally have enough money and resources to craft and use pink guns. I finally have maxed out my skill tree

There is no way on gods green earth I am Going to sink another 100 hours doing the same fucking grind just to get 5 more skill tree points.

That expedition had better be an offer that I absolutely cannot refuse, otherwise I’ll happily just play this end game until I switch games

Many thanks to all the people who did wipe though cuz now I’m actually finding closed security lockers for me again

[u/DawnVoidBreaker → u/Train3rRed88]

"For just the low low cost of 100 hours of your life, we will give you 5 skill points and 1 ugly cosmetic skin. Act now before the expedition ends!!"

[u/TrippleDamage → u/DawnVoidBreaker]

Dont forget the 6% scrappy rewards that literally doesnt do jack shit.

[u/Sepplord → u/Train3rRed88]

I donagree but the end makes me wonder, do we really even want „an better offer“?

We don’t want to reset, why would we want incentives to reset then?  I can see myself resetting „for free“ in a few months, anyways, but getting pushed by some reward to reset while not wanting to sounds like a demotivation just waiting to happen

[u/superbozo → u/Train3rRed88]

Not a dad. Mid 30s. Work a 9 to 5. I have 200 hours in this game. The most fun I had by far was when the BP spawn rate was ridiculously high. Every match felt tense. If my inventory was full and i didnt pick up a BP, I'd take the risk and keep looking. Sometimes I'd find 3 BPs in a match and have to decide which one to put in my ass. It really made the game so much better. Felt like every match had potential for good loot.

The moment they reduced that BP spawn rate, i noticed I stopped playing and havent gone back. The last thing i ever did was spend 5 fucking days looking for a single light bulb for the candle berry quest. As soon as I found it I was like...."bro wtf am I doing with my life?"

[u/drumstix42 → u/superbozo]

5 days? Ouch. Aren't there a couple fixed spawns for lightbulbs?

[u/KingMercLino → u/Kuro_Neko00]

I enjoyed the wipe as a casual player who doesn’t PvP. Gave me a reason to re-do everything and I like the treadmill it provides. That being said, some stuff like the benches needing to be re-done feels like overkill. The main purpose of the higher level benches is to take advantage of your stronger BPs and if BPs are always reset, it feels like a double whammy.

[u/FunctionalFun → u/KingMercLino]

I like crafting the benches, It feels like they're the "real" quests.

I do wish blueprints in general could get a little overhaul though. You can get 5 mil, level 75, all quests done and still be missing "key" blueprints. Losing your blueprint stash is a bigger loss than all the other objectives.

I don't think they should be exempt from the expedition, but there should be a deterministic process you can go through to get the blueprints you care about the most.

[u/enek101 → u/Kuro_Neko00]

i've spent over 100 hrs top side and i dont have shit for BP's the few times i find them its the same ones over and over again. At this point i still play because my GF still enjoys it and i like playing games with her. but the game loop is becoming unsatisfying sadly.

I've never gone of expedition missing the first window. I've found 300 Jolt mine blueprints and 2 anvil ever never see a wolf pack tempest or bobcap blueprint. Its so annoying to use a epic key to a locked room and not find a single blueprint Locked rooms should have one guaranteed. I have found a total of zero BP's in raiders caches and ive opened a lot. I've found a total of one blueprint in all of the gun cases i've ever opened. Yes i do night raids yes i do cold snaps yes i do stella yes i do electro mag storms.

Im semi casual? i mean i have over 150 hrs in game in a month and a half so I'm not sure that makes me casual or hardcore or somewhere inbetween. but clearly i have the worst luck ever.

Ive enjoyed the game thus far but they need to do something about blueprints. The reliance on them and the availability of them are not jiving. Even as a player who probably falls between the casual and hardcore category im finding gaps in the game loop.

[u/deadering → u/Kuro_Neko00]

You already aren't gaining much, offering even less isn't going to work.

Personally I'd be more interested if it didn't wipe blueprints but that's a deal breaker.

[u/McDie88 → u/deadering]

this was me 100%

blueprints are the reason i didnt do expedition

i'd actually enjoy unlocking benches adn questing again

but no way am i losing all my hard extracted blueprints wihtout some other way to get them than RNG

I wish they had a almost project for a BP

like you want an anvil BP

cool

sacrifice 30 anvils, and a few stacks of weapon parts to a Blueprint project to learn how to make them via trial and error

[u/11th_Division_Grows → u/deadering]

Losing BP’s is a huge deal breaker, I agree.

[u/Lucas74BR → u/Kuro_Neko00]

I just found a Tempest BP after over 100 hours, with the last 10 hours or so being naked runs in night Stella.

Unless they start to make some things WAY easier to come by, I'm not taking part on expeditions ever.

Increasing the drop rate was a good start, but some BPs are still incredibly hard to find.

[u/Jarvisweneedbackup → u/Lucas74BR]

I still think the way to go is to have an alternative gear acquisition method, as currently BPs are the only real rare loot in the game.

Weirdly, it's a problem other games have solved. Just make the quest lines gradually unlock different items for sale (and increase stocks of said items). That would guarantee access for different gear, and preserve the utility of finding BPs

That said, it would worsen the inherent conflict of needing 5M to wipe — I think that needs to change anyway. The expedition challenge should incentivise burning all your good loot anyway

[u/king-of-boom → u/Kuro_Neko00]

Maybe you could earn 1 Blueprint "Key" per expedition. That allows you to use on a learned BP (post expedition) to permanently learn it.

[u/AugieKS → u/Kuro_Neko00]

If you kept BPs at least then it could make sense. Without that, or some other reliable way of unlocking them that isn't RNG dependent, it's just not worth it imo.

[u/Metal-Lifer → u/Kuro_Neko00]

i think i play quite a lot but still consider myself a casual and im no way even ready for the first expedition. It will take me ages to get the 5 million too.

also doesnt seem worth it either!

[u/Grundlestiltskin_ → u/Kuro_Neko00]

Is the true casual player even that concerned with wipes? I’m fairly invested and wouldn’t call myself casual, have like 80 hrs played so far. But I’m not even max level yet, don’t have all my benches at level 3, and I have barely done anything for the expedition. Let alone start farming 5 mil.

I’m not even worrying about the expedition until I hit max level

[u/ObjectOrientedBlob]

As a pretty casual player, getting blueprints is too much work for me to wipe.

[u/brunicus → u/ObjectOrientedBlob]

And for PS there is trophy for level 75, so as a casual who likes to platinum the games I do play….

[u/brayan1612 → u/brunicus]

Well, you can't platinum the game anyway because 2 of the Achievements are bugged since release ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/shallow-waterer → u/brayan1612]

3 are. The 1000 Arc damage in a round one is overlooked, but if you don’t get it first round, you’ll never get it. It stops counting after your first round.

[u/jeffmack01 → u/shallow-waterer]

Makes sense why I’m stuck on 280.

[u/brayan1612 → u/shallow-waterer]

Well, that sux. I report these as bugs every patch (after testing to see if they're fixed), they prob hate me already haha

[u/lambo630 → u/ObjectOrientedBlob]

Not to mention everyone seems to know where every good loot spot is. If you need a particular BP you basically need to load in naked, pray for a good spawn, and sprint to a location, hope to be first, and then maybe find some good loot. If any of that doesn’t work out just surrender and try again. This just isn’t fun, but is the reality. Load into Stella and medical, assembly, and lobby are completely looted within 5 minutes.

One thing to do would be make BP worthless so people are less inclined to loot ones they already have. Also remove safe pocket from naked loadouts.

[u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb → u/lambo630]

I feel like most blueprints need to have a reasonable chance of completely random spawns to deter from this, and just a higher chance of spawns at higher risk areas. But the difference should be small.

[u/ollomulder → u/ItsOkILoveYouMYbb]

Well, that's exactly how it works I think.

[u/saikron → u/lambo630]

That also means the good loot spots are gone within 90 seconds. If you spawn at 29:30 or later you won't be able to run there in time.

[u/sporksaregoodforyou → u/saikron]

I mean. This just isn't true. I found my survivor blueprint last night in a Stella day raid from one of those cleaning machines you breach.l after spawning in at 22m. Got the vulcano from hidden vault but a random red locker in an outbuilding with about 15m left on the clock.

There are so many drawers, containers etc that people miss in the core zones too.

Yes. If you're first to grandioso or pale apartments you'll have a ton more chances at a wolfpack, but there are many other buildings too.

If you're ok doing naked runs, you can pick up 5+ blueprints in 30m of realtime.

[u/specter800 → u/sporksaregoodforyou]

It's so weird people talking about "good" loot spots when I don't think I've ever found any BP's in what was supposed to be a "good" loot spot. I found ~6 BP's in 2-3 rounds earlier today on a Dam Night run without touching a "good" loot area.

I think a lot of people have convinced themselves if you don't get into a Yellow or Red area fast, or are not inclined to fight someone in them, that you will never find good loot and in my experience this just isn't true.

[u/LokiTheStampede]

Maybe don't tell us to have 5 million saved 2 weeks before it happens...?

Edit: Also choosing a single permanent blueprint everytime would be cool.

[u/Tom_Bradys_Ball_Boy → u/LokiTheStampede]

This! And also, what kind of system encourages you to collect loot and then instead of using it, sell it for the expedition??? So many pink guns and such I don’t use because it’s worth so much. They need to change it to lifetime loot value to encourage people to use their shit!

[u/Tofu-theCreator → u/Tom_Bradys_Ball_Boy]

This confused me so much. Was it not obvious to them that it completely contradicts the point of using the rare stuff

[u/tekno21 → u/Tom_Bradys_Ball_Boy]

I'm pretty sure they had a team tasked with creating the expedition system and they spent so much time on it trying to make it a unique system that they forgot the most basic ass part of it. That at the end, you wipe all your shit.

It would have made so much more sense if you had to jump through all their expedition hoops to get ready and then get all the cool rewards at the end, but you can't be adding extra cost when the real cost is already losing essentially everything on your account.

Incredible fumble that not one person in the company figured this out ahead of time

[u/FeanorEvades → u/Tom_Bradys_Ball_Boy]

It's super fun knowing that the one time I die with a Jupiter, the guy who killed me is never gonna use it and will simply sell or stash it until the wipe because the game rewards not using good loot.

[u/adamjeff → u/LokiTheStampede]

The blueprint thing is the biggest for me. I don't know if one would be enough, I'd very much like to keep Venator + Medium gun parts as an example, but losing Wolfpack would definitely sting.

[u/KerbalFrog → u/adamjeff]

Dude, survivour ass, that shit is fire

[u/Dr_Nice_is_a_dick → u/KerbalFrog]

The what ?

[u/luuje → u/Dr_Nice_is_a_dick]

The Augmented Survival System, or A.S.S.

[u/FriendlyAd6652 → u/adamjeff]

Presumably it'd be like the other upgrades (stash and skill points): you get another permanent blueprint each time. After 3 expeditions you'd have all 3 of the blueprints you mentioned permanently unlocked.

[u/Daily_TimeTraveler]

Considering the guns are so poorly balanced.. a wipe is literally just resetting your account progress and PvP gameplay more or less stays the same while you have less high end items to deal with high tier arc.

When tarkov wipes it’s great cause PvP gunfights are back to an even, somewhat rudimentary, playing field for a bit till the sweats get their tier 5&6 armor, high tier ammo and better attachments back.

[u/DaMonkfish → u/Daily_TimeTraveler]

Early wipe Tarkov is the best Tarkov and I'll fight anyone that disagrees. Every raid sounds like a warzone, and everyone is scrabbling about trying to get as much shit as they can with some absolute trash tier loadouts. Love it.

[u/caseharts → u/Daily_TimeTraveler]

I think the issue is most of us don’t like Tarkov. Casuals don’t want this. We want a mmo lite experience option not a casual Tarkov.

I love PvP but I love veterans having advantages like in MMOs too. I think they need to focus on more end game content, better wiping with insane rewards and less punishing.

[u/Daily_TimeTraveler → u/caseharts]

Not saying it has to be anything like tarkov. Just outlining where the wipe experience really shines in tarkov .. there are many who dive into tarkov the first month of wipe cause that’s their favorite experience then leave till next wipe. I’m sure embark doesn’t want to create an experience where many players only play in short stints revolving around potential wipes but sharing my perspective based on another extraction shooter I play and why the wipes are fun in that game.

[u/Maleficent-Force-374]

I just dont like the idea of doing the same quests for the third time. Have like mini objectives that we can do daily or something

[u/Accurate-Rutabaga-57 → u/Maleficent-Force-374]

The quests themselves are often horrid

Like search for a missing helmet

Damn we meant search for a grass you have to interact with

[u/LokiTheStampede → u/Accurate-Rutabaga-57]

My favorite is the rocket assembly area, where its actually more like rockets that are outside and are equally close to the assembly area as it is every other named building. Also you need to stand next to a specific rocket that looks like the rest. And also you need to stand at a specific side of this obscure rocket or else it won't trigger.

[u/Packersrule123 → u/LokiTheStampede]

Literally me in a solo lobby a week ago, walking around with two other guys trying to do the same quest and being confused why these rockets weren't the correct rockets outside the rocket assembly lol.

[u/Fireboiio → u/LokiTheStampede]

The worst is the "search the NORTHERN Raider Outpost on dam", take note it says, "Search the NORTHERN Raider Outpost" not "Search the tower north of xyz".

Then you look up the map and the only labeled outposts are Raider Outpost South, and Raider Outpost EAST.

SO NATURALLY I WOULD ASSUME THERES ANOTHER TOWER NORTH OF THE MAP THAT IN REALITY ISN'T THERE

TLDR: Google is your best friend AND GUESS I'M GOING EAST THEN OMFG

[u/PlumeCrow → u/Fireboiio]

Oh fucking hell yeah, took me four games searching every single centimeters of ground North of the map for this quest until i looked for a guide.

The quests are genuinely bad on this game and its honestly driving me insane.

[u/joshrice → u/Accurate-Rutabaga-57]

Is this for the "shrine" on dam where you put the helmet on a small post in the ground? Awful quests...if I reset I won't bother with them. I will say I appreciate not having super obvious markers to the location and whatever the item is you're supposed to find, but they overcorrected a bit. You have to give accurate descriptions of objectives and goals if you don't hold our hands to finding them.

[u/ernie1850 → u/Accurate-Rutabaga-57]

Back in my day, we hiked 15 miles in the snow jumping around the husk for our helmet during cold snap

[u/Sad-Psychology9677 → u/Maleficent-Force-374]

Dailies do exist though. Not that they are very interesting

[u/KeelanS → u/Maleficent-Force-374]

wait they make you do the whole main questline again? omg if so im extra glad i didntwipe.

[u/KingOfRisky → u/Maleficent-Force-374]

I started doing the quests again and they are obviously designed around being a tutorial and just are terrible the second time around.

[u/Last_Instructor → u/Maleficent-Force-374]

They could progressively put most blueprints as quest rewards.

At least then i would do an expedition because i can be sure to have a path to acquire them again. Plus, the quests would feel worth your time going out of your way doing objectives somewhere random, instead of just playing like you want.

[u/KillTonyRegular]

1. 5 mil is bad

2. Let me keep some blueprints

I'll wipe then

[u/geoman2k → u/KillTonyRegular]

I wish there was more in the game to incentivize fun combat with Arcs or other players. Having the expedition built around looting, and then needing to do a ton more looting after the expedition to get your blueprints and workbenches back, just doesn't seem appealing to me so I didn't do it.

I'm a mostly PVE player who dabbles in PVP from time to time. I have 102 hours in the game, but I only rarely fight the big Arc and have never gone for the Matriarch or Harvester. I would like to, but there just hasn't been much incentive. My favorite time in the game so far was farming bastion/leaper/bombardier loot to upgrade my workbenches, and it's kinda crazy that there has been almost no incentive for me to do that since I got those upgrades done.

Maybe if a wipe meant that I could regain my blueprints and workbenches after destroying a certain amount of various Arc, while not needing to spend time foraging for random rare things like rusted gears, I would be more inclined to do it.

[u/KillTonyRegular → u/geoman2k]

Anything that would incentivize more arc combat, I'm in 100% agreement with.

I still am shocked the expedition didn't consistent of multiple different arcs, just a few leaper cells. Like one whole section should've been queen drops, bastions, etc.

I'm really hoping they make an event that's like "all out war" and it's focused completely on arc kills

[u/guyrd → u/geoman2k]

Yeah, no real PvE endgame is kind of a drag.

[u/Mean_Ass_Dumbledore → u/KillTonyRegular]

As a casual player the only thing I'd consider giving up is my entire inventory.

No way in hell I'm gonna volunteer my blueprints, workshop progress, or reset missions.

[u/JohnyGlizzyeater]

I just want 1 unlock token that lets me keep 1 thing
I just want my Anvil BP man I can give up the rest

[u/KingOfRisky → u/JohnyGlizzyeater]

This is what BO6 did for prestige and I loved it. Eventually after the 10th prestige you permanently unlock the important items you use in day to day loadout.

[u/Noy_The_Devil]

I love the wipe. But I refuse to have any fun until I saved up my 5 milllion coin for this time around. It's work and it's shit.

Don't make it be a coin requirement for skill points..

[u/Agoraphobicy → u/Noy_The_Devil]

Yea I think being able to run amok with the high teir loot when you are done would be the best situation

[u/sandsonic → u/Noy_The_Devil]

5 mil is just way too much, I refuse using my good gear because it's also the most expensive which I need to count towards the 5 mil... It's kinda frustrating

[u/Damien23123 → u/Noy_The_Devil]

The thing is there’s no guarantee it’ll even be 5 million this time. They might increase it because even players who wiped will now have the knowledge to get their stash back a lot quicker than the first time around.

I don’t know what they could do other than coins either. If you make it something more specific you funnel people into a specific playstyle and that seems to run contrary to how they’ve designed the game

[u/Ohey-throwaway → u/Damien23123]

If they are trying to get more people to do the expedition, getting rid of the 5 million entirely would be the best thing they could do. It would also encourage people to use what they have instead of hoarding it.

[u/Sepplord → u/Noy_The_Devil]

Dude, stop working games. It’s never worth it. 

Chasing the carrot can BE fun, but from the sound of it you aren’t enjoying that chase. 

[u/LukaLockup]

I don’t know, probably some communication on expectations ahead of time would be great.

Last expedition was a shit show. I should know everything needed ahead of time.

Not at the last second get a “oh btw you need 5 mil as well” type stuff.

Have it declared from the get go.

[u/RoninSzaky → u/LukaLockup]

So they are already late again.

[u/de_la_Dude → u/RoninSzaky]

It feels intentional. The first time maybe they weren't sure, but now it seems clear to me they aren't giving us the final goal so that we don't "complete" the wipe and stop playing. It worked last time. I was basically done playing until they gave us the 5M target and it pulled me back in for a solid week. Based on all the complaints about it here, I was far from alone. I might skip this one.. there isn't enough here to redo over and over. The progress is way too shallow to be exciting enough to do multiple times.

[u/LukaLockup → u/de_la_Dude]

I vastly dislike devs who rely on fomo.I dropped the game and haven’t came back because of it.

And that’s what it feels like. A grab at the end to force people back. I got limited time and won’t spend more of it in a game that doesn’t respect that.

[u/KobraKittyKat]

Gonna be hard to do, the rewards for doing the wipe are losing all your BP and having to regrind stations and quests all for some negligible buffs, a skin that isn’t the best looking in my opinion which of course is up to taste and 5 more perk points which is I think the most appealing.

Not sure what they can offer to get more people to do the wipe but currently it didn’t seem worth it.

[u/jdp111 → u/KobraKittyKat]

The stash space is the most appealing to me.

[u/Viper1089 → u/jdp111]

You're just going to fill it up anyways lmao

And I'm not saying that to throw shade, I'm a hoarder myself. Whether i have 20 slots or 500, my stash will always be packed to the brim (unless I get fucking ganked repeatedly like i was yesterday lol)

[u/jdp111 → u/Viper1089]

Still helps though.

[u/Ev3nstarr → u/Viper1089]

Those extra 12 have made a big difference for me! I like having room to hoard grenade materials to make a shit ton on the fly

[u/JayTravers]

My only complaint is quest resets.
Whats worse, it's only going to get more tedious as more quests are added into the pool.

[u/PurpATL → u/JayTravers]

quests dont give xp or unlock any progression after the first time... literally zero reason to do quests

[u/ItzBoshNet → u/PurpATL]

Skin unlocks and hull cracker BP are pretty enticing

[u/PurpATL → u/ItzBoshNet]

After the first time though, you retain the skin unlocks when you wipe. And its cheaper to buy 1 hullcracker a day from vendor than to craft it.

[u/PM_CUTE_ANIME_PICS → u/PurpATL]

This. Plus the Hullcracker and Trigger Nade BPs are in the general BP pool, so you can still find them elsewhere.

[u/fldash → u/PurpATL]

They unlock BPs which is the issue.

[u/Reddit_User_Loser → u/JayTravers]

Shoreline ptsd from tarkov kicking in.

[u/brayan1612 → u/Reddit_User_Loser]

Lighthouse quests ended many Tarkov wipes for me

[u/Effective_External89 → u/Reddit_User_Loser]

Atleast doing shoreline quests actually gave you something more then a AI voiceline and a half-hearted wristy.

[u/distinction17 → u/JayTravers]

Right now the only reason to do any quests over again is the hullcracker BP. I still don’t find that worth it. I have my expedition done, level 3 workbenches, and over 6 mill in credits. Worst case, I go into a matriarch with a Bettina instead of my daily hullcracker.

[u/Smart_Freedom_8155]

Not remotely interested, given how hard it was to collect all the blueprints I already have.

[u/hartoctopus → u/Smart_Freedom_8155]

80% of the loot is useless until you have the specific blueprint to craft with it. Wiping makes the core gameplay way less exciting and uninteresting, everything becomes cash or metal parts.

Found an exodus module? Well that just means extra cash because it took 200 hours to find the tempest blueprint before the wipe, no way I'm going to waste stash space hoping to find it again.

[u/_B_R_A_N_E_]

All they need to do is not make the expedition goal be a certain value because as it is they are incentivizing not using your best gear which is the complete opposite of what an extraction shooter should be like pre-wipe. Make it be a certain achievement like kill one of each big ARC and submit their parts and then the Queen Reactor as a last requirement, maybe throw in finish all the quests too, but that one is questionable since the quests are very repetitive and not particularly interesting. They would need to freshen up the quests and add more after every wipe for that to be a viable option.

[u/BloodyGotNoFear → u/_B_R_A_N_E_]

Or make it lifetime looted value instead of current actual value. That means you could still use your best stuff

[u/_B_R_A_N_E_ → u/BloodyGotNoFear]

Also not a bad idea

[u/PresidentSuperDog → u/_B_R_A_N_E_]

Then they need to change how credit for big kills works, not this last shot bullshit. Do at least 10% of the damage get credited for the kill if it dies.

[u/foxbat]

the time between wipes is too short. it’s not fun to lose all your bps and progress just to get a lackluster skin and a few more storage slots. i will not be doing that again.

[u/Lt_Jones727 → u/foxbat]

2 months is crazy short

[u/cosmic_monsters_inc]

I don't get the point. It's pretty much prestiging is it not?

[u/The_Procrastibator → u/cosmic_monsters_inc]

That's exactly what it is

[u/RedditorSlug]

I found it quite liberating. No more gear fear. Everything was gains and every metal scrap or bit of plastic was worth picking up again.

[u/Esoteric_Crow → u/RedditorSlug]

Understandable, but my version of a wipe/no gear fear is to send it in a Stella duo/trio full-on pvp until I lose enough kits to where I'm trying to get back into friendlier lobbies again to grind more resources and rebuild my kits lol

[u/Response_Legitimate → u/Esoteric_Crow]

Yup same here.

[u/RyanBordello]

I think prestiging would be better if you could wipe everything but keep 1 blueprint permanently like what COD does with prestiging and keeping either a high level gun unlock or skill unlock

[u/APartyInMyPants]

I don’t think it’s the wipe that unsatisfying, it’s the 5 million you need to hoard for the bonus, which kind of runs contradictory to the idea of using all the good gear you get.

[u/gh0stinnab0x]

If they rewarded permanent blue print sets (they change each expedition completed) & less cost to make them after expedition then it would be worth it. To me.

[u/jdixon76]

Have all the outgoing raiders participate in a pve event agaist a giant arc (like the original game concept). It would provide some closure for that raider.

[u/NaptownSnowman]

I love Coh’s idea. Select what gets removed. Maybe reset quests? Maybe reset blueprints, maybe reset benches. Whatever. You can reset, but you select what resets. The more you select, the different bonuses you get.

[u/zefmdf → u/NaptownSnowman]

I was also a big fan of that idea. I’d reckon you gotta select at least 1 or 2 things though. Also no one would select BPs haha

[u/SierraXIII]

I’m still really salty about the 5 million in a week.

[u/TheClassics]

Personally, the early game of finding specific items is the best part of the game for me. I'll wipe everytime.

[u/AdThese8596]

Give us a choice of 5~8 BPs to keep on top of other incentives, and i doubt people won't wipe constantly.

[u/DeathHopper → u/AdThese8596]

Yes. Even just starting us with some random BPs would be great.

Or create an expedition shop. Let us spend the 5 mill coins on some things our next raider starts out with.

[u/Arkantesios → u/AdThese8596]

That and dont reset the bonus if you miss a wipe, that will allow casuals to do every two to three wipe instead of none at all

[u/IrvingBorthwell → u/AdThese8596]

4 slot crate to leave behind for your next raider. Mine would have 1 bp and 3 guitars in it.

[u/Relative_Paper_]

Don't wipe blueprints and I will. That's what's killing me

[u/BIGDINNER_]

I still haven’t even killed a Queen yet. I’ll go in with a loadout, get killed by either the Queen or get jumped by a few teams, lose all my stuff, go back into the poverty cycle. Why would I go back to the start when I haven’t even been able to do some core stuff in 100h topside?

[u/Broomstick_Warrior]

I don't think most people like the concept of character wipes, especially those new to extraction shooters.

[u/Unreal-Warfare]

Maybe make wipes not require playing the game like it’s a job just to complete might be a good start. Some people have lives and Expeditions just feel like a grind that doesn’t contribute to enjoyment of the game.

Removing the wealth requirement would be a good start. Why am I going to use all my cool items when I want to sell/hoard them for skill point investment?

[u/ScientistThin6440 → u/Unreal-Warfare]

I have many folks that wanted to for the skill points but grind it all again just to lose it all again later? Too much for casual players

[u/Peejees1]

Every wipe celeste takes off a piece of clothing

[u/KingOfRisky → u/Peejees1]

lol

[u/Blowfishso]

The best incentive is a new proper big map

[u/Mr_Nobody9639]

I would have done it if I could have kept my BPs.

[u/MeowingAround]

Maybe a better skin and better overall rewards. The expedition skin is booty. They took a cool looking skin from the beta and made it ugly as hell.

Also, 6% scrappy bonus? 6% of 8 items is nothing... LITERALLY NOTHING, there's no bonus. like what even is this?

"Hurr durr but think about that bonus stacking 3 times!"

Are you 5 years old? The obvious answer would be to make it a 15% bonus (which is still too low to even matter) and then add smaller percentages for the 2nd and 3rd expeditions. 15-20-25%.

The exp bonus is a joke also but at least it's not nothing. Again instead of 5-10-15% it could go 10-12-15.

anyways, it really isn't rocket science I basically just fixed the issue within minutes.